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19There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:
20And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,
21And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.
22And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
23And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. 24And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
25But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
26And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence...
Originally posted by Klassified
Wasn't "Abraham's bosom" another name for "Paradise"? And didn't Jesus tell the thief: "This day you shall be with me in "Paradise"?
Was paradise heaven? Or was paradise something else altogether? Such as Abraham's bosom inside the earth, across a gulf from hell. And was Jesus telling the thief his body would be in paradise? Or just his soul?
Which leads me to the next question. Are you saying God could not torment a mans soul in hell just as easily as he could his body? And comfort Lazarus soul just as easily as he could his body?
And couldn't Jesus have just as easily used the truth inside of a parable to illustrate a point?
Please note that I am no longer a christian. But I was a fundamentalist for many years. I'm just hitting you with questions a fundamentalist might ask because I'm interested in how well you've thought this out.
I do believe Paradise and Heaven are one-in-the same. I believe when Jesus told the thief he would be with Jesus in Paradise, he meant his soul, not his body.
It's often said that "god" created everything, in which case he created "hell" and the "devil".. so if he/she is all loving, why would he do that to punish people? Because he demands loyalty and if he doesn't get it, you go to the firery furnace! Doesn't sound all that loving to me.
Originally posted by Magnificient
reply to post by Iason321
The bible states rather clearly that hell is reserved for the devil and his demons. No man can go there. If god can squeeze anybody else in, I sincerely hope that it's people who teach about how evil he is by creating something failable and then punishing it for failing. I call bull# on that.
Originally posted by Iason321
This is the truth about Hell, coming from a Christian. The truth is..... Hell does NOT exist. Atleast not as we commonly envision it. When most people hear of the word Hell, they think of an eternal place of fiery torment. The truth is, no such place exists. The word Hell is a translation of Sheol, Hades, and sometimes Gehenna (in the NT). Hell, otherwise known as Sheol, or Hades, also translated from Gehenna in the NT, is the grave, death, non existence, and oblivion. What atheists commonly believe happens in death, is what actually happens to them when they are sent to Hell. Hell is eternal separation from God. The bible is very clear that the punishment for sin is DEATH, not eternal life in a fiery place. People do not believe in Jesus so we can escape hell and live eternally, no, we believe in Jesus so that we will not PERISH, but have eternal life.
I can give more examples and answer specific questions, but we need to start spreading the truth. A lot of people don't believe in Christ because they can't stomach the idea of people burning eternally in Hell. No one is burning eternally! Satan (evil) DOES exist, but he doesn't "dwell" in a fiery pit, he lives right here, on Earth.
This may shock some fundamentalist Christians, but please have an open mind and do some research on this. If you seek the truth, you will find it!
Look into Carlton Pearsons story. Also, www.helltruth.com ... , is a very good starting reference point. There are countless other websites and topics online discussing this matter as well. God bless you all!