It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.

Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.

Thank you.

 

Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.

 

US Marines posed with Nazi symbol in Afghanistan

page: 34
37
<< 31  32  33    35  36  37 >>

log in

join
share:

posted on Feb, 13 2012 @ 05:51 PM
link   

Originally posted by Echo3Foxtrot

Originally posted by Afterthought
Remember, folks. If you can't win a debate, start crying like a baby and proceed to insult those who don't agree with you several times before vowing never to return.




That is not how you win a debate, you troglodyte! I disagree with you because you obviously do not have the brain power to understand that the real way to win a debate is to be completely irrational and repeat everything you say! And how dare you say such vulgar term like "folks."




not a bad example !!

I will have take note of this.




posted on Feb, 13 2012 @ 05:56 PM
link   
what the hell where they thinking they knew god damb well what that means they can act like that but i cant jion the military because i stole a car fifteen years ago it was a stupid young lamebrain idea but these are grwon marines who know what that means sorry now im just babling



posted on Feb, 13 2012 @ 06:03 PM
link   
What's sad is that over there in Afghanistan and Iran and Iraq, i'm sure they'd be more offended to see the American flag coming, than the "SS" flag.

Over here in America, on the other hand, we're simply mad about the Scout Sniper flag seen beneath the American flag.
edit on 13-2-2012 by Qemyst because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 13 2012 @ 06:10 PM
link   
well we all know we went to war with the N.S. and they have a ss flag maybe they are trying to say we are the nazis now ? but i dont think scout snipers are going to start thinking that way i wouldnt i would serve with pride and honor i just feel they could have bein a little more tact ful you know what im sayin
edit on 13-2-2012 by McC556 because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 13 2012 @ 06:29 PM
link   

Originally posted by Corruption Exposed

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by Corruption Exposed
 


Proof positive of being a racist bigot who sees the zionist boogeyman everywhere.

Pretty damn sad.

This being America and all where there are socialists,communists,nazis, and everything else which is what the first Amendment was all about any school of thought can coexist with any other and people are free to take it or leave it.

Only a fascist nazi wouldn't understand that.


I'm the furthest thing to a Fascist or Nazi you will ever meet.

Awwwwwweee!

You're so adorable when you're mad


The sad thing is that you must not know what a fascist Nazi is or you wouldn't be on here acting like a fascist Nazi with a dash of jingoism.

Once again, when all else fails and your opponent's logic cannot be contradicted, you resort to the chants of "racist" and "bigot". We've never seen that tactic before


Keep telling yourself that all i see is bigoted threads about Isreal and defending the nazi homeland Iran.

All i have seen is spreading hatred much like the video below



Run the Zionists are coming the Zionists are coming blah blah blah.


edit on 13-2-2012 by neo96 because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 13 2012 @ 06:37 PM
link   
reply to post by neo96
 




Keep telling yourself that all i see is bigoted threads about Isreal and defending the nazi homeland Iran.


Is this a bigoted thread defending the nazi homeland of Iran? I think you accidentally posted in the wrong forum because the title of the thread is "US Marines posed with Nazi symbol in Afghanistan".

At least you didn't call me a nazi fascist this time



posted on Feb, 13 2012 @ 06:39 PM
link   
reply to post by McC556
 


I get what you're saying, but disagree, and here's why.

The symbol was used by the Nazis. It is also used by the Scout Snipers.

The swastika was used by the Nazis. It is also used in Buddhism, Hinduism, so on and so on.

The skull and crossbones was heavily used by the Nazis. It is also used today by the US military, it's on t-shirts and about a million other places.

The cross (yep, like the one used in religions) was heavily used by the Nazis. It's everywhere today. Why wasn't it too vilified like the "SS" shape, or the Swastika?

If you held up a card of a Swastika in front of a person (even a non 45 degree angled one), and asked them what it reminded them of, there's a pretty good chance they would say Nazis. Meanwhile, on the back of the card, out of sight of the viewer, the word "Eternity" could be written (or something else from another culture), which is what the Buddhists use the symbol to represent.

Now, It was that viewers own decision to associate the symbol with the Nazis. It was not the fault of the person showing them that symbol.

The same holds true with the SS. It stands for scout sniper in this case. If the viewer of that symbol chooses to associate it with Nazis, that's of their own doing.

