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Why do you love Iran?

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posted on Feb, 14 2012 @ 01:00 AM
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reply to post by 31Bravo
 


I'm not extreme left or extreme right. I believe in the ideals of our founding fathers, Thomas Jefferson and Thomas Paine, who said we should ally with NO COUNTRY and trade with all.

I am not pro- or anti-Iran - I just don't think that we should let a few profiteers and chickenhawks guide us into another war that has absolutely no benefit for America.

The dictionary definition for anti-Americanism is a little skewed - many patriots have been against the policies of the Federal Government. That does not make them enemies of the US. However, being a blood traitor against the Constitution, and agitating for war on behalf of a foreign nation could indeed make you a traitor, as well as an oath breaker.

Most of the people in the USA do not want another war, and I will never move away or quit criticizing the boneheaded policies of a few fifth-columnists like yourself. I might suggest that you move away to Israel, because you seem determined to push their tired rhetoric while pretending to be a patriotic citizen of the USA.
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posted on Feb, 14 2012 @ 01:02 AM
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Originally posted by HattoriHanzou

Originally posted by theBigToe
This whole debate comes down to whose been at war with whom and for how long. Just because Iran hasnt declared war does not mean Islam is not at war with the infidel and that governments controlled by theocratic fascists follow the mandates of their religion. Islam mandates that you exterminate the infidel and impose Islam on the world. End of story.


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Well, Christianity mandates world conversion too (specifically the Catholics) and the Jewish scriptures command them to take advantage of Gentiles, and set up a world theocracy with only Noahide Gentiles as the slaves and Jews as the masters. Doesn't mean all Christians, Jews, and Muslims are terminally insane, but some of each group are.

Don't forget that the west invaded the muslim countries, NOT the other way around.


The last time I checked you were free to believe whatever you want in America and Israel. Of course there is going to be a majority religion, that does not mean the country is that religion. These are secular countries and Iran is a fascist theocracy. There is a huge difference.



posted on Feb, 14 2012 @ 01:03 AM
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Originally posted by reeferman
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so what?

Americans do not like Gays..

and will not let them join in a Civil or Religious Ceremony..

you seriously think Iran would?

what your point?


im sure thats why state by state the country is abruptly legalizing gay marriage? Im sure thats why we have hate crimes in place to protect discrimination against homosexuals?

Do you think before you speak?



posted on Feb, 14 2012 @ 01:14 AM
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Originally posted by theBigToe

Originally posted by HattoriHanzou

Originally posted by theBigToe
This whole debate comes down to whose been at war with whom and for how long. Just because Iran hasnt declared war does not mean Islam is not at war with the infidel and that governments controlled by theocratic fascists follow the mandates of their religion. Islam mandates that you exterminate the infidel and impose Islam on the world. End of story.


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Well, Christianity mandates world conversion too (specifically the Catholics) and the Jewish scriptures command them to take advantage of Gentiles, and set up a world theocracy with only Noahide Gentiles as the slaves and Jews as the masters. Doesn't mean all Christians, Jews, and Muslims are terminally insane, but some of each group are.

Don't forget that the west invaded the muslim countries, NOT the other way around.


The last time I checked you were free to believe whatever you want in America and Israel. Of course there is going to be a majority religion, that does not mean the country is that religion. These are secular countries and Iran is a fascist theocracy. There is a huge difference.


Iran is indeed a theocracy, but they are hardly fascist. They are theocratic. Fascist means that the corporations and the state have merged. This is what Mussolini created in Europe.

Anyway, Iran has not invaded anybody. They are not out there with scimitars trying to convert people. They have christians and jews there, who are unmolested and who live their lives the same as the muslims.

The west, at the behest of the fifth columnists from both Rome and Jerusalem, have tried to convince the public that radical Islam is a huge problem, but all the while we support the most radical, theocratic, and brutal Islamic regimes going, like Bahrain, Saudia Arabia, and Yemen. These are nations that have actually attacked America. Chew on that for a minute, will you?
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posted on Feb, 14 2012 @ 01:16 AM
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Originally posted by HattoriHanzou

Originally posted by theBigToe

Originally posted by HattoriHanzou

Originally posted by theBigToe
This whole debate comes down to whose been at war with whom and for how long. Just because Iran hasnt declared war does not mean Islam is not at war with the infidel and that governments controlled by theocratic fascists follow the mandates of their religion. Islam mandates that you exterminate the infidel and impose Islam on the world. End of story.


edit on 14-2-2012 by theBigToe because: (no reason given)


Well, Christianity mandates world conversion too (specifically the Catholics) and the Jewish scriptures command them to take advantage of Gentiles, and set up a world theocracy with only Noahide Gentiles as the slaves and Jews as the masters. Doesn't mean all Christians, Jews, and Muslims are terminally insane, but some of each group are.

