Mind controlled soldiers..........

Drug enhanced Super Soldiers with weapons systems plugged directly into the brain now being discussed openly in the British MSM! What it doesn't discuss is the inevitability of this leading to US levels of Army Veteren suicides as the effects of the drugs wear off and they begin to recall the atrocities that they have perpetrated whilst under the influence of psycho-active pharmaceuticals!

Mods please move......... wrong thread type

www.guardian.co.uk...

So...they come up with this awesome new brain-boosting, brain-plugging technology...it could be used for hospitals, schools, all these other things...

And their first application is the military?

Our race is CLEARLY learning to get along... After all, who DOESN'T want our weapons technology further upgraded to create more efficient killing machines?

Jeez...

Maybe they'll all come out of it saying "I know Kung-Fu."

reply to post by Tea4One


But instead of saying, "Show me," our military leaders will point and say, "Kill."

That's how it works, right?

With current developments in Bio-Engineering, would it not be easier to just grow the so-called "Super Soldier" instead of taking a person who has memories and experiences prior to any kind of "enhancement"? It seems to me like it would be a little easier to keep information regarding the program secret.

reply to post by Starchild23


You clearly fail to understand the basic concepts of technological advance.

Every single bit of high tech you regard as normal and given today, has been developed by the military decades ago. Try comparing the R&D budget of Sony or any company like that with the R&D budget of the pentagon, and you know where the real research is conducted, most likely in areas that you wouldn't dare dreaming about.

And it's been that way in the past 4000 years at least. War does bring advancements, both sociological and technological. Peace means stand still. That's a matter of fact. In peace times people get lazy.

Originally posted by MDDoxs
With current developments in Bio-Engineering, would it not be easier to just grow the so-called "Super Soldier" instead of taking a person who has memories and experiences prior to any kind of "enhancement"? It seems to me like it would be a little easier to keep information regarding the program secret.

The simple answer to that is Congress. Such a project would never be approved, and I very much agree with that.

All sorts of moral quandaries involved with cultivating humans for the explicit purpose of creating a superior killing machine...yeah, it wouldn't happen, at least not in our current government.

Originally posted by H1ght3chHippie
reply to post by Starchild23

 

You clearly fail to understand the basic concepts of technological advance.

Every single bit of high tech you regard as normal and given today, has been developed by the military decades ago. Try comparing the R&D budget of Sony or any company like that with the R&D budget of the pentagon, and you know where the real research is conducted, most likely in areas that you wouldn't dare dreaming about.

And it's been that way in the past 4000 years at least. War does bring advancements, both sociological and technological. Peace means stand still. That's a matter of fact. In peace times people get lazy.

So your solution is to deliberately create problems and/or expect problems to the point of creating a militant nation and devoting all technological advances to the art of killing in the name of "patriotism".

This is one of the reasons we are always at war.

Originally posted by Starchild23

Originally posted by MDDoxs
With current developments in Bio-Engineering, would it not be easier to just grow the so-called "Super Soldier" instead of taking a person who has memories and experiences prior to any kind of "enhancement"? It seems to me like it would be a little easier to keep information regarding the program secret.

The simple answer to that is Congress. Such a project would never be approved, and I very much agree with that.

All sorts of moral quandaries involved with cultivating humans for the explicit purpose of creating a superior killing machine...yeah, it wouldn't happen, at least not in our current government.

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My response would be, do you believe that congress has approved and condoned all of the actions conducted by the military, central intelligence or whoever. There would be two of many problems with that:

1. Nothing would truly be secret, congress grants groups the abilityto perform actions in the best intentions of the nation.
2. Do you actually think that groups of tremendous political/resource based power cant side step congress.

Ofcourse i can not back up these claims at the moment as i dont have time to find the revelant articles to demonstrate my point, however this information seems very basic.

Originally posted by Starchild23

Originally posted by H1ght3chHippie
reply to post by Starchild23

 

You clearly fail to understand the basic concepts of technological advance.

Every single bit of high tech you regard as normal and given today, has been developed by the military decades ago. Try comparing the R&D budget of Sony or any company like that with the R&D budget of the pentagon, and you know where the real research is conducted, most likely in areas that you wouldn't dare dreaming about.

And it's been that way in the past 4000 years at least. War does bring advancements, both sociological and technological. Peace means stand still. That's a matter of fact. In peace times people get lazy.

So your solution is to deliberately create problems and/or expect problems to the point of creating a militant nation and devoting all technological advances to the art of killing in the name of "patriotism".