The viewer of the symbol can immediately jump to the easiest conclusion, which is that a swastika (or the SS) is a Nazi symbol, or they can rationalize it (which I would be expecting more people in this day and age to do) and see the correlation between Scout Sniper and "SS". Lightning bolt shaped S's.. Lightning bolt = incredibly fast and sudden and out of nowhere... A shot from a sniper hitting you.. quick, abrupt.. out of nowhere.. like lightning..


Jumping immediately to silly conclusions is what led to the witch hunts.
"Our crops died, and the last person nearby was that woman! She's a witch!"

...Or, those people could have done their research, taken a little time to figure out why their crops dried, and probably came to a different, more reasonable conclusion. (assuming they were actually able to tell why crops died in a factual manner at that time.)

That's whats happening here.
"A SS IN THE SHAPE OF DOUBLE SIG RUNES! NAZI! KICK THEM OUT OF THE SERVICE SO THAT THEY LOSE THEIR LIVELIHOODS AND MAKE SURE THEY ARE PUBLICLY SHAMED!"

Now before anyone calls me on it, yes, i'm aware that the witch hunts are NOT the same thing as what is going on in this topic. So don't ask me why I call you illiterate if you DO call me on it.

The point i'm making is that people are immediately saying it's a Nazi symbol because it was at one time used by the Nazis. Just like the many people would immediately associate the swastika with Nazis because it was used by Nazis at one point. The fact is, the swastika is still used today in many cultures, and has nothing to do with Nazis. Just like the SS is used today by the Scout Snipers, and has nothing to do with the Nazis, and if people could try to understand WHY the scout snipers are using it, they might not have to make such a big deal about it.

I'm as offended by the Nazis and their ideals as the next guy, but I'm not offended by the symbols they used. Why others are, I can only guess.

.
edit on 13-2-2012 by Qemyst because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 13 2012 @ 08:24 PM
link   
I have never seen that flag in my life until this post. Not something I learned in school. mabey they really didnt know?



posted on Feb, 14 2012 @ 02:09 AM
link   
reply to post by Qemyst
 
you are right well said i like the way you think



posted on Feb, 14 2012 @ 02:09 AM
link   
Excuse-makers for US military thugs have reached a new low in claiming this only means "Scout Sniper". This unit took the imagery straight from the Nazi SchutzStaffel. The SchutzStaffel were considered an elite unit of their day, and they committed atrocities and war crimes across Europe.

There is NOTHING noble about the SS. The militant arm of a racist and diseased mind.

The US should issue a serious apology for allowing their units to pose with such obviously racist symbolism. It's no wonder these same goons are committing war crimes in the Middle East. (like this one or the Haditha Massacre)



posted on Feb, 14 2012 @ 02:54 AM
link   

Originally posted by oxykerfluffle
The SchutzStaffel were considered an elite unit of their day, and they committed atrocities and war crimes across Europe.


Fact.


Originally posted by oxykerfluffle
This unit took the imagery straight from the Nazi SchutzStaffel.


They used imagery that had at one time been used by the SchutzStaffel. It's the meaning of the image that matters in this case, and it more than likely simply meant Scout Sniper, and nothing more.


Originally posted by oxykerfluffle
The US should issue a serious apology for allowing their units to pose with such obviously racist symbolism. It's no wonder these same goons are committing war crimes in the Middle East.


I don't think they should have to. If they don't, they wouldn't be "wrong". If they choose to, then that's fine too.

As I said in another post, I hate Nazis and Nazi ideals as much as the next guy, but I think the people who are offended by it, however, are offended because they WANT to be, not because it comes natural to them. The Nazis have greatly affected my family, like many, but non are offended by any of it, because we would have to go out of our way to be offended by it. In other words, it would be a chore to be offended by it, and would simply make life harder to have something else to be offended by. They know the name of the base and the use of the Scout Sniper flag have nothing to do with the Nazis. That's why I think they couldn't care less. Some people just choose to go out of their way to be offended by these things.
edit on 14-2-2012 by Qemyst because: (no reason given)

edit on 14-2-2012 by Qemyst because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 14 2012 @ 03:45 AM
link   
reply to post by Qemyst
 


those snipers represent the american military , and the american way of life , which is freedom and democracy and liberty to all.
The ss logo , represents everything that america stands against .
So why should they be allowed to use it in the military if its ideology is steeped in the hate which america is trying to remove from the world !