Don't forget that the west invaded the muslim countries, NOT the other way around.


The last time I checked you were free to believe whatever you want in America and Israel. Of course there is going to be a majority religion, that does not mean the country is that religion. These are secular countries and Iran is a fascist theocracy. There is a huge difference.


Iran is indeed a theocracy, but they are hardly fascist. They are theocratic. Fascist means that the corporations and the state have merged. This is what Mussolini created in Europe.

Anyway, Iran has not invaded anybody. They are not out there with scimitars trying to convert people. They have christians and jews there, who are unmolested and who live their lives the same as the muslims.

The west, at the behest of the fifth columnists from both Rome and Jerusalem, have tried to convince the west that radical Islam is a huge problem, but all the while we support the most radical, theocratic, and brutal Islamic regimes going, like Bahrain, Saudia Arabia, and Yemen. These are nations that have actually attacked America. Chew on that for a minute, will you?


Yes. They have a small population of various others that if they killed, would cause an international outrage and condemnation from every foreign government. Iran wont do anything until it can, and it cant do anything without an arsenal of nuclear weapons to hide behind.

And yes, Iran is a fascist theocracy. Thank you very much.
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posted on Feb, 14 2012 @ 01:22 AM
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Iran is a theocracy. They are not fascist. Their corporations are not owned and directed by the state. This is the definition of fascism.

Iran's jews and christians are actually not under any threat of any kind. They have christians and jews in military and civilian positions, and they all appear quite loyal to their country.

If you want to talk about a country imprisoning and mistreating minority populations, you should talk about Israel. However, as you have clearly advocated double standards here, I doubt you will. Nor will you see the clear and present danger of a rogue nuclear state that has never let the IAEA inspect their nuclear facilities. I speak of course about Israel.



posted on Feb, 14 2012 @ 01:24 AM
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Originally posted by HattoriHanzou
reply to post by theBigToe
 


Iran is a theocracy. They are not fascist. Their corporations are not owned and directed by the state. This is the definition of fascism.

Iran's jews and christians are actually not under any threat of any kind. They have christians and jews in military and civilian positions, and they all appear quite loyal to their country.

If you want to talk about a country imprisoning and mistreating minority populations, you should talk about Israel. However, as you have clearly advocated double standards here, I doubt you will. Nor will you see the clear and present danger of a rogue nuclear state that has never let the IAEA inspect their nuclear facilities. I speak of course about Israel.


Everything is owned by the state. The Mullahs have absolute power. There is a law in Iran that they can even enter your house and kill your, they could rape your daughter, and still there would be no penalty for their crimes.



posted on Feb, 14 2012 @ 01:25 AM
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Originally posted by HattoriHanzou
reply to post by theBigToe
 


Iran is a theocracy. They are not fascist. Their corporations are not owned and directed by the state. This is the definition of fascism.

Iran's jews and christians are actually not under any threat of any kind. They have christians and jews in military and civilian positions, and they all appear quite loyal to their country.

If you want to talk about a country imprisoning and mistreating minority populations, you should talk about Israel. However, as you have clearly advocated double standards here, I doubt you will. Nor will you see the clear and present danger of a rogue nuclear state that has never let the IAEA inspect their nuclear facilities. I speak of course about Israel.


I truly think you are brainwashed by Irans propaganda.



posted on Feb, 14 2012 @ 01:28 AM
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Originally posted by theBigToe
. There is a law in Iran that they can even enter your house and kill your, they could rape your daughter, and still there would be no penalty for their crimes.

Do you think before you speak.




posted on Feb, 14 2012 @ 01:29 AM
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Originally posted by Tw0Sides

Originally posted by theBigToe
. There is a law in Iran that they can even enter your house and kill your, they could rape your daughter, and still there would be no penalty for their crimes.

Do you think before you speak.



Yeah, go do some research on Iran.



posted on Feb, 14 2012 @ 01:34 AM
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Originally posted by theBigToe

Originally posted by HattoriHanzou
reply to post by theBigToe
 


Iran is a theocracy. They are not fascist. Their corporations are not owned and directed by the state. This is the definition of fascism.

Iran's jews and christians are actually not under any threat of any kind. They have christians and jews in military and civilian positions, and they all appear quite loyal to their country.

If you want to talk about a country imprisoning and mistreating minority populations, you should talk about Israel. However, as you have clearly advocated double standards here, I doubt you will. Nor will you see the clear and present danger of a rogue nuclear state that has never let the IAEA inspect their nuclear facilities. I speak of course about Israel.


