Thomas Jefferson, A man of the past who may have seen the future, page 3

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This is just one summary that is easily found with a Google search. Note Jefferson ran away like the coward he was rather than defend Virginia.
Both Burr and Hamilton supported freedom for black slaves. They even belonged to the same society in NY dedicated to abolition in the 1790s. Burr even thought Indians should be treated as equals, and Burr was very popular in NY even with this position. Whatever words he spoke, Jefferson never freed a slave. He sold one for money, but he never gave them their freedom.

"Reportedly believing his gubernatorial term had expired in June, Jefferson spent much of the summer with his family at Poplar Forest.[59] The members of the General Assembly had quickly reconvened in June 1781 in Staunton, Virginia across the Blue Ridge Mountains. They voted to reward Jouett with a pair of pistols and a sword, but considered an official inquiry into Jefferson's actions, as they believed he had failed his responsibilities as governor.
"The inquiry ultimately was dropped, yet Jefferson insisted on appearing before the lawmakers in December to respond to charges of mishandling his duties and abandoning leadership at a critical moment. He reported that he had believed it understood that he was leaving office and that he had discussed with other legislators the advantages of Gen. Thomas Nelson, a commander of the state militia, being appointed governor."[59]
(The legislature did appoint Nelson as governor in late June 1781.)
"Jefferson was a controversial figure at this time, heavily criticized for inaction and failure to adequately protect the state in the face of a British invasion. Even on balance, Jefferson had been a very poor state executive, and left his successor, Thomas Nelson, Jr., to pick up the pieces."[61]
He was not re-elected again to office in Virginia.[49]"
en.wikipedia.org...

Note - he was never re-elected to office again in Virginia.

reply to post by Matt1951

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Excuse me, The topic is about the quotes of Thomas Jefferson. What he believed and thought and said. Your posts have nothing at all to do with the topic of this thread. If you wish to tear up Jefferson then do something original and write your own thread. If your opinion of Jefferson is so low, then you have a problem that is not about the topic that is being discussed.

reply to post by lonegurkha

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Sorry if you feel your thread is hijacked. Here is a good summary of Thomas Jefferson and Sally Hemings.
www.monticello.org...

The fact the man would keep his own children as slaves because they were half black says a lot about the false sayings of Thomas Jefferson though. If you are honest with yourself, you have to admit his sayings have no meaning because he did not follow them himself.

Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by lonegurkha

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We need a TJ or a Patrick Henry around these days!

They are all around but thanks to the status quo none will ever rise up to a level enough to be recognized.

Back in 2009 when the TEA party was having their rallies I held one locally in south Mississippi and quoted Thomas Jefferson and Patrick Henry and the local media spun my words to make me look like an extremist.







I'm not the best speaker but I was trying to warn them of what is coming.

reply to post by SWCCFAN

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I wanted to reply to you, because I can see that you sincerely tried to warn folks what is coming. The way people are today, that try as you might, they just don't listen. I myself have tried to warn people about what their lack of vigilance is going to mean.

For many years I was politically active in my area. I contacted representatives only to be ignored. I do have a nice collection of form letters from their staffs though. I tried to talk to the public and tell them that their duty to the Constitution required them to keep these politicians honest and make them keep to the law of the land, only to be branded a radical. Well they are getting what they deserve now. Exactly what I told them was going to happen is happening. Kudos to you for trying. I gave up a while ago. I guess Jefferson would be ashamed of me, but today I look out for myself and friends (I have no family) and leave the rest on their own. You are a good person for trying. I'm afraid that you will be disappointed in the results.

I believe that some one once said that people get the government that they deserve. I agree with Jefferson that big centralized government is nothing but trouble. It's striking to me that his quotes show that this kind of government can lead to what we have going on here today. Trurhfully that is the whole reason that I posted this thread. He was visionary.
In that he completely understood where big government would lead.
Please check my signature there is a quote there that is very pertinate.

reply to post by lonegurkha

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Exactly what I'm saying! 15 of our first 16 presidents spoke of the same things, liberty, truth, and the power of the people to fix our problems. WAKE UP AMERICA!! he power is ours, they only have power because we sit back and let them have it. My favorite TJ quote :
"The tree of liberty must, from time to time, be watered with the blood of patriots"

reply to post by MarkScheppy

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Jefferson hated England and loved France. Napoleon snookered Jefferson. The French sold the Louisiana Territory to Jefferson for cash, but all the while Napoleon was planning to reconquer North America. The stunning defeat of the French Navy at Trafalgar in 1805 ended the possibility of French conquest of North America. Which made Jefferson still look good. However, once he learned of Napoleon's plans to conquer North America, Jefferson became terrified of the French. So he ordered a trade embargo against France and against England in his second term, which led to a Great Depression. Which is why he was so unpopular.
When Jefferson was in France, he was an ardent supporter of the French Revolution. Where the French cut off the heads of some of the world's greatest scientists. Which Jefferson was cool with. Which led to Napoleon, which led to Jefferson pissing in his pants.

reply to post by jakedog76

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Nah read some older threads and that post will make sense liberal contempt for them.

it was sarcasm

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