posted on Feb, 12 2012 @ 08:28 PM
One of the things I'm starting to get very tired of on this forum, is people who apparently think that its' only purpose, is coercing others into
agreeing with them. The site's slogan is "Deny Ignorance." In case you're confused, that doesn't mean the enforcement of bigoted groupthink; it
actually means the opposite. There are a couple of specific demographics (without naming names) that need particular mention, here.
a} The Cult of Ron Paul.
My main grievance with Ron Paul supporters, is that I never get anything from them but aggressive incoherence, if I or anyone else attempts to suggest
that things with their favourite candidate may not be 100% as they seem.
You do not think. You are simply on a bandwagon, being swept along with the tide, and if anyone dares question it, the only thing you
know how to do, is regurgitate the canned sound bites that you've already been given by someone else, and hope that volume and aggression will
compensate for your complete lack of anything vaguely resembling a rational argument.
I for one would appreciate vastly more intelligent discussion of Ron Paul, if we have to have any at all. If you want to talk about him, tell us
about his policies. Give us coherent, factual, rational information. Don't simply make yet another thread bleating about the media blackout of him.
If CNN/Fox News won't tell people what he thinks, then the best thing you can do for him, is to tell people in a lucid, eloquent manner.
b} Political/economic partisanship, and narrow mindedness on either side.
I have recently started a couple of threads, and have been joined in this by eboyd, with not only an examination of Socialist theory, but with an
attempt at a comparitive analysis of the virtues and failings of both Socialist and Capitalist ideology. This means that I have wanted
intelligent input from both sides. (and to some extent I've had it)
It does not, however, mean that I want belligerent, single-minded, condescending trolling, from either side of the political or economic aisle. My
main thread on this topic is currently being plagued by two aggressive, single-minded trolls, one from the Capitalist side of the fence, and one from
the Socialist. If people want a model of what I consider intelligent input, I offer both ANOK on the Socialist side, and another poster on the
Capitalist side, who gave me an example of how he has been able to successfully run a business, which has actually been a positive benefit to other
I will be honest in saying to the conservative/right wing demographic of this site, that to a large extent, your thinking is very alien to me. I have
taken the Political Compass test intermittently for close to the last ten years, and have consistently been given an identical score to Gandhi. In
other words, I am what you would identify as a Libertarian Socialist. I am not, however, unwilling to learn; which is actually what I've been
attempting to do. If you want to win me over, however, I'm going to need more eloquence and less aggression, ad hominem, and trolling than I've
seen from conservatives here so far.
c} The military.
As a civilian, I have long had a primary rule online. I don't take crap from soldiers. I also don't defer to you, or worship you, which a lot of
you seem to think I should do. I don't mind getting Jack Nicholson's speech from A Few Good Men screamed at me; I have no problem standing
my own ground and screaming just as loudly right back.
I'm going to be brutally honest. I don't support a single damn thing that you are doing, right now. I don't condone Iraq, Afghanistan, or the War
on Terror in general. I believe that the entire thing is a globalist farce to make the corporate world richer, and to justify, in the minds of the
public who don't know better, increasing domestic fascism in the Western world, including giving police the right to unlawfully arrest, torture, and
bash civilians in custody, without question or consequence.
If you don't want to listen to me as a civilian on this topic, go and read Smedley Butler. He ended up one of the most decorated men that the US
Marine Corps has ever had, and he wrote the same thing. Back in the 30s, Wall Street wanted him to lead a military coup of the country. He refused,
and his book on the plutocratic farce of modern war, was his response. You have been conned. You are falling for it yourselves, but what is even
worse, and what I will not stand for, is your level of aggression in insisting that we civilians close our eyes and swallow the same political manure
that you are. I refuse to do it.
I don't think anyone who is participating in the GWOT, is defending anyone's freedom. The truth is, you're actually doing the opposite. Those of
you involved in law enforcement, in reality are traitors to the civilian population at this point; not our protectors. You defend the corporate world
when we protest because we are starving and homeless due to said corporations' excesses, and when you are told to do incredibly courageous and
honourable things like invade Occupy camps in the middle of the night, employ riot ordinance against unarmed civilians, and use siege tactics against
said civilians, you comply; some of you very enthusiastically.
Where is your defense of us from Monsanto's destruction of our food supply? Where are you when the traitors who are filling the sky with chemtrails,
all over the planet, need to be put against a wall and shot? Where were you when Obama, with the NDAA, committed blatant, and utterly undeniable
treason against the Constitution you are sworn to defend? Where are you when Occupy, who are trying to alleviate the homeless problem, as well as end
the corporate threat in general, are bashed, gassed, shot with rubber bullets, and unlawfully arrested by the police?
You are there, but you are on the wrong side of the line. The bottom line here is very simple.
If you are going to behave as the enemy, you can expect to be regarded and treated as such.
We as civilians do not recognise you as our allies, because you are not behaving in that manner. We are trying desperately to defend ourselves from
corporate abuse, to the point of them literally rendering this planet uninhabitable; and you are, to use your own vocabulary, providing aid and
comfort to said corporations, not us.
We need you to stop making excuses for your own people, when they do the wrong thing. If soldiers commit attrocities, such as Lynndie England etc,
the correct response is not to cover it up, but for said personnel to be disciplined accordingly...and publically. We also need you, more than
anything else, to start to correctly identify who the enemy really is; and it is not us. It is the corrupt politicians from whom your
orders are issued.
They are using you as human shields. They will take your blood, your organs, and your minds...literally all you have to give them...and
throw you away when they are finished with you. They will also use you to continue destroying the environment, and to annihilate anyone who tries to
stem their own psychopathic tide. Are there any of you here, with sufficient minds left, that you are able to ask yourselves whether or not this is
If you want our respect, you can have it. But you need to start earning it.