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Originally posted by Kotaro_Fuma
USA WON vietnam...We entered vietnam to stop the spread of comunism, and at the time we withdrew our troops comunism had yet to pass the border. SO...at the time the objective had been done.
posted by JediMaster: “A friend said we won the Vietnam war . . I said we did not . . we got into an argument. I wanted to see other opinions about this war. I do this to prove to him that most agree that we lost. He said the liberal media was brainwashing me in order to [make me] believe we lost. [Edited by Don W]
Originally posted by uuhelpus
The US lost, not because of the military. Politicians ruined any chance of a victory. If we were going to be there in the fist place, we should have leveled the place.
posted by forestlady: posted by uuhelpus: “The US lost because of the Politicians ruined any chance of a victory. we should have leveled the place. END.
Forestlady: I lived through the Vietnam War and have friends who went there to fight . . most importantly they were fighting for their own country and to remain independent from U.S. influence. No matter what we did . . we wouldn't have won . . we outnumbered the Vietnamese [fighting forces] but still we weren't able to defeat them. America’s War College, which is where folks like Colin Powell go to learn about military strategy, spends a lot of time studying Viet Cong tactics because they were successful at beating us . . they were some of the few people that have ever won against the U.S. We were no match for their guerilla tactics. Forestlady [Edited by Don W]
posted by Dave Rabbit: “Hi Don....Well... you are right about one thing.... no one DOES ever mention the OTHER "WARS" when it comes to MIA's.[Edited by Don W]
When I was doing research for the video as an inclusion for the Special Features of the new documentary film by David Zeiger, "Sir! No Sir!" it seemed like almost every site had different numbers. The numbers referred to in my earlier comments were given to me by my research assistants from the Army.
“ . . as you have so nobly pointed out.... a lot of folks have never been mentioned in the same breath and you feel they SHOULD BE. Although I KNOW that you understand..... some seem to forget that both POW and MIA stand for one thing.... Fathers, Mothers, Brothers, Sisters, Sons, Daughters and Loved Ones. That is ONE STATISTIC that cannot be denied.
Great comment..... right on track Don. (Salute) Dave
Linked by Dave Rabbit: “Yet few today know of these history-changing events. Sir! No Sir! will change all that. The film does four things: 1) Brings to life the history of the GI movement through the stories of those who were part of it; 2) Reveals the explosion of defiance that the movement gave birth to with never-before-seen archival material; 3) Explores the profound impact that movement had on the military and the war itself; and 4) The feature, 90 minute version, also tells the story of how and why the GI Movement has been erased from the public memory.
I was part of that movement during the 60’s, and have an intimate connection with it. For two years I worked as a civilian at the Oleo Strut in Killeen, Texas - one of dozens of coffeehouses that were opened near military bases to support the efforts of antiwar soldiers.
I helped organize demonstrations of over 1,000 soldiers against the war and the military; I worked with guys from small towns and urban ghettos who had joined the military and gone to Vietnam out of a deep sense of duty and now risked their lives and futures to end the war; and I helped defend them when they were jailed for their antiwar activities.
My deep connection with the GI movement has given me unprecedented access to those involved, along with a tremendous amount of archival material including photographs, underground papers, local news coverage and personal 8mm footage. Sir! No Sir! reveals how, thirty years later, the poem by Bertolt Brecht that became an anthem of the GI Movement still resonates:
“General, man is very useful.
He can fly and he can kill.
But he has one defect:
He can think.”
Originally posted by st3ve_o
6) wasn't prepared for gorrilla warefare tactics