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When did you come to the conclusion Hope/Love doesn't exist?

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posted on Feb, 13 2012 @ 01:57 PM
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It was when I learned to calculate people's action/reactions based on primal instinct data. There is no hope or love and there will never be..

If you're a natural Omega-beta male or female your chances of an enjoyable life are 1%. That 1% is based on basic pleasures such as eating favorite foods or using an escort because you can't have normal intercourse thanks to your low status existence.

If you're Omega-beta or simply a lowly worthless Omega entity there is no reason to existence unless your accept reality. By accepting reality you can be free to be as cold, heartless and kind as you like. An Omega's existence can only have purpose when they are free from society. For a world that doesn't love you one must not have any restrictions.




posted on Feb, 13 2012 @ 02:00 PM
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happyness does not come with living for the flesh...

Keep searching my friend




posted on Feb, 13 2012 @ 02:00 PM
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You're afraid. I understand.



posted on Feb, 13 2012 @ 02:01 PM
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Soooooooooooooo...You are one of these Omegas?
Explains most of your threads already.
How much is the price of a good rogering these days?
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posted on Feb, 13 2012 @ 02:02 PM
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There is no hope or love and there will never be..


I feel sad for you, I really do. Someone close to you must have really twisted your heart and mind up for you to become to jaded as to post what you did.

There is always hope. There is always love, you just might need to take your blinders off to see it.

I disagree with your entire post.




When did you come to the conclusion Hope/Love doesn't exist?


I didn't. I have hope, and I have love.



posted on Feb, 13 2012 @ 02:04 PM
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I agree with ya OPer, I made the transition (started the transition) 12 years ago. You are correct, love/hope/etc these are chemical reactions in a brain. Not something tangible, that one can wrap themselves up in.

How do I cope? I spend my time trying to understand the various "rituals" that are used in manipulation of emotions. Dating, dancing, kissing. These things facinate me, how does exchaging saliva mean that I "love" something? When I eat a sucker, I make a similar face/muscle movements. But I do not "love" the sucker...

Meh, 12 years ago is when reality finally set in.



posted on Feb, 13 2012 @ 02:05 PM
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You used science to measure love and hope?

No wonder you didn't succeed.



posted on Feb, 13 2012 @ 02:07 PM
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Originally posted by Alyssa
It was when I learned to calculate people's action/reactions based on primal instinct data. There is no hope or love and there will never be..

If you're a natural Omega-beta male or female your chances of an enjoyable life are 1%. That 1% is based on basic pleasures such as eating favorite foods or using an escort because you can't have normal intercourse thanks to your low status existence.

If you're Omega-beta or simply a lowly worthless Omega entity there is no reason to existence unless your accept reality. By accepting reality you can be free to be as cold, heartless and kind as you like. An Omega's existence can only have purpose when they are free from society. For a world that doesn't love you one must not have any restrictions.


Your post's title really caught my eye, simply because I've always wondered the same thing, questioning myself when did I give up all of this. Well, for me, it was when I realized feeling such as love and hope were created, yes, i think they were invented to help control the masses with the iluusionary thinking that even though your life sucks and you're not happy, well, "maybe one day I'll find my true love and then be happy, and even if I know the chances for this to actually happen are really low, I can never give up hoping it will, eventually".

Overall it was a bliss to read from someone else that feels like me, honestly I thought I was alone in this.



posted on Feb, 13 2012 @ 02:10 PM
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Oh yeah, OPer! Be prepared for an onslaught!

The general consensus is that love is a magical force. And you will be assaulted, as you already have been, for not following the status quo. No worries, like the poster that feels "sad for you", or thinks you are so low that you need to be reminded of how low you are...

Those kind of assults, love makes people do funny things (for not being "real") I know it is just a chemical reaction in a brain, apparently I do not have the required chemicals (or brain, ha!) Therefore, love does not exist. (Since I define existance on what I can experience.)

However, all emotions work this way so I should be able to remove them all!



posted on Feb, 13 2012 @ 02:10 PM
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i feel sorry for you, hope and kindness arent just chemical reactions in our brains, they're real and powerful forces. think about it like this, theres obviously evil in the world so there must be good. its because of your train of thought that society will collapse into itself, without the "hope" for goodness in humanity, we'll never find it. this all ties into the idea of The Law of Attraction, basically the universe gives you what you put into it. karma's a bitch.



posted on Feb, 13 2012 @ 02:12 PM
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So true, but let them be theyll come around one day or another keep hope alive
Peace and much LOVE to you all



posted on Feb, 13 2012 @ 02:13 PM
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You assume that physical pleasures are the ones worth living for. They are, but only for the child. With age comes experience, with experience comes wisdom, with wisdom comes understanding, with understanding, comes the next level of pleasure: the mental, the psycological, the feeling that you matter outwards, instead of inwards.

Do i detect youth?



posted on Feb, 13 2012 @ 02:15 PM
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Well, for me, it was when I realized feeling such as love and hope were created, yes, i think they were invented to help control the masses with the iluusionary thinking that even though your life sucks and you're not happy, well, "maybe one day I'll find my true love and then be happy, and even if I know the chances for this to actually happen are really low, I can never give up hoping it will, eventually".


