Originally posted by smyleegrl
Hello ATS,

I have a question I hope someone can help me with.

Let me start by stating that I've just begun to consider the possibility of reincarnation. I've read a few articles and several ATS threads, but I'm really a novice in the field. Nevertheless, I think I grasp some of the major points (and please correct me if I get it wrong):

• Reincarnation takes place so that the person may reach the ultimate goal of spiritual enlightenment
• Reincarnation is possibly a choice
• Reincarnation is part of the natural order of things

At least, these seem to be the main thrust of the articles I've read so far. I'm sure there are more arguments.

Now my question. If we consider the first statement to be true, then where have all these new souls come from?
I mean, consider the worlds' population. There are more people alive today than ever before. Now, if reincarnation was our opportunity to "get things right," then wouldn't it follow that the population should decline over time as we gain ascendancy?

I hope someone can help answer this question. Thanks ATS!

Reincarnation is our soul's way of creating multiple aspects to have experiences here on Earth. Any angel that wishes ascension or soul evolution has to come by way of Earth. Old soul humans can have thousands of lifetimes under their belts ... it began in Lemuria through Atlantis, and into now, the Cristos era.

There are so many new souls waiting in line, really anxious to get here and experience Earth. The old souls used to have priority to come back in again after physical death.... but now, with the shift in consciousness, the end of duality and a whole new way of living, the new souls are getting priority. They come from our spiritual families, they've never been here before. With the consciousness change, a new expansion was felt throughout creation, these entities are being 'woken up' as we 'wake up'. Now they are coming in like never before.

The question is, now that Gaia is leaving and the population is growing, how will humanity deal with it? Earth can hold up to 10 billion comfortably. What if we go beyond that? Will we find new ways of generating energy? New ways of growing food?

Interesting question. Does become aware of your past life making you to become enlightened? I say yes in some ways to satisfy the Zen notion of Mind (unconscious) transmitting Mind (unconscious). In Zen Buddhism, Enlightenment comes from within your Mind (unconscious). An enlightened being or soul in the past is able to transmit enlightenment to your mind, in the dream. That's one way to satisfy the notion that you can't obtain enlightenment. The only way you can become enlightened is to HAVE BEEN enlightened in some point of your past lives. At least, that was how I experienced it. I have become enlightened (experienced my first Kundalini energy rising when I was 18--currently in my mid 30s) after waking up from a dream. It wasn't just a dream. I was dreaming about maybe the Han Dynasty in China. I was one of the 3 brothers. However, I also have dreams about another part of history (in a more modern time) in another culture. This shows that the "process" isn't linear.

Reincarnation is the result of the karma working in the universe. It is inevitable. Does knowing your past life or lives making you to become enlightened? I can't really say for sure. In my case, maybe. I say MAYBE because it depends on what is your past life or lives. Or perhaps it is even not a linear equation at all?

Greetings,

I would just add, sorry to pick this out, That judging does not require forgiveness, it is forgiveness that requires judging.

Your logic eludes me. Please elaborate.
I've never heard anyone say, please judge me because I forgave you.

Originally posted by GeorgeH
Greetings,

I would just add, sorry to pick this out, That judging does not require forgiveness, it is forgiveness that requires judging.

Your logic eludes me. Please elaborate.
I've never heard anyone say, please judge me because I forgave you.

Sure I'll elaborate because it is based off what you said earliar. Forgiveness means that you are clearing up what you have judged, so forgiveness requires that you judge. However you don't have to forgive. You can judge someone and never forgive them. Therefore judging does not require forgiveness.

logically sound??

Greetings,

Sure I'll elaborate because it is based off what you said earlier. Forgiveness means that you are clearing up what you have judged, so forgiveness requires that you judge. However you don't have to forgive. You can judge someone and never forgive them. Therefore judging does not require forgiveness.

Actually it's not them you have to forgive, it's yourself. It's your false perception. You, who judge, saw your brother as imperfect will at some time choose to see him as whole, perfect and complete. This will come from with in, It's not a choice. It is God seeing God.
It is the judge that has depressed the Divine energy within its self. This energy will have to be liberated at some time so some type of correction has to be made.

You can't fool Mother Nature.

IMO:

There are no individual souls, just energy that relocates. Every one of us has a small piece that goes back to where it came from in the end. We are all the same. It's just the biological and stuff and environment that make us different. There is no "you" after you die. The energy could be reused but it wouldn't really matter.

That or there is no "energy" at all. Either way when we die the most logical answer would be it's THE END. I don't see the need in creating illusions and lies to fool yourself - it's cowardly.

Just think about all the people and animals. Reincarnation does not make sense. There is no soul making machine. Just recycling.

Originally posted by strato
IMO:

There are no individual souls, just energy that relocates. Every one of us has a small piece that goes back to where it came from in the end. We are all the same. It's just the biological and stuff and environment that make us different. There is no "you" after you die. The energy could be reused but it wouldn't really matter.

That or there is no "energy" at all. Either way when we die the most logical answer would be it's THE END. I don't see the need in creating illusions and lies to fool yourself - it's cowardly.

Just think about all the people and animals. Reincarnation does not make sense. There is no soul making machine. Just recycling.

There are no individual souls because all existence and non-existence came from the same source. You are one and many at the same time. Now, what if I tell you that at the moment of your death you have some psychological issues that have never been worked out? You are reborn or reincarnated because of your previous life karma--unresolved thought energy. The only way you don't reborn is to have reached enlightenment in which you have no more thoughts or unresolved thought energy at the moment of your death. According to my own study, you are reborn again or reincarnated if your will to live is strong at the moment of your death. The nature of your karma--good and bad--depends on your moral state of mind during the moment of your death.

Many people believe that reincarnation does not exist or don't believe they have a past life...is because in their past lives they have lived an uneventual existence. They are reborn or reincarnated to live the same uneventual existence over and over again.

Originally posted by andersensrm

Right so "nothing" can't really exist. Therefore there is always "something" there.

Not necessarily. Can't prove 'nothing'. If it is 'something', then find it. 'Something' should be capable of being found..

aah, screw it. Differing opinions. We'll just have to leave it at that.

I have been searching through all my books so I could give you some good titles to read. The main one I was looking for isn't here. I think I loaned it out; can't remember the title. I'll get back to you with it when I get the book back. One good one is "Many Lives, Many Masters" by Brian L. Weiss, M.D. and check out Sylvia Browns titles. She has a lot of info on the afterlife, and reincarnation. I think she will answer most of your questions in her books. Good luck in your quest. It took me 40 years of research to arrive at my current belief system regarding reincarnation.

Yes, life here is like a school. We come back to learn new lessons (life paths) until we "graduate". Then we can continue to come back to help others progress (as teachers), if we choose. Or we can keep moving on to higher planes in different parts of the universe; the choice is ours... free will.