I thoroughly enjoy seeing so many people standing up and speaking out, however I think the OWS is more of a social networking failure than a momentous social revolution. The ideology is fascinating but they seem to have no sustenance to maintain it. I've tried to figure out what the solution is and I've heard so many different ones, it seems they want to effect change without a model to change to, which is of itself a conflict based societal idea. Their social group itself even seems to lack a cohesion. I hope that the individual elements do not unravel what could be a good thing by not planning and preparing effectively.

If I were to run a business selling widgets and my suppliers were in cohoots against me would I fire them before finding a new way of getting and distributing my widgets or would I just stop selling widgets, repurpose my entire business, or close my doors?

Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
Don't give up, sport. Keep trying to think until you can and then once you can then do think.

Ok, first I'm not a Marxist so I don't know who you think you are to judge me and insult me.

I just said you are wired differently because I didn't want to insult you since I personally think you are extremely shallow minded. I too think you are disabled of critical thinking.

Now that we both see each other as morons, we know what kind of answer to expect from each other.

Originally posted by Kaploink

Originally posted by PaxVeritas
Occupy Wall Street FAILED because of drivel similar to yours.

"Capitalism"?

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Failed? Not at all. It woke up a lot of people that to the idea that perhaps something is wrong with this country. That the corruption in the government that favors the wealthy corporations and individuals over the majority of the Americans is wrong. That perhaps the growing income disparity is something to be questioned instead of pretending that benefits will somehow trickle down to the average American through job creation while the jobs are being exported to other countries.

Sure the camps are being broken up, but the feeling that something is wrong in this country still persists. When you see Republican nominees talking about income disparity instead of the normal trickle down and how the wealthy are suffering, you know something is changing.

Yeah... It failed. And perhaps, instead of mandating a method to take moneyh from people who earn it, considet getting off our butt and making it work for you.

That is one of the major problems with weak intelligences... The only way they can see tings working is to mandate a method whereby it's easier to take things that belong to someone else, instead of working for it themselves.

Communism?... Yeah, it didn't work in Russia, it's not really working in China, and I'm thinking you'll find it is a loser system.

Originally posted by WiindWalker

Originally posted by PaxVeritas
Occupy Wall Street FAILED because of drivel similar to yours.

"Capitalism"?

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Before you laugh at your own lie, why dont you realize that it has not failed. In many ways they may have given themselves a bad name, but failure? No way. What they are protesting IS getting through to the higher ups. It may take time to accomplish their demands but 1 by 1 you will start seeing the cookie crumble.

They are a failure... You folks so wrapped up on your self-righteousness crack me up. You cannot be old enough to have been out in the world on your own, and made it for yourself... Either that or someone has been feeding you some incredibly stupid information, and you've been lanely swallowing it all. The 1%, as you lamely refer to them as, are not going to crash. The Middle Class won't let that happen. If the rich have to start giving all they own to the poor, then what's to keep someone from coming after the middle class? Use your head for something other than a place ot hang a Yale cap...

Thomas Paine said something to the effect (in Common Sense) that government exists to restrain our vices and to protect the whole. Our suffering is even more when you reflect and realize that we are the cause of our own suffering, because if the impulses of conscience were irresistibly obeyed than man would need no other law giver.

If we weren't all so violent, immature, uncaring, etc., we wouldn't need a government to govern us.

And then, Krishnamirta said, "it is a crisis in consciousness". We have a lot of learning to do, myself included.

While going through the posts I am amazed there are so many people who feel that capitalism has failed and that communism or some system similar would be preferable. Many posters seem to feel powerless in their working careers and think that the evil rich are controlling their lives and fates. I have a hard time understanding how people have come to that kind of thinking. I am 71 years old so have many years of experience under my belt. I have spent a lot of time over seas in Europe and communist countries. I have spent a lot of time in Russia, Hungary, Romania, Armenia and Kyrgyzstan. What ever problems we may have here in the United States if you would have traveled in the former communist countries like I have you would have seen how communism destroys the human spirit. When the state provides everything for the people then the people slowly quit working. Why work when the state provides it. Slowly, ever so slowly the people produce less and less, people become more slothful, the economy becomes more inefficient and people work less and less. Communist countries could not compete with capitalist countries and that is why communism failed. So I recommend you young people who dream of a better system then capitalism forget it. There is no better system.

Originally posted by rskenan
While going through the posts I am amazed there are so many people who feel that capitalism has failed and that communism or some system similar would be preferable.

No one including myself said anything like that. You are mistaken in your interpretation, I was only talking about what I read in the Communist Manifesto and how I perceived it as relating to the current situation today, nothing more. I haven't even read the whole thing yet, I don't know enough to say I would support communism or not.

My post was not directed specifically at you but towards the general tone that I perceive in all the responses. When you say "I don't know enough to say I would support communism or not" it seems to reflect the lack of knowledge that the OWS protesters had in general about what they would have to do to succeed in life. Since you don't know whether communism is a good system on not already shows what a poor education you had.
Communism is one of the worst and most evil systems of government implemented in the history of earth. It is sad you don't know that already.

Originally posted by RadioactiveRob

Originally posted by rskenan
While going through the posts I am amazed there are so many people who feel that capitalism has failed and that communism or some system similar would be preferable.

No one including myself said anything like that. You are mistaken in your interpretation, I was only talking about what I read in the Communist Manifesto and how I perceived it as relating to the current situation today, nothing more. I haven't even read the whole thing yet, I don't know enough to say I would support communism or not.

After you're done with that, read Orwell's Animal Farm. The problem isn't in the ideology of any system, it's in the implementation and people in power. Every human-devised system is subject to corruption and greed. It's the stumbling block of every single society that ever was or will be.

Originally posted by rskenan
My post was not directed specifically at you but towards the general tone that I perceive in all the responses. When you say "I don't know enough to say I would support communism or not" it seems to reflect the lack of knowledge that the OWS protesters had in general about what they would have to do to succeed in life. Since you don't know whether communism is a good system on not already shows what a poor education you had.
Communism is one of the worst and most evil systems of government implemented in the history of earth. It is sad you don't know that already.

It's sad that you think your somehow better or more educated because you watch big media like CNN, you probably never read the Communist Manifesto or anything on communism for that matter. Perhaps you read a wikipedia article or heard something about it on CNN's spin hour, but you probably don't know anything really. That's why you result to insults and try to pull off this "what a poor education you've had, how sad that you don't know this already" superiority nonsense. You're not better than or smarter than anyone here buddy. So get out of here with that crap.