LET ME GUESS YOU ARE OVER HERE RIGHT NOW?

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Originally posted by duality90
I can't think of many symbols which are so inherently associated with evil and brutality. So, in my example, instead of using a negative association, I have chosen to illustrate my point with a positive association with a symbol. The point is that when people see a cross they think 'Jesus' and when people see the Sig runes or the Swastika they think 'National Socialism'.

Hmmm....

I am sure there are those who feel the Christian Cross is inherently evil...........
From Atheists or Pagans,to even Muslims.

Still,it is a symbol that can be interpreted one way or another.

Just look at the Ace of spades. Some view that card as good luck,some view it as the death card. They were placed on the body's of enemy's........

And speaking of cards,are cards now inherently evil because America put out a whole deck of men they wanted to capture or kill in Iraq ?

Right or wrong,these men chose that for a specific name.Their team.

I am a fairly highly aware person when it comes to politics and history...

and the SS on that sign would never have crossed my mind to be indicative of Hitler's SS group.
Swastika? of course it would be obvious...
two letter Ss... come on... easily an innocent mistake.

Wow just goes to show how controlled we are as well really! Well if your awake to the world that is.......

Originally posted by AlonzoTyper
As a WWII vet, I do not appreciate the actions of these young men.

Although I was in the Pacific theatre, the notion that these brave men fighting for our country are proudly standing next to a banner that reminds so many of a very bad time in history is very despicable.

Yet, to these men that banner means little, I do not believe that they put that banner up as a homage to Hitlers SS forces. In their defense, maybe they're just young men who thought it looked tough. Everyone makes stupid decisions from time to time

Remember, history is written by the victors.

Originally posted by Carseller4
Do Nazi's have a copyright on this?

We kicked their arses and if someone (especially Marines) want to use the SS symbol they should go right ahead and do so.

Some people just go out of their way to be offended.

edit on 9-2-2012 by Carseller4 because: (no reason given)

Actually Russia did most of the fighting. You guys entered France in 1944.

I posted earlier and still say that quite possibly the Marine Sniper Squad did not know the underlying historical significance of the SS Germanic Runes.

After reading many of the decriers of the runes and their use historically and psychologically... I'd say many of the ATSers here do not really know the history of the SS runes, WWII, Germany, the role of the USA in WWII, the Russians, the weather, geology, geography, astronomy, ancient history, the Bible, the Torah, the Koran, or much of any thing else that is not on YouTube.

Maybe the use of the SS runes was innocent enough, a really cool and inherently macho symbol of a marine Sniper Squad.

On the other hand... let's say they knew what the SS runes stood for. Frankly, I say go for it. The idea of a flag, a unit symbol... is to strike fear into the enemy at it's first sight. It is psychological in boosting the feeling of superiority..of being a "bad ass MF" on the field of battle. Invincible. The SS did that in WWII and still does that now. Think about it...the Skull and CrossBones was used by pirates in various forms and is still used by military and police units the world ocver...and it was used bu the SS... the Totenkopf.. the 3rd SS panzergrenadier division.

Now based on the logic displayed here...the SS used the skull and crossbones...does that make ECU pirate fans sympathetic to the Nazis? Was Blackbeard the pirate a closet Nazi? Are all the people down on the Pamlico Sound of NC that fly pirate flags white supemicist and Nazis?

The other nazi sympathizers and political units of the national Socialist were the SD... the brown shirts... so is South Dakota a Nazi hideout... lots of blonde haired blue eyed german descendants there...accidental or on purpose?

Frankly, I just think these are a bunch of hard ass young men that stare death in the face everyday and need the mental boost and "pump up" of symbols on the battlefield...a look atmilitary history will show as much in any war.

Originally posted by Thermo Klein
I am a fairly highly aware person when it comes to politics and history...

and the SS on that sign would never have crossed my mind to be indicative of Hitler's SS group.
Swastika? of course it would be obvious...
two letter Ss... come on... easily an innocent mistake.

I hope none of you swastika haters ever go on vacation to India or far east Asia...

Here's a funny fact about traveling in India. If someone, f. ex a cab driver asks you where you're from, tell them you're from Germany. Every once in a while you come across someone who starts to praise Hitler and the Nazis, the swastika flag etc. Many over there view Hitler and the Nazis like history buffs view f. ex Alexander the Great or Julius Caesar; great conquerors and semi-heroes...

Cultural differences, eh?

Originally posted by LifeInDeath
People really should know their history better.

That symbol represents millions of people murdered: Russian and Ukrainian peasants who were slaughtered in literally uncountable millions, 10-12 million political prisoners, Jews, Romany and other "undesirables" in the concentration camps.

I doubt they were trying to give homage to the Nazi SS (at least I hope they weren't), but to not know something that should be such basic, common knowledge of history is pretty unforgivable in other ways.

Millions of people murdered don't need a symbol. It stands for itself.