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posted on Feb, 15 2012 @ 05:39 AM
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Originally posted by Qemyst
I support many things that Nazis did.
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Like what? Pray tell.


Foofighter's


Erno86




posted on Feb, 15 2012 @ 06:52 AM
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Aryan comes from India. Nazis went to India before WW2 to study ancient religous texts like Mahabharata. Aryans are considered the first humans.



posted on Feb, 15 2012 @ 11:21 AM
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Originally posted by Erno86

Originally posted by Qemyst
I support many things that Nazis did.
edit on 14-2-2012 by Qemyst because: (no reason given)



Like what? Pray tell.


Foofighter's


Erno86


Animal rights, implementation of animal conservation, Volkswagen (founded by Nazis), modern rocket science (Wernher Von Braun was a Nazi who became a naturalized American citizen), Adidas footwear/clothing (founded by a Nazi), Puma footwear/clothing (founded by a Nazi), Hugo Boss was also a Nazi.

There's more, but you get the point.

Now, why, when you first read that, did you flame flame flame? As you can see, supporting many things that Nazis did is in no way unpatriotic or bad.

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posted on Feb, 15 2012 @ 11:42 AM
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I'd like to keep somewhat on topic, please. If you want to start a Nazi fanboy club, there are plenty of other sites, like Stormfront, that cater to your interests. Personally I feel the Nazi's were the foulest human beings to ever grace the planet, it's brings real shame to the US military that they should permit this sort of 'Nazi idolatry' in their ranks.

I reject the notion this base name was somehow reflecting on the Sanscrit etymology of the word 'Aryan', as opposed to the Westernized notion (along the White Supremacy lines) of what 'Aryan' means.

The Southern Poverty Law Center has been issuing serious warnings of the rise of extremism in the military ranks;

SPLC Urges Congress to Investigate Extremism in the Military

The Southern Poverty Law Center today urged Congress to investigate growing evidence that racial extremists are infiltrating the U.S. military and take steps to ensure that the armed forces are not inadvertently training future domestic terrorists.


'Killing a Brown' New Evidence of Extremists in the Military


The racist skinhead logged on with exciting news: He'd just enlisted in the United States Army.

"Sieg Heil, I will do us proud," he wrote. It was a June 3 post to AryanWear Forum 14, a neo-Nazi online forum to which "Sobibor's SS," who identified himself as a skinhead living in Plantersville, Ala., had belonged since early 2004. (Sobibor was a Nazi death camp in Poland during World War II).

About a month after he announced his enlistment, Sobibor's SS bragged in another post to Forum 14 that he'd specifically requested and been assigned to MOS, or Military Occupational Specialty, 98D.


There's a great deal more on their site, splcenter.org. I spent nearly 8 years in the military, and had a few encounters with fanatics of this ilk, the scary part is there's nothing in place to check their growth among the ranks and too few people are willing to call them out. It doesn't surprise me that the elite 'killer' units are the ones attracting this sort, it's why extra vigilance is needed to root them out, and not simply dismiss these allegations or try to spin it as some are doing in this topic.



posted on Feb, 15 2012 @ 01:36 PM
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Now Blackmarketeer, you are talking about a whole other ball of wax and I support you on that.

The gang/thug culture and training gangs and thugs to be better gangs and thugs without in any way dealing with identification and impact on society is ABSOLUTELY something that should be addressed.

What you are wanting won't do that. You are focused on the wrong thing.



posted on Feb, 15 2012 @ 01:37 PM
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Originally posted by Blackmarketeer
If you want to start a Nazi fanboy club, there are plenty of other sites, like Stormfront, that cater to your interests.


