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Why Argentina WILL Invade the Falklands & How Iran are Involved

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posted on Feb, 13 2012 @ 12:33 AM
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FISHING FISHING FISHING...........BITE!!!

What a load of rubbish. I had family members involved. Still to this day they have nightmares.

obviously too much whiskey that night??




posted on Feb, 13 2012 @ 01:44 AM
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Originally posted by BogeyLowenbrau
I can't recall the specifics, but one of my British friends said that his father got drunk one night and said that the government faked the Falklands War and filmed it in Scotland. Anyone have any inside info on this?





HAHAHA and you believe a Britsh drunk man? ok lets investigate what a drunk man said....hmmmmm



posted on Feb, 13 2012 @ 01:47 AM
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Originally posted by buddha

there was a very small army base before the Falkland's war.
and america did not want England with them in Iran.

the army base on the Falkland's could fight off a lot.
even sinking ships and shoot down all air craft that attack.

did you know that when argentine first attack Falkland's.
that the troops there hit one of the ships below the water line.
I dont think it sank. it was a MILAN tank weapon.

I am a brit and I read all about it at the time.



That was on south Georgia. One of the marines fired a Carl gustav at launcher and hit the corvette guerrico.

one of the jokes from the times is,
( one of the argentine officers sent 10 solders to take out a fox hole.
non came back so he sent 20. still no news. so he sent 40.
later one of them came back shot up. he says
"Its a trap, there is two of them!" )

and yes the argentine solders ware crap.

the solders on the Falkland's had orders to surrender?



posted on Feb, 13 2012 @ 02:08 AM
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Originally posted by tonycliffs
Argentina apparently needs names for more football teams.............

News
World news
Argentina
Argentina names top football league after ship sunk in Falklands war

The British nuclear-powered submarine HMS Conqueror sank the cruiser with three torpedoes on 2 May 1982. It was outside the British-declared exclusion zone but the prime minister, Margaret Thatcher, ruled it was a threat and approved the attack.



well talking about football names what about the Perfidious Albion football team?

Perfidious signifies one who does not keep his faith or word (from the Latin word "perfidia"), while Albion is the ancient Greek name for Great Britain.



posted on Feb, 13 2012 @ 02:29 AM
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posted on Feb, 13 2012 @ 02:31 AM
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Originally posted by Gloster

Originally posted by paraphi

Originally posted by Gloster
how can it be an Argentine conquistador who conquist argentina?lol it was a spain conquistador, In 1534, the conquest was left in the hands of Pedro de Mendoza, thanks to an agreement signed with Charles V .


The Argentineans committed genocide of the Patagonian aborigines in the late 1880’s. You can blame a lot on the Spanish and get all het up about the British Empire and colonialism, but the Argentineans are as guilty as anyone. At least the Falklands were uninhabited so no one was harmed, apart from a few seals and the odd penguin.

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Regards

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Australian Aborigines were almost exterminated by the English colonizers. Today, they represent only 1% of the Australian population, roughly estimated at around 200,000 people. When Captain Cook arrived in 1770, there were about 300,000 of them. The Aborigines inhabited Australia for at least 25,000 years (this was proven by Carbon 14 on paintings left on rocks). At that time, Australia was probably connected with Papua-New Guinea, and had many more rivers and forests in contrast to the desert that it is today
i dont see your point? who is better than who? who killed more? what race killed more than other?

here is a list of them





posted on Feb, 13 2012 @ 02:40 AM
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Originally posted by Lucidia
reply to post by nocollegeonsunday
 


I should not even be wasting my precious neural energy responding to a thread of such low intellectual calibre. However, exposed to such high levels of political and historical illiteracy, I feel compelled to say at least a few lines.
Some necessary background: Britian implanted a few paid British to live on an isle of the many islands there to excuse themselves and seek to colonise all the islands (including the uninhabited ones). FYI The first people to step on the falklands were actually indigenous, not European. Many Argentenians are mixed European with indigenous - they're not only European in descent, as you suggest.


