Originally posted by onfire49
reply to post by Alien Abduct
If you can find me whining I'll eat my hat. I'm simply saying I have seen no reasoned explanation on this thread, just mere conjecture. Even the title
is just someones belief. We do not know why she was shot, and we have no evidence that shows this cop was some how brainwashed. I have no family that
are cops, just merely knew some growing up, believe me or not doesnt matter. However, I just speak from my own experience with being pulled over or
interacting with cops. Most times it was great and I have seen nothing that shows brain washing. I for one am glad that the cops will ask people what
they are doing when someone says they are acting suspicious. Id rather have someone get all upset and indignant than somebody rob my house or business
or worse kill me or a family member. unfortunately things like this happen and I feel bad for the family but there is nothing I can see in this story
to support any of the theories here
Well My theory is that the cop was NOT being dragged. Do you need evidence for that? Perhaps as you say "anything that supports any theories presented
I will make a list here below. But first let me make it clear that I am NOT a cop basher/hater. Also, I aim to point out logic, evidence and reason
based on what has been provided.
First the cop....
He claims that the woman disobeyed orders and rolled the window up trapping his arm in the vehicle, then attempted to drive off dragging him with her
as she did so. He feared for his life and was left with no choice but to shoot and kill her to stop her from further endangering his life. He does not
deny that he had fired six rounds into the vehicle (as this is irrefutable).
Possibly what could have happened here was that as he was being dragged his body was fully extended hands over head in a near horizontal position
where as the only angle he could hit her was from the back window (left hand stuck in window right hand shooting the gun) In this case it very well
could have taken six shots before finally hitting her and killing her dead enough for her to be unable to operate the vehicle.
If the same scenario above happened but the hands switched roles (the right hand was stuck and the left hand had fired the weapon) then the bullets
would have come from the driver _
Both of the above scenarios would have the bullet shells strung down the road in the path the cops body was being dragged.
The eye witness...........
The eye witness states that the cop warned the old woman to not drive off else he would shoot her. In the video interview the eye witness positions
his hands in a demonstration of where he witnessed the cops hands to be and stated that both the officers hands were OUTSIDE the vehicle.
The witness claims that the officer did not get dragged by the car and that he fired a shot initially as the car began to move then stepped over a bit
(probably getting into a good firing position for aiming purposes) and fired five more shots as the car drove off.
1. If you look at the photo above you can see that the road lane has a dash marking and a solid lane line visible. Road lanes are typically 12 feet
wide so, using this information as a guide we can see that the bullets are all within about a 10 foot parameter (and not all in a straight line)
A. If the cop was being dragged the bullet shells would undoubtedly be strung out a lot farther than 10 feet.
B. If the cop was being dragged the bullet shells would have been strung out in a more or less straight line down the path he took whilst being
2. The eye witness testimony (which is considered evidence) corroborates with the physical evidence as in the cop stayed in the area and did not get
dragged down the road and fired all six rounds from his general area.
So far I have yet to see any evidence that the cop was being dragged however there IS evidence that he was NOT being dragged.
If indeed the cops arm was trapped in the vehicle and he feared for his life and he shot the woman to stop his life from being endangered further then
I would say that although it is an extreme measure it would be justifiable. But all he needed to do was to break the glass to free his arm and it
doesn't seem like he needed to fire 6 rounds to break the glass.
Think about it. He was firing the rounds not to free his arm but to kill the driver to stop the vehicle...that's the sick part.
All evidence thus far suggests that he was NOT being dragged and so therefore there was NO justification for deadly force.
Maybe other things/evidence will turn up and change my mind but as of right now this is how I see it.
edit on 2/13/2012 by Alien Abduct because: corrections made to the photo upload