Whoa now, who said anything about starting a Nazi fanboy club? Just because I support many of the things they did doesn't mean I'm a fan of them. I'm simply a fan of many of their accomplishments. This is far different than being a fan of Nazis. These are the kinds of stretches people need to stop making. "Use of SS flag = Nazi. Use of the name Aryan = Nazi" .. similar to "Supporting Nazi accomplishments means you're a Nazi Fanboy". A couple of posts before yours, a guy seemed to be mad that I said I support many Nazi accomplishments. I would expect -ANYONE- in this day and age to be able to differentiate between support of someones accomplishments and support of someone's ideals, but instead, people make the choice to simply get up in arms. It's a choice.


Originally posted by Blackmarketeer
Personally I feel the Nazi's were the foulest human beings to ever grace the planet, it's brings real shame to the US military that they should permit this sort of 'Nazi idolatry' in their ranks.


Japanese were far worse in WW2. I suppose if you want to personally hate the Nazis more though, that's fine. Using the name Aryan isn't Nazi idolatry. If the name was selected, it more than likely wasn't used to idolize Nazis.


Originally posted by Blackmarketeer
I reject the notion this base name was somehow reflecting on the Sanscrit etymology of the word 'Aryan', as opposed to the Westernized notion (along the White Supremacy lines) of what 'Aryan' means.


It certainly is your right to reject that notion, but it doesn't mean that it truly wasn't the reason they chose the name.


Originally posted by Blackmarketeer
It doesn't surprise me that the elite 'killer' units are the ones attracting this sort, it's why extra vigilance is needed to root them out, and not simply dismiss these allegations or try to spin it as some are doing in this topic.


I don't think there's anything wrong with dismissing the allegations, and similarly, don't think there is anything wrong NOT dismissing them.

As you have probably noticed, MANY people here feel that there's no big deal with the use of the name, or with the SS flag pic. That doesn't mean they are Nazi fanboys, or are idiots, or anything of that nature. It means they simply use a different method of reasoning than others.

People keep saying that because the majority of people in the world hate the Nazis, that the minority is wrong for defending the use of the name Aryan or the use of the SS flag. The only thing wrong that I see is that the majority always think they are in the right.



posted on Feb, 15 2012 @ 03:23 PM
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It's not that I am mad at you per se ---- It's just my signature: Four flame's --- meaning; I'm for ---- Foofighter's --- meaning: What the allied pilot's, during WW 2, coined the word in describing fiery balled UFO'S.

FOO = FIRE Google: Foofighter's ---- Not the band.



posted on Feb, 15 2012 @ 03:33 PM
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Originally posted by Qemyst

Now, why, when you first read that, did you flame flame flame? As you can see, supporting many things that Nazis did is in no way unpatriotic or bad.


Wow really? What are you, a member of the Bush family?
From another thread:

Originally posted by Qemyst

EDIT: And furthermore, your insinuation that I am a "Nazi sympathizer" simply because I felt differently about the topic than you further hastened me to my decision to stop replying. Good day, sir.
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Well, I guess I wasnt too far off. Care to express you moral indignation again? You have no credibility whatsoever anymore.
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posted on Feb, 15 2012 @ 03:39 PM
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Originally posted by Qemyst

Originally posted by aching_knuckles
One question:

Have you EVER used aryan to mean noble in a sentence, as in

"The bald eagle is a majestic and aryan creature."

Even just once in your life? Ive read ALOT of books, talked to ALOT of people, and Ive never heard anyone say that once. I am familiar with another meaning as the peoples of the region, but that is rarely referred to in casual conversation in English.


That doesn't matter. What it comes down to is what something means, if it means anything at all. Because a word isn't commonly used to describe something doesn't mean it can't still mean something in certain cases.


No it matters...what you mean is, it doesnt matter TO YOU. Unfortunately, YOU are not the WORLD, and the WORLD doesnt like it. So unfotunately, unless you are dictator of the world, YOU and YOUR BUDDIES are in the minority.



posted on Feb, 15 2012 @ 06:56 PM
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Originally posted by aching_knuckles
Wow really? What are you, a member of the Bush family?


