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the 4th amendment does not apply to the individual
If a person pointed a gun at you and did not shoot would you perceive that action as a threat?
we know they are coached, from very early on in the process. and, truth be told, i have yet to read an accurate and truthful police report. (and i've read many)
I do and I reject the premise because its based on the mindset of the officer covering up an unlawful act by killing the person. Reverse the positions where this guy killed the officer. Is he trying to cover up an unlawful act by killing the officer?
With the officer being dead we only have one side of the story and not the counter-story.
Weren't you the one who stated you have read police reports and that they are all wrong / lies?
Because all police are bad? because all illegal immigrants are bad?
Originally posted by Kryties
(Need I remind people of the thread started by a certain mod here on ATS who is a cop who tried to blame police actions on the general public? Here it is.....
Originally posted by semperfortis
Why taze granny? Why gas granny? YOU...... That's right I said it, YOU.
The gradual change I have referenced is of course the sue happy people of this once great nation. The police can't physically assert their authority, can never build a reputation because the moment they lay hands on any one of you, you will sue them; and the liberal courts, or liberal jurisdictions will award them money and at the very least they lose their jobs or even worse, their homes and other possessions.
Yet they are still required by YOU to enforce the laws of their particular jurisdiction or again lose their jobs. What a funny little society we have that requires miracles from our police.
See the ridiculous excuses LEO's use? Nothing is ever their fault, it is the fault of the general public.)edit on 15/2/2012 by Kryties because: (no reason given)
You don't perceive any of those actions as a potential threat towards the officer, his children or the community?
Again a Constitutional question - Please show me where in the Constitution it says you have a right to privacy. The fact is it does not, and only came around as a result of case law.
I agree rulings can be flawed and thats when the people should participate ain government and work to have it changed.
The 4th amendment applies to the government, not the individual.
Case law is what allows a person to challeneg law enforcement actions using the 4th amendment.
Originally posted by getreadyalready
Originally posted by bigyin
All deal with similar situations without resorting to shooting people dead.
These trigger happy Policemen are incompetant imo.
Really? They see similar situations? Large, volatile men, at 4 a.m., in abandoned parking lots, with children in their care, and a split second to make a decision? I don't think so.
Sure, they deal with angry people, I get death threats daily in my job. Hell, when I used manage a retail store, I often had physical confrontations with idiots, and the police were at least 10 minutes away at most times.
BUT, a police officer is specifically paid to do a specific job. They are issued a gun for a reason. Nurses, Teachers, and Social Workers usually stay at a safe distance until the police arrive. Fire Fighters and Ambulances often have to wait for police escorts. A police officer works out on an island, and as you can tell, they are not respected for their work, so they are facing life and death every day, and they want to go home at the end of the day just like anyone else. Nobody wants to die at work, and I don't believe anyone wants to kill someone at work either.
These threads get pretty ridiculous sometimes.
Originally posted by Apollumi
reply to post by getreadyalready
Really? Be careful when you get into your weapon every morning. On the one hand I'm happy forum moderators seem to be taking a more active roll. On the other hand, people are tired of this kind of thing. Along with all of the other "It's all ok, trust us, while we rob, rape, kill" insanity coming from our authoritative government employees.