Why Argentina WILL Invade the Falklands & How Iran are Involved, page 6
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reply posted on 12-2-2012 @ 06:26 AM by yorkshirelad
Originally posted by Freeborn
reply to
post by LeBombDiggity



Northern Ireland remains British because the majority of people in Northern Ireland want to remain British.
Self-Determination.

The Falkland Islands remains British because the majority of people in The Falkland Islands want to remain British.
Self-Determination again.

Scotland is voting on independance.
Self-Determination yet again.

Where are the inconsistencies or 'moving goalposts'?

Britain has tried to be more than fair with Argentina offering them an equal partnership in the oil development in The Falklands.
Kirchner declined the offer and then dismissed the Islanders Right To Self-Determination as outlined in the UN Charter.
Kirchner see's herself as a new Evita and is consumed with enhancing her own international reputation, to the detriment of the best interests of the Argentinian people.

Despite what many may think, there will be no war over this.

I am fully aware of Thatcher's duplicity back in the 80's and firmly believe that Cameron is quite capable of matching her, but it would be political suicide for him to take any other stance on this.


Well said. I would add another point in that it is in the interest of the Tory party to see an independent Scotland, the reasons being:

1. Scotland is a Tory free area and so removal of all Scottish based MP's shifts the balance of power in Westminster very heavily towards the tories. They would'nt even need a lib-dem coalition!
2. A split UK could be made to re-apply for EU membership. This would suit the anti EU tories perfectly and without any need to have a referendum.
3. Per person the Scots consume more public money.
4. North sea oil is running out. Falklands oil will start flowing.

Cameron is provoking Salmond into a vote with terms that will antagonise the fence sitting Scots to vote independence.


reply posted on 12-2-2012 @ 06:57 AM by David291
reply to post by RockLobster



They did do that to our people, remember ...? Want to do it again too... So to be fair, I would do the same just to send them a message. I would of done the same during the first war, just so they don't do it again. I mean, if they can "get away" with doing it is to us, from what a lot of you saying anyway. I don't see why, we shouldn't do it to them aswell.

Ahh, true. Most of you think the argies are right

Edit: Do remember, they are the ones being hostile.
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reply posted on 12-2-2012 @ 07:24 AM by GogoVicMorrow
reply to post by Power_Semi



I see what you are getting at. I think it's plausible. Probably a lot more to it than can be outlined in a post, but it does have implications for a world war bringing South America in as a player for the first time.

Basically, it's a political compromise. You are saying it is possibly a sort of distraction concocted by Iran and Venezuela to split western forces to help Iran whom has close ties to Venezuela. Who knows what in return, future help with their own nuclear program, missiles in South America. Who knows.

I don't know how probable it is, but it's interesting so I dig it.


reply posted on 12-2-2012 @ 07:25 AM by GogoVicMorrow
reply to post by Raider of Truth



What about Argentina, and Venezuela with Iranian missiles? I think it would be more of a fight than expected.


reply posted on 12-2-2012 @ 08:12 AM by Mythmaker
reply to post by Power_Semi




Pretty bold statement there for a topic.

So, what is it, Power_Semi? Argentina WILL invade or you are just wearing your tin foil hat?

There should be an age limit on this site when it comes to issues of war. War is not a video game.

Otherwise we get people trashing brits & argies and counting boats.

And then there is Power_Semi...propaganda, patriotism, dictatorship, Iran??? My God.

THERE IS NO WAR HERE, CHAMP.

THERE´S YOU AND YOUR LIMITED KNOWLEDGE -- THAT´S ALL.



reply posted on 12-2-2012 @ 08:13 AM by BRITWARRIOR
Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
reply to
post by Raider of Truth



What about Argentina, and Venezuela with Iranian missiles? I think it would be more of a fight than expected.



Still not a problem

The type 45s sea viper defence system is more then capable, the Aster 15s & 30s giving both short-range and long-range anti-air capability could intercept Iranian missiles within 5minutes of its launch and track and destroy up to 300 missile near simultaneously, that is why they was sent to help better protect the US fleet in the striates of Hormuz against Iranian missiles should they strangle the world economy with a blockade of the striates, the fact is, Argentina need a good Navy to invade or a good air-force, troops & missiles count for jack s# on and Island 200miles of the coast, unless they're a nation of good swimmer & walkers in Argentina & Venezuela they won't be invading our islands any time soon,
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reply posted on 12-2-2012 @ 08:36 AM by marinesniper0317
reply to post by Power_Semi



Maybe I am wrong here but if Iran closed the straights of Hormuz, they would essentially cut off 80% of their revenue stream from crude sales...basically cutting their own throats, I do not think the Mullah's, IRN or big business would be favorable to this. Not to mention the riots and protests when their economy completely crumbles...

Just my thoughts...could be way off base...since no pipeline exhists yet...

Sniper...


reply posted on 12-2-2012 @ 08:37 AM by GogoVicMorrow
reply to post by marinesniper0317



They would be controlling the straight. They could let their oil through if they wanted.


reply posted on 12-2-2012 @ 08:57 AM by Narciso
reply to post by Power_Semi



Wow! I believe its the first time that I don´t feel deeply insulted as an argentinian by a Falkland related post here on ATS. I thank you for your objectiveness, that brought me back into posting!

Not going into the subject of who owns or not the islands I would like to appoint the only two but important misconceptions I detected in your post:

1. Argentina doesn´t even have gunpowder in it´s arsenal to even start a militay campaign. You must realize that our goverment right now is held by a group of people that back in the seventies and early eighties was called Montoneros, a comunist terrorist organization against the De Facto military government we had back then. The moment they took office back in 2003 they started dismantling our military that was already in very bad shape because of ist very low budget.

2. If you go back to the nineties you should see that the only terrorist attacks that took place in our country were both against the jew community in Argentina and both blamed on Iran, directly on goverment officials, not a terrorist group. Our current president (hate the woman) has ratified this accusations, so to think of an alliance with Iran is quite impossible.

As I said I really appreciate your informative post and how you didn´t fall in warmonger nationalist pride hate, anyone knows that any developed country can crush a third world country, so why rub it on our faces, right?

If you need any info from this part of the world to compose any post don´t hesitate and ask, I´ll be gald to be of use.


reply posted on 12-2-2012 @ 08:58 AM by Knights
reply to post by Kram09



I think it's more a case of venting frustration on our side to be honest. I don't think anyone in their heart of hearts want war. It is easy to type on a computer but in reality we are all aware we will lose soldiers- soldiers with families and scarring others. I'm sure these prople don't take this into account sat in a nice warm house on a computer declaring virtual wars.

Although I don't support war, I do feel the islands need to be defended.
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