I think thats the point that is being brough up by the military command who have no since banned its use!

fair enough if they want to use it at home because they like the logo and the runes fine , but when its used
so blatantly in the military it should have been called out ages ago !
I think its only getting called now because of public knowledge or the rise in attention due to mass media !

Anyway why shouldnt the public be outraged they pay taxes to the american military and they are there displaying an Icon of the nazi SS .



posted on Feb, 14 2012 @ 04:18 AM
link   
its soooo offensive that these guys are posing in front of an SS flag...however i bet half the people complaining about it wear a torture/execution device around their neck, or proudly display them in their home.

****Crucifixion is an ancient method of painful execution in which the condemned person is tied or nailed to a large wooden cross and left to hang until dead. The term comes from the Latin crucifixio ("fixing to a cross", from the prefix cruci-, from crux ("cross"), + verb figere, "fix or bind fast").*****

interesting how this is acceptable to you but posing in front of such an 'evil' flag is offensive...

If you think about it and you are going on what the 'history' of what the SS stands for..than you must do the same for other things as well, just a thought.



posted on Feb, 14 2012 @ 05:48 AM
link   
Ok since we are taking examples from throughout history to compare to the SS logo used on the flag in defense of the sniper scouts!

lets use an example americans would relate to, which is a drop in the ocean compared to the SS but still
should hold significant emotional response .

Say for example a demolition squad in a foreign army used a picture of two towers being blown up
as their logo for a demo / engineer squad in the army

they wouldnt because its grossly offensive to anyone who lost a family member as a direct result of that action!
therefore those marines and those before them that have used it did so knowing full well that they were using the SS logo , and know full well what it represents.

Why they kept doing it , who knows , but it was wrong and should have been called upon its inception!



posted on Feb, 14 2012 @ 06:31 AM
link   
reply to post by SGTSECRET
 




...however i bet half the people complaining about it wear a torture/execution device around their neck, or proudly display them in their home.


Good thing you're not in Vegas!




posted on Feb, 14 2012 @ 08:07 AM
link   

Originally posted by Corruption Exposed
Just because someone on page one mentioned how "courageous" snipers are, it doesn't mean it's true, and I have explained my opinion on this side issue various times in the thread.


And just because you think they aren't courageous doesn't mean it's true, either.



posted on Feb, 14 2012 @ 10:12 AM
link   

Originally posted by signal2noise

Originally posted by Corruption Exposed
Just because someone on page one mentioned how "courageous" snipers are, it doesn't mean it's true, and I have explained my opinion on this side issue various times in the thread.


And just because you think they aren't courageous doesn't mean it's true, either.



Do you believe that baiting children then sniping them is courageous?



posted on Feb, 14 2012 @ 10:43 AM
link   
Symbols and words are only as powerful as the 'meaning/emotion' behind them.

I highly doubt these young men are Nazi. Nor do I think they have Any love or Respect for the German ' SS ' ..

They took a simple Font for there own use .. no more.. no less..

The 'SS' is NOT a German Exclusive Icon ( as stated by others in this thread ).

We can keep being offended by words or symbols .. or we will just have to wait until these things have No emotional affect on the population.

Until then.. good luck on everything you find offensive..I don't ..

GJ.



posted on Feb, 14 2012 @ 11:01 AM
link   
the S in SS is a rune and its meaning is SUN

but the SS unit where the first to use it as an emblem

and the scout snipers unit knew this very well when they took the SS emblem to to represent them ,
be it a joke or not either way its pretty tasteless

just find it a bit odd its "approved" by the military



posted on Feb, 14 2012 @ 02:20 PM
link   

Originally posted by Corruption Exposed

Originally posted by signal2noise

Originally posted by Corruption Exposed
Just because someone on page one mentioned how "courageous" snipers are, it doesn't mean it's true, and I have explained my opinion on this side issue various times in the thread.


And just because you think they aren't courageous doesn't mean it's true, either.



Do you believe that baiting children then sniping them is courageous?


Prove to me they bait children.
Are you just saying that because you heard what you want to hear out of that video?

Your appeal to emotion is fail.



new topics

top topics



 
37
<< 31  32  33    35  36  37 >>

log in

join