Originally posted by aaronez
Most the old socialist regimes in the Middle East (e.g. Egypt, Libya) have now fallen and Syria is next. This is inevitable so mark my words. Then Russia will fall as the people are starting to stir now and this threatens Putin. Putin will be gone within 12 months and the New World Order will then begin to arise...
"In Syria today, wounded patients and doctors are pursued, and risk torture and arrest at the hands of the security services," said Marie-Pierre Allié, MSF president. "Medicine is being used as a weapon of persecution." Most of the wounded do not go to public hospitals for fear of being arrested or tortured. When a wounded person is admitted to a hospital, a false name is sometimes provided to hide his or her identity. Doctors will provide false diagnoses to help patients elude security forces, which search for patients with wounds consistent with those sustained in protests and demonstrations....
...The injured are largely treated in clandestine treatment facilities by doctors trying to fulfill their commitment and duty to provide medical assistance. Improvised health clinics have been established in apartments, on farms, and elsewhere. Simple rooms outfitted as makeshift operating theaters, known as "mobile hospitals," are used for surgical procedures. Hygiene and sterilization conditions are rudimentary and anesthesia is in short supply. Furthermore, the mere possession of drugs and basic medical materials, such as gauze, is considered a crime. "The security services attack and destroy the mobile hospitals," said a doctor who requested anonymity. "They enter houses looking for drugs and medical supplies."...
..."We are constantly being pursued by the security forces," said another physician. "Many doctors who treated wounded patients in their private hospitals have been arrested and tortured."
The majority of Syrians do not want Assad to resign and believe that the news about the protests in the country are exaggerated, according to a YouGov/Qatar Foundation poll on Syria commissioned for the Doha Debates that was published earlier this month. Atrocities have been carried out by both the Government and some of the armed protesters. In addition, Western, North African and Arab countries are funding, arming and training the armed opposition in Syria.
Some 55% of Syrian respondents do not believe President Assad should resign, whereas it was found that it was the vast majority of respondents across the region, 81%, who want him to do so.
Of the total respondents, 46% wanted President Assad to remain in power to prevent Syria becoming another Iraq, and half of the total (50%) think that the protests [in Syria] are part of a conspiracy by the US and the West.
Almost a third, 32%, of respondents from the Levant region believe that President Assad is the best president for Syria (the figure for Syria alone is not given).
Originally posted by mkgandhas
reply to post by isaac7777
Check NDAA2012.It enables murder,torture and detention of americans without warrant. So like how am i supposed to trust american propaganda if your nation has such draconian laws.
Originally posted by Jakes51
Russia again? If they are so concerned about Syria? Why don't they enforce a no-fly zone or send peace keepers? Better yet, why don't they vote on it in the UN? If anyone remembers it was both the Chinese and Russians who abstained from voting during the last UN Security Council measure regarding Libya. Vote for crying out loud!
They are permanent members of the Security Council, and their vote counts as much as any other nation. No, they will sit on their hands and do nothing. Always playing both sides against the middle. Typical Russian foreign policy. If they care so much about their business and strategic interests in Syria? Why are they filling the void with rhetoric instead of action? It is a very good possibility Assad is going to be ousted from power. It would be in Russia's best interests to endear themselves to the Syrian people at this crucial time. What is to stop whoever takes over from giving Russia the pink slip for their inaction? Nothing!
As long as their is consensus among members of the UN and neighbors in the region. I see no problem with international intervention, but only with a majority signing off on it. If Russia sits this one out when it is time to vote? Then they have themselves to blame if things sour regarding their relationship with Syria, and no one else. If they have proof of others aiding the Syrian rebellion? Prove it!
Originally posted by MamaJ
reply to post by Vitchilo
I understand where you are coming from. I don't want war and do not think we should be policing anyone.
HOWEVER I do believe in standing up for the underdog. Right now in the US we have a BIG problem with bullying. On the radio this morning I was glad to hear the DJ's commercial in regards to bullying and standing up, otherwise you are a part of the problem by not standing up to bullying. Kids are killing them selves left and right over it and it is so sad!
If the people of Syria are crying out for help then why is Russia not with the US standing up for the rights of the people?
Im in no way condoning the US going in other Countries and causing a war but I am all for helping people.
I don't think for a minute our leaders REALLY care about the people. They probably have another agenda.
Who knows....it is so confusing and I can hardly keep up with the news of each day. The times we are living in are interesting indeed!!!
Originally posted by mkgandhas
reply to post by satoriku
have you noticed the utter hypocrisy of USA arming Al qaeda in Libya and Syria and supporting the bahraini and saudi govts in genocide against their citizens.
Originally posted by isaac7777
Originally posted by Vitchilo
Another warning... and a BIG ONE to the west to stop interfering in Syria...
Russia accuses West of stoking Syria conflict by arming rebels
Russia said on Friday that the West was stoking the conflict in Syria by sending weapons to the opponents of President Bashar Assad.
Probably. Iran is helping Assad.
"The UN council is not a tool for intervention in internal affairs and is not the agency to decide which government is to be next in one country or another," Ryabkov said. "If our foreign partners don't understand that, we will have to use drastic measures to return them to real grounds."
I wonder what that would be... giving high tech weapons to Syria/Iran? Arming Hezbollah?
Who knows. Yes Assad is killing his own people. But guess what, it's Syria's people business. We have no right to intervene, even if we all want the killing to stop. Would you want Russia and China bombing the US if a revolt began? I don't think so.
So you are condoning the murder* of innocents in Syria? Sounds like it. Is Russia condoning it? Most definitely. Nothing wrong with sending weapons to his opponents, good for them that they now have a fighting chance against Assad. And its right for Iran to send 15,000 troops to Syria? How about we* send 15,000 of our elite troops to back the rebels? Also its not only Syrias business...its humanitys* business. I would give my life equally for any human on this planet, whether he is American, Iranian, Ethiopian, Chinese, whatever, and im sure many others would as well. And yes, if the US government was murdering its own citizens, and we led a revolt, although we wouldnt need the help of the Chinese or the Russians, id love it. Its time for change in the world.edit on 10-2-2012 by isaac7777 because: (no reason given)
The United States and Europe are "harboring hegemonistic ambitions" in Syria, China's state news agency said Saturday, a day after Beijing was condemned at an international conference held to find a way to halt the Syrian regime's nearly year-old suppression of an anti-government uprising.
Originally posted by korathin
reply to post by Vitchilo
I think Russia just needs to join NATO and be given a seat at the adult table already. If Russia was allowed into NATO in the 90's we wouldn't be having these pissing contest disputes with Russia. Because that is all they are.
Economically, Russia would benefit from a bombed out Iran(even factoring in the lost income from the money Iran owes Russia). Russia's only stake in the game is to flip the middle finger at the West. That is what this is all about.