Everything is owned by the state. The Mullahs have absolute power. There is a law in Iran that they can even enter your house and kill your, they could rape your daughter, and still there would be no penalty for their crimes.


Where'd you hear about this law? DEBKA or MEMRI?

Their state security service has the right to come into your house and kill you, but remember that Obama has that power too now thanks to the NDAA.



posted on Feb, 14 2012 @ 01:35 AM
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Originally posted by theBigToe

Originally posted by HattoriHanzou
reply to post by theBigToe
 


Iran is a theocracy. They are not fascist. Their corporations are not owned and directed by the state. This is the definition of fascism.

Iran's jews and christians are actually not under any threat of any kind. They have christians and jews in military and civilian positions, and they all appear quite loyal to their country.

If you want to talk about a country imprisoning and mistreating minority populations, you should talk about Israel. However, as you have clearly advocated double standards here, I doubt you will. Nor will you see the clear and present danger of a rogue nuclear state that has never let the IAEA inspect their nuclear facilities. I speak of course about Israel.


I truly think you are brainwashed by Irans propaganda.


You're free to think whatever you like. I simply don't think Iran presents any credible threat against the USA, and does not have that capability at all. Nor is there any evidence that they oppress christians or jews there.

Israel recently tried to get the Iranian jews to come live in Israel, and they got literally NO TAKERS. That tells you something right there.



posted on Feb, 14 2012 @ 01:55 AM
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Originally posted by HattoriHanzou

Originally posted by theBigToe

Originally posted by HattoriHanzou
reply to post by theBigToe
 


Iran is a theocracy. They are not fascist. Their corporations are not owned and directed by the state. This is the definition of fascism.

Iran's jews and christians are actually not under any threat of any kind. They have christians and jews in military and civilian positions, and they all appear quite loyal to their country.

If you want to talk about a country imprisoning and mistreating minority populations, you should talk about Israel. However, as you have clearly advocated double standards here, I doubt you will. Nor will you see the clear and present danger of a rogue nuclear state that has never let the IAEA inspect their nuclear facilities. I speak of course about Israel.


I truly think you are brainwashed by Irans propaganda.


You're free to think whatever you like. I simply don't think Iran presents any credible threat against the USA, and does not have that capability at all. Nor is there any evidence that they oppress christians or jews there.

Israel recently tried to get the Iranian jews to come live in Israel, and they got literally NO TAKERS. That tells you something right there.


There is plenty of evidence...

You need to stop listening to George Galloway and start doing some real research on Iran. Stop listening to what people are saying. Its really become a matter of people just jumping on the popularity train. Its amazing how rhetoric can be beaten into somebodys head so many times that they start repeating it themselves. Isnt that what you truthers always say?

Iran is next to North Korea, the most vile cesspool for criminal thugs in the modern world. I can understand because of the criminal war that was Iraq why people are torn by Iran and any kind of American intervention in the region whatsoever, but you really need to wake up and get things into perspective. America may have overreacted in Iraq's situation, but Iraq caused more problems then you know. Iraq left Iran to grow unchallenged in the region, and even opened up new markets in present day Iraq because of its newly installed Shia leadership. We live in the most dangerous period in Human history. Its not because of America. Its because of small groups of radical fundamentals that have the potential to develop WMD to use against countries they despise for religious reasons. Whatever crimes U.S. politicians are committing imagine the crimes of the Mullahs and then imagine what this world would be like if they were the superpower. Is that what you want to happen? Thats what is going to inevitably happen if you take the isolationist view and let people who make no secret theyre your enemy sit behind closed borders and build up nuclear weapons and utilize terrorist cells to carry them out.

The majority has really bought into Iran's propaganda. They dont even have to do anything. You have all made up your minds already because you actually think the U.S. gov perpetrated 9/11. I mean, Loose Change and all the conspiracy theories have been debunked over and over and over again. They only thrive on the internet because its inconsequential, unspellchecked, unreliable, garbage, fabricated by fat, farting losers reading other inconsequential, unspellchecked, unreliable, garbage. Iran is going to build a bomb, its going to give that bomb to Hezbollah and Hezbollah will do whatever it can to detonate that weapon in a Western city. Then Iran is going to sit back while all of you point fingers at your own government, see if the U.S. then invades Iran, hopefully relying on China/Russia to enter into the conflict and possibly defeat the "zionist regime" once and for all.

If you think it cant happen in the U.S. then I urge you to do a google search for when the CIA uncovered evidence that linked Hezbollah to hiring the Mexican Drug Cartels for information, smuggle routes, etc.

