It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.
Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.
Thank you.
Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.
Paul echoes Christ who also said that blindness was temporal. "You shall not see me again until you say..". This is an echo of Christ in Hosea 5:15. That is why God is provoking them to jealousy. He wouldn't be provoking them to be jealous if He didn't have plans to redeem them, that's common sense.
Principalities = angels, I'd assume Christ created them, He's God. The way it's translated from the TR Ezekiel is prophesying to the kings and God takes it beyond the flesh and blood and to the devil behind the thrones. (We battle not against flesh and blood...) You can clearly see it's addressing a supernatural angel, a "cherub".
"You are the anointed cherub that covers; and I have set you so: you were upon the holy mountain of God; you have walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire." And Lucifer was not archangel, he was a cherub-class of angel. That's why God placed "Cherubim" leading to the way of the tree of life, it wasn't to keep Adam and eve out, a simple angel could easily have done that. God placed Cherubim there to keep out another cherub, lucifer.
. . . It secures the full inheritance.
He cannot forgive sins without penalty, that would compromise His justice.
Originally posted by KJV1611
reply to post by Akragon
My friend you can't be considered Christian if you follow paul... you are now a paulian... Along with many of the others that feel this way as well... Justs myt opinion of course... It is called "Christianity"... though i would say many follow paulianity, perhaps even more follow paul then Jesus...
Of course I am "Paulian"....whatever the devil that means...but really now, you saying you don't follow Paul over Jesus? If you don't then you are not saved and you will not go to Heaven. Why? Jesus never once taught salvation by grace through faith. Paul did,
Jesus taught keep commandments and works based salvation (Matt 5-7, etc.) Paul taught pure faith through grace. (Eph 2:8-9)
Matter of fact, Christianity is based SOLELY on Paul's writings. I have noticed a lot if you guys don't understand this. Let me make it clear....if you follow Jesus Christ's teachings ONLY, then you will end up in Hell. Why? Because you must believe the Gospel to be saved. Soooooo what is the Gospel? (1 Cor 15:1-4) Its the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ. So how you going to believe the Gospel of Grace reading ONLY the Gospels?!?! The gospel of grace does not even appear!! I challenge you, show me where the gospel of grace appears in the 4 gospels. (Now Jesus did mention it, but only to His apostles, He never preached it (Rom 10:9-17))
P.s. You are COMMANDED to be a follower of Paul according to the Holy Scriptures.
1 Cor 4:16 "Wherefore I beseech you, BE YE FOLLOWERS OF ME. "
Keep reading....you will catch up one day (I hope )
I don't think so, that's the fatal flaw, "stopping right there, PERIOD."
You're cherry-picking the attributes of God. Yes, He is love. But He is also Holy, Righteous, and Just. And He HATES sin and unrighteousness. He cannot forgive sins without penalty, that would compromise His justice.
I have no reason to think that this is an accurate statement.
In all of my years, I have never been told that God hates in that way. He is unconditionally loving, despite the suggestion that "we are not worthy so much as to pick up the crumbs under your table."
A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.
Glad you rely so much on your position in life. I happily say I don't rely on anything I have done, my membership in my independent Baptist church (which you are using as your alibi), or my up bringing. I rely purely on the shed blood of Jesus Christ as my atonement to a ANGER, HOLY, and RIGHTEOUS God.
P.s. You mentioned "I" no less than 11 times in your post in regards to your religion. Good luck with that when you stand before God.
P.s. You mentioned "I" no less than 11 times in your post in regards to your religion. Good luck with that when you stand before God.
Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by NOTurTypical
He cannot forgive sins without penalty, that would compromise His justice.
You could not possibly be more wrong about anything.
The New Testament states that the mechanism of God's forgiveness of sins is by His forgetting them.
Originally posted by wildtimes
reply to post by NOTurTypical
I don't think so, that's the fatal flaw, "stopping right there, PERIOD."
You're cherry-picking the attributes of God. Yes, He is love. But He is also Holy, Righteous, and Just. And He HATES sin and unrighteousness. He cannot forgive sins without penalty, that would compromise His justice.
I have no reason to think that this is an accurate statement.
In all of my years, I have never been told that God hates in that way. He is unconditionally loving, despite the suggestion that "we are not worthy so much as to pick up the crumbs under your table."
Well, when I stand before God, I dare say this "goody-do-gooder" will be in fine standing...
Your making this too easy again:
Remember what I said about God hating all the do good groups and love your fellow man groups you so love? I said God hates them right? Want proof your "wonderful works" will land you in Hell?
Matthew 7:22-23
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done MANY WONDERFUL WORKS?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that WORK iniquity.
All works, regardless of how good you think they are, are useless without Jesus Christ and His blood being involved. Your "wonderful works" and benevolent groups are considered workers of iniquity in God's eyes.
Matthew 7:22-23
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done MANY WONDERFUL WORKS?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that WORK iniquity.
He forgives them because of Christ. By definition a judge that looks the other way when a person is guilty is not a just judge, we'd call them corrupt.