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reply posted on 11-2-2012 @ 08:17 PM by Mutant
Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
reply to post by FusionPower


NH.

It's a dem governor but the house and senate are like 90% reps. No reason the bill shouldnt have passed.

Unless they're just waiting until we get a rep governor who wont just veto it.


Even if the governor didn't like it, with enough support, a veto could be overridden


reply posted on 12-2-2012 @ 12:33 AM by bekod
reply to post by pteridine
you seem to think this is the wild west, where the call is "meet me in the center of main at noon and draw", not so seeing one carry would make the bad guy think twice, but then there are drugs to effect ones judgment, CCW one does not know and some be slow to act, how fast could you pull from under a coat or out of a purse? side armed? try it.


reply posted on 12-2-2012 @ 12:37 AM by bekod
reply to post by sean
it is a tax plain and simple! for if your a "bad guy" it does not matter, they will always have guns, no matter what the laws says


reply posted on 12-2-2012 @ 12:57 AM by BulletShogun
Originally posted by bekod
reply to post by pteridine
[CCW one does not know and some be slow to act, how fast could you pull from under a coat or out of a purse? side armed? try it.



With the adrenaline rush due to the combat factor of actually being in danger take whatever action you practice and decrease its effectiveness by about 30%

my drill sergeant taught me that.

it also depends on where you carry. in the waist,small of back, shoulder ect. how big the firearm is also determines the speed of draw. a snubby is easier pulled than a smith and wesson 500.

i have a stoeger couger8000(formerly a berretta cauger 8000) 15 rounds of 9mm. How well will i be able to use it?

the one time i was robbed at home i had nothing to protect me but a dog and a cheap flea market sword that wasnt sharp. the dog did all the work

when i was robbed at the jobcorps dorm i had a broom handle.

when i was robbed at a local gas station someone else had a ccw and didn't bat an eye to pull his peice.

these were all failed attempts at robbing me. most due to my luck.

so i do not become a statistic i practice with my 9. currently im using a nylon shoulder holster and a nylon in the waist holster.

with my in the waist holster i can have that firearm pointed at centermass rather quickly.

but under stress how would i fare? i might drop the damn thing or fail to disengage the safety. hell i might even accedentally press the mag release.

your going to react diffrently under stress.

that noted. some people do the oppisite and thrive under it


reply posted on 12-2-2012 @ 01:30 AM by BulletShogun
Originally posted by bekod
reply to post by sean
it is a tax plain and simple! for if your a "bad guy" it does not matter, they will always have guns, no matter what the laws says

england is proof of that. theres an outright ban on handguns and yet every crook that wants one can get it real easy


reply posted on 12-2-2012 @ 10:29 AM by pteridine
Originally posted by bekod
reply to post by pteridine
you seem to think this is the wild west, where the call is "meet me in the center of main at noon and draw", not so seeing one carry would make the bad guy think twice, but then there are drugs to effect ones judgment, CCW one does not know and some be slow to act, how fast could you pull from under a coat or out of a purse? side armed? try it.


Actually, it is other posters who seem to think that this is the wild west if a statement includes "how fast could you pull from under a coat."
My position is that CCW with permits is better for reasons I explained. First, states with permits won't recognize those without for reciprocal carry so that, alone, is a good reason to table the legislation. Second, open carry invites those without to acquire firearms from an obvious source or those with to identify and eliminate a potential adversary during a planned event. "Shall issue" CCW states have the right idea. No one knows who is carrying and those that carry don't provide an obvious source of weaponry to anyone who wants to take advantage of someone open carrying as they go about their daily routine. Further, open carry is disturbing to many people and establishments. Open carry in a bar seems to be asking for trouble, and other places will likely be off limits, so there will be many more rules that the proposed legislation will have to impose on people.


reply posted on 12-2-2012 @ 11:59 PM by bekod
reply to post by BulletShogun
you will do just fine when the time comes, why do i know this your no brag a doe sha.


reply posted on 13-2-2012 @ 12:02 AM by bekod
reply to post by pteridine
the next time you in a bar ask your self this how are a CCW how many are "packing" now how many would use it or be in the shape to use it if it came down to it.


reply posted on 13-2-2012 @ 12:37 AM by hawkiye
Originally posted by randomname
"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed".

the second amendment is not to protect peoples right to bear arms but to protect a militia's ability to be armed for the security of the state.

people conveniently ignore the first half of the amendment.

so unless you're in a militia, ready to defend your country, you have no right to a firearm.

edit on 10-2-2012 by randomname because: (no reason given)


Big Sigh! You should look up the meaning of a "comma" in the English language. Then after that you might want to try studying some history on what the founders (you know the guys who wrote the constitution) had to say about the peoples individual right to keep and bear arms. Then you might want to contemplate the fact that the constitution does not grant any rights it simply illustrates rights the exist inherently. Then you might want to ask yourself if the first amendment right to free speech is an individual right and are all the others listed in the bill of rights individual rights. Then ask yourself why if all of them are individual rights does it make any sense that the second amendment would be an exception.

If you do all those things sincerely it might possibly prevent you in the future from making completely asinine stupid and ridiculous statements like the one quoted above and embarrassing yourself profusely.


reply posted on 13-2-2012 @ 12:50 AM by Honor93
Originally posted by Kenrichaed
reply to post by texas thinker


The Constitution was written to give the Federal Government more power not less.

where did you get that ridiculous idea? ^^^
if this is what you believe, you'd be seriously mistaken.
the US Constitution specifically restricts the authority of government.
it does not give it more power, it limits and or restricts it, explicitly.


reply posted on 13-2-2012 @ 08:48 AM by pteridine
Originally posted by bekod
reply to post by pteridine
the next time you in a bar ask your self this how are a CCW how many are "packing" now how many would use it or be in the shape to use it if it came down to it.



What is your point?
I would say that taking a firearm into a gin mill should be prohibited. Booze facilitates bad decision making and amplifies the emotions. Note how many drunks think that they can safely drive themselves home and manage to kill others on the way. Most people in a bar would be in the "shape to use it."
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