I have no problems with the Iranian civilians. I want them to be free and happy. I am not naive thought and know full well that some pis sed off unarmed civilians in Iran arent going to do anything when confronted with a modern military that has no problem wiping out all opposition to the government. The Iranians need Western support. Civilians may die. They are not intentionally targeted by NATO. Future generations will come to thank that they can live in the kind of country where they wont be executed for holding different opinions then their government. Trust me. I know several Iranians and have never known one of them to think the U.S. is the aggressor. On the contrary, all the Persians I know have nothing but admiration for the Western world and they are not shouting Death to America.

That doesnt mean that Iran's government and its pro-gov supporters dont though.



posted on Feb, 14 2012 @ 02:01 AM
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I think that you've smoked too many doobies wrapped up in MEMRI and DEBKA press releases.

Iran and North Korea mainly keep to themselves. North Korea is actually a lot more of a credible threat than Iran is, but North Korea won't do anything unless they are attacked first, just like Iran.

I refuse to buy into your Hasbara blather about Iran. They just want to be left alone, and I say, great - leave them alone. I am against the idea that the USA has to swoop in and save anybody. If the Iranian people, or the North Koreans for that matter, want a regime change, they will arrange and execute it themselves.

It's ironic that you mention that I have fallen for propaganda, though, because all the propaganda coming from the media is coming from fifth columnists and dual citizens, who want the USA to come into the middle east and destroy another one of their regional neighbors.

America's not going to fall for it. Sorry.



posted on Feb, 14 2012 @ 02:02 AM
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Originally posted by HattoriHanzou
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I think that you've smoked too many doobies wrapped up in MEMRI and DEBKA press releases.

Iran and North Korea mainly keep to themselves. North Korea is actually a lot more of a credible threat than Iran is, but North Korea won't do anything unless they are attacked first, just like Iran.

I refuse to buy into your Hasbara blather about Iran. They just want to be left alone, and I say, great - leave them alone. I am against the idea that the USA has to swoop in and save anybody. If the Iranian people, or the North Koreans for that matter, want a regime change, they will arrange and execute it themselves.

It's ironic that you mention that I have fallen for propaganda, though, because all the propaganda coming from the media is coming from fifth columnists and dual citizens, who want the USA to come into the middle east and destroy another one of their regional neighbors.

America's not going to fall for it. Sorry.


You didnt even read my post before you started spouting off at the mouth again. Go figure.

Thick heads you far leftys have. Its much easier to be lazy and asleep and hide your head in the dirt, I guess.

BTW Your argument isnt really intelligent. Its naive, ignorant, very dangerous, and plain out based on uneducated assumptions.

Night.
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posted on Feb, 14 2012 @ 02:24 AM
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Well said my friend. I wish more people would wake-up and realize the propaganda they shovel to us on a daily basis. You would think after the American people were lied to about Iraq and WMD's a light would go on. Unfortunately, the forces that be and the media have the majority of Americans brainwashed.



posted on Feb, 14 2012 @ 02:25 AM
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Originally posted by WeRpeons
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Well said my friend. I wish more people would wake-up and realize the propaganda they shovel to us on a daily basis. You would think after the American people were lied to about Iraq and WMD's a light would go on. Unfortunately, the forces that be and the media have the majority of Americans brainwashed.



So are you saying that Irans nuclear energy program is a fabrication of the Wests intelligence agencys?

Laugh.



posted on Feb, 14 2012 @ 02:30 AM
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just to address one point, have you ever looked at a globe? Iran is nowhere near north korea, nor do they have any really meaningful ties to them. Both Afghanistan (full of American troops remember?) and China, are between the countries. Obviously your extensive research has not included looking at where both countries are!



posted on Feb, 14 2012 @ 02:33 AM
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Originally posted by theBigToe





If you want to talk about a country imprisoning and mistreating minority populations,Look at the U.S...What percentage of the World's prison population do we have? And what percentage of those are minorities? Lol, way to ignore the facts.



Its amazing how rhetoric can be beaten into somebodys head so many times that they start repeating it themselves.


The majority has really bought into Iran's propaganda.
Look into the mirror...it is you who has bought into the propaganda against Iran, and it is you who is spewing out propaganda.




posted on Feb, 14 2012 @ 02:33 AM
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Originally posted by bonnieprince
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just to address one point, have you ever looked at a globe? Iran is nowhere near north korea, nor do they have any really meaningful ties to them. Both Afghanistan (full of American troops remember?) and China, are between the countries. Obviously your extensive research has not included looking at where both countries are!


lol.... what kind of post is this?



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