Argentinians are virtually 100% European. There are a few Bolivian immigrants who may have native ancestry.

The islands were uninhabited when discovered by Europeans. Originally France and Britain settled competing islands in the chain, Spain acquired them from France and then attacked the British.

If there is a residual claim against the British it seems as though Spain has a claim before Argentina.



posted on Feb, 13 2012 @ 03:00 AM
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Originally posted by mbkennel

Originally posted by Lucidia
reply to post by nocollegeonsunday
 


I should not even be wasting my precious neural energy responding to a thread of such low intellectual calibre. However, exposed to such high levels of political and historical illiteracy, I feel compelled to say at least a few lines.
Some necessary background: Britian implanted a few paid British to live on an isle of the many islands there to excuse themselves and seek to colonise all the islands (including the uninhabited ones). FYI The first people to step on the falklands were actually indigenous, not European. Many Argentenians are mixed European with indigenous - they're not only European in descent, as you suggest.


Argentinians are virtually 100% European. There are a few Bolivian immigrants who may have native ancestry.

The islands were uninhabited when discovered by Europeans. Originally France and Britain settled competing islands in the chain, Spain acquired them from France and then attacked the British.

If there is a residual claim against the British it seems as though Spain has a claim before Argentina.






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posted on Feb, 13 2012 @ 03:48 AM
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Originally posted by sapien82
Argentina doesnt have to do anythign with their military , they can just attempt to take over the falklands by subterfuge!
Send in some special agents and do things that way instead of an all out invasion .


Send in some Special Agents! Seriously? They would be rounded up within a couple of days. Have you ever been to the Falklands? Are you talking about Special Forces? Any such action would be deemed as direct military action and the UK could respond with direct military force. The Argentines would soon get the message when they start loosing elements of their navy as they sit in port or start loosing their aircraft and airfield infrastructure through submarine launched Tomahawk Land Attack Missiles.

The Argentines are not stupid. They know the consequences of direct or indirect military action and they have no solution to cracking the UK forces currently on the Islands. The Argentine forces are not currently in a fit state to mount a military operation to retake the islands. It would take years of investment and training and all the UK has to do is keep re-enforcing the islands in proportion to the Argentine military state of readiness.



posted on Feb, 13 2012 @ 05:04 AM
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Originally posted by Morg234



The UK buys time on US satellites.


No. It only did that in 1982, due to delays and complications with Skynet being fully operational, and the huge amounts of round the world comm traffic of the engagement.


Where do you think the UK gets the imagery that the National Imagery Exploitation Centre use?


JARIC also provides specialist, advanced imagery intelligence to the armed forces and other intelligence partners through the exploitation of satellite imaging systems in addition to airborne and ground-based collection systems.


www.mod.uk...


Balancing the US and Europe The UK is described as having ‘a hesitation to develop European military space systems’ although there is strong UK involvement in civil EU/ESA programmes. This is partly because such systems might duplicate those to which the UK already has access through the US, and so would not be cost effective for the UK.


www.parliament.uk...

That is where the UK and US Special Relationship comes into play. It has been like that for decades. The UK spends large sums of money buying time on US imagery satellites. The same goes for SIGINT. Signals Intelligence from all national technical means and methods. The UK/USA SIGINT agreement was declassified during 2010.

www.nationalarchives.gov.uk...

www.nsa.gov...

The only UK imagery satellite was Topsat. It was a technology demonstrator based on the idea that a whole cluster of small-mini satellites could be employed.

www.bis.gov.uk...



posted on Feb, 13 2012 @ 05:14 AM
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Originally posted by tommyjo

Originally posted by sapien82
Argentina doesnt have to do anythign with their military , they can just attempt to take over the falklands by subterfuge!
Send in some special agents and do things that way instead of an all out invasion .


Send in some Special Agents! Seriously? They would be rounded up within a couple of days. Have you ever been to the Falklands? Are you talking about Special Forces? Any such action would be deemed as direct military action and the UK could respond with direct military force. The Argentines would soon get the message when they start loosing elements of their navy as they sit in port or start loosing their aircraft and airfield infrastructure through submarine launched Tomahawk Land Attack Missiles.

