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Online surveillance critics siding with child porn: Toews

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posted on Feb, 14 2012 @ 12:42 PM
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Originally posted by boncho
"He can either stand with us or with the child pornographers,"


"Only a sith deals in absolutes"
funny that's an absolute statement too.. oh well.

This is sick. I've been trying to savor the relatively private internet while I still can. Thanks for sharing OP




posted on Feb, 14 2012 @ 01:29 PM
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I noticed that those who cry wolf are often themselves wolves in sheeps clothing. They cry wolf as to draw attention from them selves. Don't get me wrong I'm not accusing him of being a pedophile. But, why bring that up? Isn't the whole thing concocted to catch "terrorists"? Sounds like a way to endorce the whole ugly monotoring thind by putting everybody in the same basket. What's next, arresting people because they like action movies there for they will kill with out question? "Be with us or chid pornographer" is a moronic satement made by a moronic man. How can he ever be taken seriously after a statement like that?



posted on Feb, 14 2012 @ 01:34 PM
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Outrageous. So when do they promise to eradicate child porn from the world? Wonder if certain religious groups will be immune to this....



posted on Feb, 14 2012 @ 01:36 PM
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You're with us, or you're against us! You're a patriot of your country, or you're a terroris-ahem-Child pornographer!



posted on Feb, 14 2012 @ 01:38 PM
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Originally posted by 1littlewolf
Because of course they'll only use these powers to snoop on child pornographers......


The funny thing is (well it isn't really funny) that they will likely deliberately leave a majority of child pronographers alone, simply so that they can continue to say child porn is everywhere and the problem is growing.

On the other hand, when corporations tell them to, they can instantly shut down piracy websites.

Why can't they do that with child porn sites? Well, they can, but it wouldn't benefit them as much as allowing them to remain operational.



posted on Feb, 14 2012 @ 02:22 PM
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I'm sure a portion of the reasoning is to shut down music sharing but I still think the main reason is to control people.
Just recently I was on a very anti-religious website. There were two people claiming to be government employees. One claimed to do internet surveillance. Of course they could have been lying but based on past experience with this group, I don’t doubt who they were.
It’s all out there on a public website and no one seems to care. I would link to it but I would rather have them keep posting.



posted on Feb, 14 2012 @ 02:39 PM
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I guest anytime they want to restrict internet prvacy and freedoms all they have to do is play the paedofile card on people. Pedophiles are dangerous but that isn't a magic trump card in favor of china-style internet censorship.


Ministry of truth just failed.



posted on Feb, 14 2012 @ 02:56 PM
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And your opinion is right on this one. This is just another in a long line of examples of how our leaders do not have our best interests at heart. I support Annonymous 100% in what they do because they bring down the people that need to be. They'll tell you up front what they're going to do and when they're going to do it. And by God....They DO it. They do what the people in charge SHOULD do, but either can't or wont.

Not to make light of the situation, I think child porn and abuse are the worst crimes on the planet and the perpetraters need to lined up and shot, but if you're going to pull my pants down at least have the common courtesy to tell me WHY. Don't do it under the pretense of one reason then do something else.

I don't like surprises like that and neither does anyone else.




posted on Feb, 14 2012 @ 04:08 PM
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Originally posted by dl2oneThe2nd
Outrageous. So when do they promise to eradicate child porn from the world? Wonder if certain religious groups will be immune to this....


There was one point where critics of the Catholic Church suggested that the Church be held to RICO Statute laws, which are used on people from all over the world who operate criminal organizations.

There were active members in the Church, conspiring to cover up a known crime. In my opinion, that seems like a criminal organization. Why not prosecute?



posted on Feb, 14 2012 @ 04:51 PM
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So who is to say that if this passes that they don't assign people to go through each and every one of us - they might as well as if they can look at anyone they want.

Something stinks here in Canada, wonder where we can bury these globalists at?

and another thing, if they are trying to clamp on the internet so badly as of late, I guess their end game getting close to fruition.
edit on 14-2-2012 by MidnightTide because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 14 2012 @ 05:25 PM
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Once they use this to go after child porn then music sharing what next will they allow agencies to use this to go after adult porn.???
Then what will they use it to go after political decent?? anonymous??

Once a government has a power they will abuse it.



posted on Feb, 14 2012 @ 05:36 PM
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If they really want to go after the child pornographers why don't they make the laws state that they are explicitly meant for that purpose.

When police get a warrant to raid a house they have to say what it is they are looking for.

When a law is written in a vague and ambiguous way it is done so on purpose. So they can use it however they see fit and apply it to almost any and all situations.

Lawyers are smart. They go over every word of any new law several times to make sure they understand how it is to be applied. It's never an accident when a new law is created that isn't really defined properly.



posted on Feb, 14 2012 @ 05:36 PM
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If they really want to go against child pornographers, why not bomb the Vatican with nuclear weapons?



posted on Feb, 14 2012 @ 05:38 PM
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Exactly how it went here. Child pornography filter was installed and then everybody started seeing blocked websites. Turns out that a ton of legal sites were blocked. One guy published the list of blocked sites. Those sites didn't contain any illegal material and quite curiously alot of gay porn sites were blocked. His site despite the fact that it had 0 illegal material or links to illegal material was then added to the list.



posted on Feb, 14 2012 @ 05:38 PM
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wonder where we can bury these globalists at?


I suggest the time capsule under the Georgia guidestones.



posted on Feb, 14 2012 @ 05:45 PM
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the most depressing thing about this is the sheer number of people that will fall for such flawed logic - "you're either with us or you're against us." hopefully Canadians see through this depraved act of manipulation and fight this thing. it's so obvious to us here on this forum, but i can't tell with the public at large any more.



posted on Feb, 14 2012 @ 05:51 PM
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The funny thing is NAMBLA is run by the same people that make laws like this. Just look at UN's inlvolvement around the world. Usually right after the UN shows up, the child trafficking starts. Just look up Dyncorp and you'll see.



posted on Feb, 14 2012 @ 06:22 PM
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Well, looks like I'm an endorser of child pornography then.

This is such a sick and twisted way to get us to let them do what they want. When all else fails, use the children. Manipulate the people by thinking it's "for the children".



posted on Feb, 14 2012 @ 06:35 PM
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Originally posted by Daughter2


Don't forget we could also pretty much end 90% of child abuse if we just allowed authorities to put camera in our homes.

I actually had a conversation online with what appeared to be on of these child abuse investigators. They actually said THEY wouldn't mind having a camera put into their homes because they have nothing to hide.
These same "investigators" had no problem using their position to find out the names of people who EVEN disagreed with them. They even called same of the posters employers.


You put cameras in home and the sick people will just find some place else to abuse children.



posted on Feb, 14 2012 @ 09:34 PM
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By "child pornographers".. he means those convicted of same, and has rock solid evidence of egregious violations... right?.. lol, yea, sure.. some guy expresses opinion, gee whiz..

Dumb comments like this must resonate with sufficient masses, still..

Most everything on corporate TV is FAKE.. not reality, to be ignored.. laughed at.. money and TV are definitely two powerful tools unfortunately used for the nefarious..




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