Created to control the masses? One of the most fundamental aspects of humanity was created to control the masses. The hope that you survive childbirth or had enough food to keep your family alive during the winter months created to control the masses? The hope that tomorrow may be sunny because you are fed up with rain is created to control the masses? The love you feel as you see your newborn irrelevant,inconsequential & illusionary?

Some people are right off their tiny tits.



posted on Feb, 13 2012 @ 02:16 PM
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Sorry, never came to that conclusion, for that is not a true statement. At least not in my life thankfully. Sorry that it seems to be true for you.



posted on Feb, 13 2012 @ 02:25 PM
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So c'mon my dear, who hurt you so?



posted on Feb, 13 2012 @ 02:30 PM
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I knew love was a fallacy, hope a mere catchword for the masses.

All that mattered was myself, my desires, my urges.

Then I met my husband. That was hope.

A year later I held my son. That was love.

And it's been a wonderful adventure ever since...



posted on Feb, 13 2012 @ 02:34 PM
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A few years ago I spose, when I realised feeling's cant be shown/felt only translated into actions and words and even then thoughs actionswords are sometimes not normaly understood with the initial feeling (love/hope) we where trying to convey to them.

Alphas
Betas
Omega

Are labels that all related to sex, power almost materalistic concepts as they stand, yet easy pleasers just as material objects are, like that one toy is to a child. To over come them is a long and hard road especialy in the west when we are bombarded by it everywhere we go pretty much.
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posted on Feb, 13 2012 @ 02:37 PM
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why do I not feel good when I hurt or hate someone that I really don't give a stuff about. Why does it feel good to give someone that I couldn't care less about a smile.
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posted on Feb, 13 2012 @ 02:37 PM
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Originally posted by adigregorio
Oh yeah, OPer! Be prepared for an onslaught!

The general consensus is that love is a magical force. And you will be assaulted, as you already have been, for not following the status quo. No worries, like the poster that feels "sad for you", or thinks you are so low that you need to be reminded of how low you are...

Those kind of assults, love makes people do funny things (for not being "real") I know it is just a chemical reaction in a brain, apparently I do not have the required chemicals (or brain, ha!) Therefore, love does not exist. (Since I define existance on what I can experience.)

However, all emotions work this way so I should be able to remove them all!


Am I to understand that because love and happen are largely viewed, and can perhaps be proven, to be a chemical reaction, they should be entirely discounted?

If you discount all chemical reactions in the brain, what is there left to live for?

Perhaps chemicals are the physical stand-in for something larger, much more important...scientists cannot pretend to know everything, so maybe chemistry is the physical aspect of that which cannot be explained.

Mystery is sometimes more important than the explanation...for the explanation sometimes renders the mystery unnecessary, along with all of its magic. And when that magic doesn't seek to control or enslave the populace...isn't the heartfelt magic the best kind?

And you apparently wish it to be abolished. How saddening.



posted on Feb, 13 2012 @ 02:48 PM
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Originally posted by Starchild23
Am I to understand that because love and happen are largely viewed, and can perhaps be proven, to be a chemical reaction, they should be entirely discounted?

Now I didn't say that! I just said they don't exist, and even went as far to state that they don't exist "for me". Though not in those exact words, I think I typed: I define existance as to what I can experience. (Or something like that.)


Originally posted by Starchild23
If you discount all chemical reactions in the brain, what is there left to live for?

Well, life for one. Since EVERYTHING is going to be a chemical reaction in my brain, living itself is one of those reactions. Or, more likely, a combination of all reacions. So really, you answered your own question. If I discount all the chemical reactions in my brain, I would be dead. However, I am talking of a finite number. Maybe 6 or so, out of billions. Who knows, maybe it will uncloud my logical reactions? (Actually, it does, easier to make up my mind when there is less of it to make up.)


Originally posted by Starchild23
Perhaps chemicals are the physical stand-in for something larger, much more important...scientists cannot pretend to know everything, so maybe chemistry is the physical aspect of that which cannot be explained.

I am open to this train of reasoning. However, going to need some "evidence". (Hopefully more than "feel good" words typed on a site. For example: "The love is within you! You just have to open your heart to it, and it will find you.") That is called BS, and it is pretty stinky to my "real" senses.


Originally posted by Starchild23
Mystery is sometimes more important than the explanation...for the explanation sometimes renders the mystery unnecessary, along with all of its magic. And when that magic doesn't seek to control or enslave the populace...isn't the heartfelt magic the best kind?

Magic is not real. So I would have to say that if you feel magic, then your feeling is also not real. Again, I am open to other opinions. But facts are required, in place of this feel good stuff. Mysteries are only mysterious until the "secret" is revealed. And, let's face it, the "secret" tends to be a let down (Way more often than not.)


Originally posted by Starchild23
And you apparently wish it to be abolished. How saddening.

Ouch! Let's look at what I said:

Originall posted by adigregorio
However, all emotions work this way so I should be able to remove them all!

Notice the pronoun "I", this means I wish to remove them in myself. The loaded phrase "I wish it to be abolished" is suggesting I think others should do it my way. I never said that, in fact I ALWAYS stress the opposite. People should do what they want to do, and leave others out of it. So if I want to get rid of my dependence on emotions, others should allow me to. (See I can use loaded phrases too, it is fun!)



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