This is one of the reasons we are always at war.

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The reason America gets to pretend it is at peace is that it is so good at preparing for war to defend its peace, it gives hesitance to the enemies it finds itself facing on the battlefield, and takes advantage of its reputation for subtly by being blunt in the application of force.

If you want peace, prepare for war.

War doesn't have to be for patriotism, but you should not listen to those who advocate war for only wars sake.

The pentagon has a large R&D budget but what of the rest of NATO, surely you can recognize the importance of NATO nations absolutely dominating the list of aircraft carriers by country.

en.wikipedia.org...

The table below does not include, aircraft carrying submarines, seaplane tenders, escort carriers or merchant aircraft carriers

Take that as a symptom of the research here. If the British utilize computers better, it casually competes with countries that are in a coalition with in, the NATO forces that don't have it are lagging behind, but backing them up. British Carriers will be retired for a short while to apparently let NATOs combined forces control the sea that British Carriers will be reintroduced to; the austerity measure does not directly say that the money is moved around to give their soldiers this kind of boost is at the expense of the navy using Aircraft Carriers.

In todays 'network centric warfare' it seems like a better R&D investment than the carriers do.

Network Centric Warfare was merely a buzzword. It was always just a civillian buzzword.

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Oh! Security applications? They have real good terminology don't they?....sheesh. FIrst it was "Shell Shocked" but they changed it to PTSD. It's more of a politicaly correct term. What's next? Neural Jack Psychosis? I dunno, carpet bombing an entire country within 24 hours seems to be pretty thorough to me. Why we need even more advanced weaponry is beyond me. It's not like it's gonna help them kill even more. Well, I sure hope not. Ok, doesn't "security" applications, in the true sence of the word, mean "at home" and "military" applications mean "abroad"?

reply to post by Starchild23


I am merely stating the facts, neither condemning them nor endorsing them. These are just my observations.

Let me put it that way: Would you be more happy to be member of a primitive race that will always live in caves, gather and hunt food, but therefore never fighting a war, or would you rather like to be a member of a race which is always balancing on the edge of self destruction, but therefore has the option to travel to the stars one day ?

What would your choice be ?



Another Edit: I just thought about another interesting question that pops to my mind when reading my own post .. lol .. Let's assume you pick the peace loving, primitive race .. are you sure you would never be conquered by a technologically and hostile species ? Are you sure killing isn't an essential part of every advanced humanoid race ?

reply to post by MDDoxs


I have no doubt in my mind if they are releasing this information to the public its long been in the process of been developed

Originally posted by H1ght3chHippie
reply to post by Starchild23

 

You clearly fail to understand the basic concepts of technological advance.

Every single bit of high tech you regard as normal and given today, has been developed by the military decades ago. Try comparing the R&D budget of Sony or any company like that with the R&D budget of the pentagon, and you know where the real research is conducted, most likely in areas that you wouldn't dare dreaming about.

And it's been that way in the past 4000 years at least. War does bring advancements, both sociological and technological. Peace means stand still. That's a matter of fact. In peace times people get lazy.

You've got it absolutely backwards. You couldn't be more wrong.

EVERYTHING that you think of as the modern world was invented in the late nineteenth and early twentieth century. I defy anyone to name even ONE invention that has been made since WW II. Not just refinements of existing inventions. Everyone is going to scream, "The Internet!" but WRONG. The phone system already existed, the internet is just improved switching, basically.

The Wright brothers were not trying to develop a more effective killing machine. Once they had made their great invention, psychos, instead of marveling at the ability to now fly like a bird, immediately their only thought was, "Yeah, yeah, we can drop bombs on people out of this thing".

Really everything was invented prior to the war. During the war, the only thing actually invented was radar, and the jet engine. Both of these are just improvements on existing tech anyway. Steam turbines were invented long before, and RADio Direction And Ranging was really just an improvement on existing radio wave tech.

THere was a great flowering of human achievement for a while there. Once the psychos got their hooks into everything, it came to a GRINDING HALT.

NOTHING has been invented for over sixty years, fellas. NOTHING. Because all R&D goes into improved death machines and NOTHING ELSE.

So no one can name even ONE real invention since the war? I know. Scary, huh?

The only one is maybe satellites. But even that is bouncing well known radio waves off of much taller towers.

reply to post by CaptChaos


this thread was never about naming new inventions if you see what i wrote it was about the influence of psycho-active pharmaceuticals or at least the effects of coming off of them and how it may lead to higher rate of veteran suicide's