The Argentines are not stupid. They know the consequences of direct or indirect military action and they have no solution to cracking the UK forces currently on the Islands. The Argentine forces are not currently in a fit state to mount a military operation to retake the islands. It would take years of investment and training and all the UK has to do is keep re-enforcing the islands in proportion to the Argentine military state of readiness.





That is true Argentines couldnt even fight with falkland left alone, you have to admit that the British are very professional and organized but i still think people are the same and very stupid when its time to think by themselfs, live in a island surrounded by the military with fear of war? would you like that or is it better to adapt to a quite similar culture and take advantage of 2 sides.
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posted on Feb, 13 2012 @ 05:32 AM
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Originally posted by tonycliffs


The British nuclear-powered submarine HMS Conqueror sank the cruiser with three torpedoes on 2 May 1982. It was outside the British-declared exclusion zone but the prime minister, Margaret Thatcher, ruled it was a threat and approved the attack.


The Argentines acknowledged that the whole of the region was a conflict zone and not just inside the exclusion zone. The Belgrano was part of a pincer movement between the Argenine aircraft carrier task group and the Belgrano task group. The Belgrado's Captain also revealed that they were simply waiting to attack and agrees that they were a valid target.

From an interview between ITN's James Mates and the Belgrano Captain Bonzo when asked if they were a threat to the Task Force

"Yes, I agree with that statement. I think we posed a real threat ... we never had any intention of going back to shore; we were only waiting for the right moment to act."

The Argentine Government also declared the attack legitimate in 1994.

www.operationcorporate.com...

en.wikipedia.org...

www.telegraph.co.uk...
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posted on Feb, 13 2012 @ 05:50 AM
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Originally posted by BogeyLowenbrau
I can't recall the specifics, but one of my British friends said that his father got drunk one night and said that the government faked the Falklands War and filmed it in Scotland. Anyone have any inside info on this?


Are you Trolling?

This Royal Navy Gunner didn't shoot down this Argentine Air Force A-4 Pilot?


They must all be actors




www.mod.uk...

www.bbc.co.uk...

www.mod.uk...



posted on Feb, 13 2012 @ 06:21 AM
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tommyjo , thats not what I meant by special agents , as in the special ops services of the military.

I meant subterfuge , as in turn the people of falklands against the british government over a period of time
make them call for independence and get rid of the army then invade!

I have never been to the falklands , not somewhere im planning on going , are there any nice beaches ?



posted on Feb, 13 2012 @ 07:22 AM
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Originally posted by BogeyLowenbrau
I can't recall the specifics, but one of my British friends said that his father got drunk one night and said that the government faked the Falklands War and filmed it in Scotland. Anyone have any inside info on this?


Yes, I do.

You're either trolling or your "friend" has a massively overactive, disrespectful and stupid imagination.

Either way, neither has any place here.



posted on Feb, 13 2012 @ 07:48 AM
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Originally posted by sapien82
reply to post by tommyjo
 


tommyjo , thats not what I meant by special agents , as in the special ops services of the military.

I meant subterfuge , as in turn the people of falklands against the british government over a period of time
make them call for independence and get rid of the army then invade!

I have never been to the falklands , not somewhere im planning on going , are there any nice beaches ?


Nice beaches: Yes, they are pristine.

As for subterfuge. I doubt that would work as Argentina has blown away all hopes of that from their invasion in 1982 and of their most recent sabre rattleing and hatred and agressive behaviour against the Islanders and of the UK. As for other types of 'Black Ops', remember that most of the population are descended from white anglo-saxons, so a native Argentinian would 'stand out' like a sore thumb.

Their only chance would have been through a 'Hearts and Minds' campaign, but again the events of 1982 and recently has blown that out of the water. As an addition to this, during the 1982 invasion, to 'help ease over' the takeover, the Argentinians offered all of the Islanders a TV per household on a cheap loan deal. At first they refused, until the local Vicar said that they ought to take the offer because soon British Forces would kick them out and you wont ever have to make any payments for the TV. By all accounts the offer was soon taken up - Strange but true.