No. I'm not. If you are somehow trying to imply I was wrong to say that supporting many things the Nazis did IS in fact unpatriotic and un-American, then that would simply be your personal opinion, and in my opinion, a stupid opinion to have. Perhaps I simply didn't understand your satirical humor and you were trying to imply something else. If that's the case, please clarify so I can answer it properly.


Originally posted by aching_knuckles
Care to express you moral indignation again? You have no credibility whatsoever anymore.


If you're referring to my distaste in your discussion from another thread, you said NUMEROUS things that made me want to cease discussion with you, including name calling based solely on your own opinions. Don't act like an a-hole and call people "mindf##ked" because they feel differently about something than you and people might wanna talk with you a bit more. Pretty simple stuff, right? So far, no-one is calling names and acting like an a-hole because I feel differently than they do. If you can continue to remain civil i'll be happy to continue discussing things with you here. I have plenty of credibility though. If you wish to think otherwise, that's your own decision... like how it would be your own decision to find a base named "Aryan" or a Scout Sniper flag offensive.



Originally posted by aching_knuckles
No it matters...what you mean is, it doesnt matter TO YOU.


No, for the sake of all this, it doesn't matter that "Aryan" isn't commonly used in everyday conversation in place of another word. That point is totally irrelevant. What DOES matter is what people think when they hear the word. As I said before, if someone CHOOSES to be reminded of "Nazi" or "white supremacy" when they hear it, that's of their own doing, and is what matters. If someone CHOOSES not to be reminded of "Nazi" or "white supremacy" when they hear it, then that's also of their own doing. It has nothing to do with whether the word is used in every day talk to mean something else.

I'll field my reply like it DOES all matter though: Ok, so if I did mean it didn't matter to just ME, and that my admission of that somehow made your point, I would say that conversely, what YOU mean is that the use of the word "Aryan" DOES matter.... TO YOU.


Originally posted by aching_knuckles
Unfortunately, YOU are not the WORLD,


I thank you for your kind reminder that I am not the WORLD, however this is something I am already well aware of, and have BEEN well aware of for many, many, many years. Just so you don't have to say it again though, i'll write it on my hand as a reminder.


Originally posted by aching_knuckles
...and the WORLD doesnt like it. So unfotunately, unless you are dictator of the world, YOU and YOUR BUDDIES are in the minority.


So, because the WORLD doesn't like something, myself, and others who feel differently than the rest of the world, are wrong? So far on here, i'd say it's been roughly HALF of the posters getting upset over the base named Aryan and the Scout Sniper flag which they are confusing for a Nazi flag, and about HALF feeling totally indifferent and care-free about it. Now, it's true that ATS is not an accurate representation of the WORLD, but are ALL of us who don't find any of this stuff offensive, and who are explaining WHY we don't find any of this offensive, WRONG? Are all of my reasons, and the reasons posted by others as to why we don't find this stuff offensive, incorrect because they oppose the majority?

Cheers
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posted on Feb, 20 2013 @ 09:33 PM
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Sometimes I wonder how can people can be so ignorant.
Sanskrit literature is thousand of years old and it is proved.
don't insult one of ancients cultures by making notorious comments .



posted on Feb, 21 2013 @ 05:10 AM
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STA platoon was in my company when I was in the marines, STA is the Scout Sniper platoon. The SS lightning bolts stand for Scout Sniper, it obviously comes from the Nazi symbol but it doesn't mean they are skinheads. Every hog I know has that symbol tattoo'd on them, even Jewish and Black snipers, everyone one of them. It is just two lightning bolts, the USMC sniper platoons aren't run by neo-nazi skinheads, we weren't infiltrated by Nazi's in WWII, some sniper platoon back in the day thought it was a cool symbol and it caught on.

I am blown away you clowns believe this #, I just enjoy the fact that you need those crazy dudes with SS bolts on them to ensure your ability to sit here and slander them and label them Nazi's without having any experience at all in the infantry, or even the military in general to understand the culture.






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