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Why not forgive everyone?

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posted on Feb, 13 2012 @ 08:26 PM
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Not everyone deserves forgivness. But it is important to try.




posted on Feb, 13 2012 @ 08:28 PM
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posted on Feb, 13 2012 @ 08:33 PM
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Originally posted by theconspirator
Not everyone deserves forgivness. But it is important to try.

Do you deserve forgiveness?
How bad are the things you have done?
Are you the judge?

What set of rules judge your assertion that "not everyone deserves forgiveness"?

Please tell us the rules for life!



posted on Feb, 13 2012 @ 08:38 PM
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You would think.... but that's why YOU spout stuff you don't truly understand.
How many kids do you have? I have three. One of which died.


I never asked you how many kids you have and nor is it any of your business how many I have.
Read the title of the OP



I have been financially ruined, spiritually ruined, and ruined in any other way you could possibly imagine.


I can see that!




You are on the right track.... 20 years of being a self-absorbed a$$hole will get you here, we are making our name cards for the next meeting... how do you spell your name?

Stupid Punk!


I couldn't care less about your personal opinion about me



posted on Feb, 13 2012 @ 11:18 PM
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Just reacting on first impression to the title haven't read the OP yet

Why not forgive everyone? (with an emphasis on the "not")

because we're afraid that joke will be on us if we refuse to do so, and it's secretly the great mirth and humor it might evoke in us if we did so, turning us into some sort of sacraficial madman cackling from the corner of a looney bin wearing a straight jacket, and we were INNOCENT, by comparison!



..will go read the op now, and sigh over the the outrage against the brutality of unforgiving, ruthless and brutal people at the other end of the human spectrum and why we need to absorb even but the smallest amount of their evil, in our increasingly seething hatred, for the very worst of the worst and the scum of the earth, who should all be lined up, in a very very longggg row, and shot in the head, one by one, brb.





posted on Feb, 13 2012 @ 11:29 PM
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Absolute forgiveness, is absolute freedom.

Does that mean you`re then going to immediately want to go out and rob a bank or enage in a life of crime and other debauchery, hardly.

So there`s nothing to worry about then, because until we learn how to forgive, without approving in any way, we won`t get into a position to save this ball of rock and water and life and people and everything. The rage, and everything that separates us all, the whole world over, is because of a LACK of forgiveness.

I realize I`ve ran in another direction to what the OP might have intended, or what others have said ie: those singular villans we all wish did not inhabit the same species with us, and to a degree some of them aren`t really human, more animal, but that aisde, when forgiveness is on the rise, you`ll begin to actually BREATHE in the smell of freedom, and new life in the air, and I don`t just mean the coming of spring, but that THING that seemed to go missing in the world, and it`s there, in forgiveness, for everyone, yes, like love, nothing less will do, for new love to flow into the whole system if you catch my drift.


Then, you get the joke, and it`s at the expense of all evil and `badness` including our own, and then we recognize the true power in it, and what I mean by real freedom. It`s powerful, Jesus understood this issue perfectly and to a t, quite literally, so why not leave it in his hands, since he`s the standard by which all are judged.

`Let vengeance be mine sayeth the Lord`

What a wonderful resolution to the problem of human sin and evil, sets healing in motion as a process at all levels, but like love, it needs to be absolute to be effective.

God please grant us the power to forgive as you forgive us.`

This is a space of love and freedom, where justice is served. Magnificent! There is no permissive framework here, for sin and evil, only an invitation into all good things, while serving as a powerful force of healing in the world. I don`t know, but it works for me, and no I wasn`t any more `bad` than the Prodigal Son and we all have a `poison`or two..



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posted on Feb, 14 2012 @ 07:42 AM
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Would it not be a criminals paradise if all negative actions were "forgiven"?



posted on Feb, 14 2012 @ 08:57 AM
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Originally posted by Ralphy
I was wondering why we all don't forgive everyone that we thought wronged us and everything that has happened to us. It is only us who really suffers by not forgiving even the worst of people in the world. We may think that some people just don't deserve to be forgiven but really that just punishes us. It doesn't make sense to not forgive someone when you really think about it.

