CPAC; Ron Paul won 2 years in a row; they change to electronic voting and he comes in 4th today?, page 2

Originally posted by Asktheanimals
reply to post by Th3Atom

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While I agree Citizens United should be overturned I don't understand why Robert Reich (who I have great respect for) would call the US a "democracy".

We're a Republic and he should know better.

I don't understand the point that you are trying to make here; Are you trying to say the two are completely exclusive of each other? Because that's not the case. If you are trying to say that a Republic cannot be a democracy, that's kind of obviously not true.

reply to post by TheOneElectric

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Perhaps Kentucky Senator Rand Paul will carry on his fathers mantle.

And if not him then perhaps Senator Tim Huelskamp (of Kansas) or several other present legislators who hold to a more Constitutionally based form of limited government.

One can only hope.

reply to post by Drew99GT

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Obviously, wine bitch moan when your candidate comes last...do you really think mainstream conservatives like his ideas beyond doing away with certain agencies etc...they detest his foreign policy stance. SO now they see he has some support (VERY FEW DELEGATES to be honest) and vote for anyone else...

RP is a fringe movement regardless how mainstream some of you think it is, it is not.

I swear I have never heard a bunch of bigger whiners and complainers than RP supporters, AND I AM ONE of them but the difference is I dont cry about the reality of things...

Sniper (If it sounded like an insult it was not meant to be, I tries suppressing my fire... : )

reply to post by Drew99GT

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If only there was someone in the GOP, a true fighter for liberty, that would speak out against all of these rigged ballots and election thievery. Someone well placed to know the truth... say a Presidential candidate.

But alas all the Presidential candidates are too corrupt to expose this corruption. The entire party and all it's members... head down.. Imagine how corrupt you'd have to be to stay in this party for 10, 20 or even 35 years. Pretty desperately corrupt. You would been party of the party that helped rig the 1980 Presidential election. Part of the party that was involved in illegal wars under Reagan. The party that chose to invade Iraq, twice. Part of the party that repeatedly gave tax cuts to the top 1% while slashing funding for healthcare and education. Part of the party that gave us the Patriot Act. And on and on.

No one with true moral fibre could stay in a party while all of that happened.

Originally posted by maus80
I don't understand the point that you are trying to make here; Are you trying to say the two are completely exclusive of each other? Because that's not the case. If you are trying to say that a Republic cannot be a democracy, that's kind of obviously not true.

Time for a History lesson:
Watch and learn the difference between a Democracy and a Republic.




Sirric

reply to post by Drew99GT

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This is why I have been suggesting that people look into the voting fraud that Greg Palast

www.gregpalast.com...

and Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

www.robertfkennedyjr.com...

has uncovered in the last three elections.

I also think it would be a good idea to look through Greg's last three books

The Best Democracy Money Can Buy

Armed Madhouse

Vultures Picnic

Not only will a read of these three books illustrate the inventive ways we have all been disenfranchised from an honest vote, but Armed Madhouse gives some good suggestion on how to "steal our vote" back.

Yes this is serious, and it will only get worse unless we take a hand. We need to go get the short training and get certified to be polling place observers. As the OP pointed out, where there were observers the vote counting comes out right. And after all, if that is all we have to do to take our vote/country back, it would seem like a small enough inconvenience.

Then maybe we'll see who is really unelectable. We might all be surprised.

reply to post by syrinx high priest

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they allowed more lazy people to vote from home or thier phone, so more people voted

Actually - see my previous post this thread - lazy votes usually get thrown away. At least in the last three elections they have.

reply to post by marinesniper0317

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Obviously, wine bitch moan when your candidate comes last...do you really think mainstream conservatives like his ideas beyond doing away with certain agencies etc...they detest his foreign policy stance. SO now they see he has some support (VERY FEW DELEGATES to be honest) and vote for anyone else...

RP is a fringe movement regardless how mainstream some of you think it is, it is not.

I swear I have never heard a bunch of bigger whiners and complainers than RP supporters, AND I AM ONE of them but the difference is I dont cry about the reality of things...

Sniper (If it sounded like an insult it was not meant to be, I tries suppressing my fire... : )

and

I know I am going to get flamed for this, but has anoyone thought that maybe the majority of voters just don't like Ron Paul and didn't vote for him?....

This is exactly what they said during the Roosevelt/Truman/Huey P. Long campaigns. I mention the Long governors race because an honest student of history will tell you that Long was the reason Roosevelt adopted his New Deal principle; in order to head him off at the pass so to speak.

Their were a LOT of other similarities between then (Roosevelt's and Long's) and now, enough that maybe some of us should look into it. It amazes me how close we are to the same conditions right down the line, and O'bama's method of dealing with the problems is the same one that didn't work then either, they only made it worse.

"Those who do not remember their history act like they were born yesterday"

reply to post by kwakakev

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The only way to bust this open is to get a court order and analyse the actual machines being used. If they are crocked all the evidence is in the code. It would not be the first time dodgy voting machines have been used.

Actually, except in this one case, Evoting machines are a rather small danger. There is also provisional ballots and absentee ballots whose ultimate destination is the ash can. There are also caging lists to deal with, voter purges, and manipulation of polling place locations to create difficulties in getting there and/or long discouraging lines.

Their is also improper voter id's which is a return to the old Jim Crow laws which were abolished in I think 1962. Leave it TPTB to change a name or two and keep on with business as usual.

If we concentrate on Electronic voting machines they will just reroute the voter fraud through one of these other many channels they have created.

The fight to get Ron Paul elected IS a fight for an honest vote.

Originally posted by maus80

Originally posted by Asktheanimals
reply to post by Th3Atom

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While I agree Citizens United should be overturned I don't understand why Robert Reich (who I have great respect for) would call the US a "democracy".

We're a Republic and he should know better.

I don't understand the point that you are trying to make here; Are you trying to say the two are completely exclusive of each other? Because that's not the case. If you are trying to say that a Republic cannot be a democracy, that's kind of obviously not true.

In a democracy 51% of the people control the other 49% of the people. In a Constitutional Republic (like the one we have), people have certain inherent, unalienable rights. The founders knew what they were doing, and if you have any doubts about that read about mob mentality.

The fact that the two are used interchangeably, particularly in the media, is IMO a conspiracy in itself. The powers that be would LOVE a democracy, because the reality of America today is most people are incredibly ignorant about a vast majority of things, and it would be easy to convince 51% of the American public about almost anything.

When decisions in our country devolve to mob rule, we will truly be screwed.

reply to post by ddaniel

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It's to late my friend the mob is already in place and this election will provide the ruler. One liner rule breaker

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