People have very long memories when it comes to hostile actions against them, so the Falkland Islanders are not likely to forgive them anytime soon. We in England still scorn the French and they invaded in 1066!
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posted on Feb, 13 2012 @ 07:54 AM
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Cristina needs her HRT adjusting.
If we end up at war with Argentina just because she's having bad flushes I'll eat my hat.
She just gobbing off for gobbing's sake desperate to be the next Eva Peron.



posted on Feb, 13 2012 @ 07:58 AM
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Originally posted by Wotan

Originally posted by sapien82
reply to post by tommyjo
 


tommyjo , thats not what I meant by special agents , as in the special ops services of the military.

I meant subterfuge , as in turn the people of falklands against the british government over a period of time
make them call for independence and get rid of the army then invade!

I have never been to the falklands , not somewhere im planning on going , are there any nice beaches ?


Nice beaches: Yes, they are pristine.

As for subterfuge. I doubt that would work as Argentina has blown away all hopes of that from their invasion in 1982 and of their most recent sabre rattleing and hatred and agressive behaviour against the Islanders and of the UK. As for other types of 'Black Ops', remember that most of the population are descended from white anglo-saxons, so a native Argentinian would 'stand out' like a sore thumb.

Their only chance would have been through a 'Hearts and Minds' campaign, but again the events of 1982 and recently has blown that out of the water. As an addition to this, during the 1982 invasion, to 'help ease over' the takeover, the Argentinians offered all of the Islanders a TV per household on a cheap loan deal. At first they refused, until the local Vicar said that they ought to take the offer because soon British Forces would kick them out and you wont ever have to make any payments for the TV. By all accounts the offer was soon taken up - Strange but true.

People have very long memories when it comes to hostile actions against them, so the Falkland Islanders are not likely to forgive them anytime soon. We in England still scorn the French and they invaded in 1066!
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The population, estimated at 3,140, primarily consists of Falkland Islanders, the majority of British descent. Other ethnicities include French, Gibraltarian, and Scandinavian. Immigration from the United Kingdom, Saint Helena, and Chile have reversed a former population decline. The predominant and official language is English. Under the British Nationality Act of 1983, Falkland Islanders are British citizens. and they could send one of the Anglo Argentines.



posted on Feb, 13 2012 @ 08:03 AM
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Originally posted by Wotan
Their only chance would have been through a 'Hearts and Minds' campaign...,


Just to take up on that point... I wonder why Argentina have not clicked that they will get nowhere by threatening and antagonising the Falkland Islanders.

Surely, they would have been better advised to actually be nice to the Islanders. That way the relations between the Islanders and Argentina could have been normalised after 1982 war and perhaps the Islanders would become more sympathetic and willing to compromise in the future – the distant future maybe, but the bridges would not have been so thoroughly burned as is happening with their current misguided policy.

The Argentinean people are not being well served by this policy of antagonising the Islanders and the UK. They will make no progress until they change their policy.

Regards



posted on Feb, 13 2012 @ 08:16 AM
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Yeh well I see your point , if the argentinians cant take the falklands by force and they cant by subterfuge then , they really wont make any kinda of play. The only option they may have is to scorch the earth so that we the Uk cant have it either , but they wouldnt do that dont even think they have the technology to fire ballisitic missles at the falklands .


However im sure you and almost every other Englishman and woman is smarter than most and that you dont really hate the french for invading in 1066 , because really you know it doesnt matter to you one bit otherwise England wouldnt have helped them out during WWI and WWII.
Anyone who holds a grudge for something that didnt happen directly to them or their family or happened out of their lifetime shoudl really start to consider their feelings on the issue.

Which is why I dont understand these patriotic idiots going on about hated for Scots, Welsh , Irish and English ,
or our friends in the continent the French and their lovely wine and food that we all enjoy , or their use of words
which we all too often encorporate into our own langauge .



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