The reason why I don't forgive a lot of the time is because I have a hard time unlearning the judgment philosophy that I was taught as a kid.

Why don't you forgive others or at least a certain person in your life?


Wow. I was actually thinking about writing a thread on forgiveness yesterday. I was going to call it, "The Power of Forgiveness".

Forgiveness is a tool that can enhance your quality of life immediately. By your will alone, anything that has held you back and made you feel bad about yourself or made you feel bad about others can be erased and forgotten. The fact that forgiveness exists in the first place is amazing.

What if there was no such thing as forgiveness? We would probably all die. But since there is, we have no reason why we shouldn't be constantly happy and constantly make others happy, and happiness is more valuable than all the gold in the world.

A lot of people's suffering can usually be overcome by either self forgiveness or by forgiving others. Not to mention that on a worldwide scale, forgiveness could solve much conflict and boost the world's economy tremendously. All forgiveness is is a choice.

The reason people have a hard time forgiving, I think is for one, they don't even consider it as an option. And for two, their ego and pride are so prominent that they can't muster up the will to forgive. So even after they realize that forgiveness is an option, they ultimately say to themselves, "I'd rather suffer." And on a worldwide scale, this is what TPTB are saying to themselves and to us.

We're so primitive.



posted on Feb, 14 2012 @ 09:01 AM
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Originally posted by SystemResistor
Would it not be a criminals paradise if all negative actions were "forgiven"?


No. The criminals would still have to live with themselves. They would still have to forgive themselves. Forgiveness isn't always easy, and it's that way for a reason. Being a ex-criminal myself, I know first hand that eventually, you regret the things you've done. The regret can be so strong that you believe you don't deserve to be forgiven and you don't think its right to forgive yourself. But if you forgive yourself, you also naturally make a promise not to do it again. Otherwise, you haven't truly forgiven yourself.



posted on Feb, 14 2012 @ 09:06 AM
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Originally posted by strato
It feels good to hate people.


No it doesn't.



posted on Feb, 14 2012 @ 09:13 AM
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Originally posted by ButtUglyToad
Why forgive anyone? Forgiveness requires one to judge and only feeds the ego.


Why kNot instead learn there's no reason to forgive anyone and from there, Love everyone, including yourself?


"Love is the Light when Filtered thru the Prism of Logic." - Old Toad Proverb

Ribbit


Forgiveness doesn't require someone to judge directly. If someone hurt you then they hurt you not because you judged them, but because you were susceptible to them having that power to hurt you. Their action was interpreted by you, in the moment of its occurrence, to be offensive. There was no time to judge their action in that moment and say, "Alright, now is this an action that is offensive, and am I going to let it get to me or not?". The decision that it is an offensive action is made as a swift reaction based on previous conditioning that prepared you for that reaction. So if you are going to prevent yourself from reacting negatively like a victim, then that takes prior conditioning.

With that said, if you have conditioned yourself to where you see no action towards you is a negative, offensive action, then it is true that you will have no need for forgiveness because there will be nothing to forgive. But, since everybody gets mad about something, forgiveness will always be a handy tool we have at our disposal to bounce back into bliss. And I'm glad I have that tool.



posted on Feb, 14 2012 @ 09:17 AM
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Originally posted by Magnivea
A very close friend of mine was molested by both of her brothers and her father. At 29, she still has night terrors, occasionally wets the bed and is on more medications than I'd care to think about. Should she forgive them? Hate has a place in day to day life.


She absolutely should. If she forgave them, her night terrors would cease, she wouldn't have a need for the medication, and she would stop wetting the bed. Her animosity towards them is what is keeping her clinging to that pain. Forgiveness is what she has to let go of that pain and is the first step to her recovery.

Should she forgive them is not the issue though. The issue is, "CAN she forgive them?" If she can, then she WILL recover. If she can't then she won't. I understand that in her situation, forgiveness would be next to impossible to come by, but if she could do it, if only she could, she would most definitely heal.



posted on Feb, 14 2012 @ 09:19 AM
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Originally posted by ButtUglyToad

Originally posted by SmoKeyHaZe
Maybe..in a perfect world.

If only it were that easy..




The Perfection in Imperfection Paradox states:

That if Imperfection is the end goal, when Imperfection is reached, it's Perfect.


This is an Imperfect Utopia.


Learn the truth and from there, it's easy to Love everyone but no matter how much Love you have, stoopidity can still piss you off, especially if you's a toad.


Ribbit



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Dude, I toadilly understand what you're saying here. There is perfection in imperfection. That's crazy.



posted on Feb, 14 2012 @ 09:32 AM
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I know some people have to go through extreme situations that involve sexuality, humiliation, and/or abuse, but wouldn't suffering from that experience(s) drive one to seek relief from the suffering? Apparently not, but from what I understand, it is not always easy to move forward especially if someone doesn't feel worthy to have any sort of love in their life.

Unfortunately we live in a world where we look at bad people as the nothing more than a monster. Usually the bad people have been victims themselves. Although when we get hurt by others we usually don't care about why someone did what they did but only concern ourselves with how it affects us.

I found that by looking at why people do what they do, it helps to forgive.



posted on Feb, 14 2012 @ 09:35 AM
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Originally posted by Ralphy
I know some people have to go through extreme situations that involve sexuality, humiliation, and/or abuse, but wouldn't suffering from that experience(s) drive one to seek relief from the suffering? Apparently not, but from what I understand, it is not always easy to move forward especially if someone doesn't feel worthy to have any sort of love in their life.

Unfortunately we live in a world where we look at bad people as the nothing more than a monster. Usually the bad people have been victims themselves. Although when we get hurt by others we usually don't care about why someone did what they did but only concern ourselves with how it affects us.

I found that by looking at why people do what they do, it helps to forgive.



Exactly.

Consider that anger and hatred is the result of the inability to forgive. Now consider what motivates people to commit bad actions to the point where they are labeled as bad. When you imagine "a bad guy", isn't he angry and/or hateful. Perhaps they are only bad because they couldn't be forgiving themselves.

So if everyone forgave everyone for everything, would there be any bad people in the world anymore? I say no way.
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posted on Feb, 14 2012 @ 09:44 AM
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If you can't forgive others, forgive yourself.



posted on Feb, 14 2012 @ 09:52 AM
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"Why not forgive everyone?"

What's the point of forgiving those people who will just do it again and again and again? They learn nothing except that they'll be automatically forgiven when they wrong you.

I don't carry grudges. Most my 'enemies' have become good friends or at least, friends as I'm more then willing to let bygones be bygones.



posted on Feb, 14 2012 @ 09:59 AM
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Forgiving does not mean forgetting.
If a snake bit you you would know the snake bites so you would not get too close. It is all about awareness, when you are aware that fire burns, you will not put your hand in it.
It is not going to make the other person better just because you don't forgive. But it will make you a better person if you can.



posted on Feb, 14 2012 @ 09:59 AM
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I agree and I have tried. But with a few people it's the same thing over and over and over again. Sometimes a person is just done with it. So maybe I'll forgive, but I will not forget and I will not let my guard down again. It would be a lot easier to just note that they are selfish by nature and let it go but when it affects your family you have to draw a line.



posted on Feb, 14 2012 @ 10:35 AM
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Because in many cases forgiving means encouraging people to wrong you (AND other people) again.
There are exceptions, of course, so forgiveness is a good thing, but only if it's justified for one reason or another.

People wrongly assume we don't forgive because of our ego...Sure often it's pride/ego and nothing more, but in many cases forgiveness just doesn't make sense. You can't just forgive random people and expect them to magically appreciate that and change themselves for better. Quite the opposite. If people take their actions lightly, they'll become even worse.




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