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US Marines posed with Nazi symbol in Afghanistan

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posted on Feb, 10 2012 @ 12:19 PM
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As a WWII vet, I do not appreciate the actions of these young men.

Although I was in the Pacific theatre, the notion that these brave men fighting for our country are proudly standing next to a banner that reminds so many of a very bad time in history is very despicable.

Yet, to these men that banner means little, I do not believe that they put that banner up as a homage to Hitlers SS forces. In their defense, maybe they're just young men who thought it looked tough. Everyone makes stupid decisions from time to time




posted on Feb, 10 2012 @ 12:21 PM
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A little secret:

Symbolism is what you make of it. That flag only looks nazi to the people who are scared of it.

Why don't people look at that and see "Shaving shame"? Or "saving seals"...?

"Smell snakes"..."suck sauce"..."sausage slicer".

Why? Why does it have to be nazi? Because it looks that way? Do you know the amount of things that are similar to bad ones that you use every single day?

To me, all this discussion only has one conclusion:

That people have too much free time on their hands and minds, and too much ignorance and frustration trapped waiting to be unleashed.

And by the way, if you cared to read my first post, you would know I'm not justifying nor apologizing for what these guys did.

I just don't go ranging in forums calling for "justice" like I have a sense of superiority stuck up my azz.
edit on 10/2/12 by Tifozi because: typo



posted on Feb, 10 2012 @ 12:21 PM
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Originally posted by Duceis
One of many reasons I'd never join the military in any fashion is because of covered up racism.

I'm not surprised at all LOL.
Just because these guys are marine or soldiers doesn't make them any smarter.


Wow when I was in the military I saw much less racism than in the civil world, none actually.

Black people working and fighting happily alongside white people, something about the possibility of dying makes you forget about stupid things like that.



posted on Feb, 10 2012 @ 12:23 PM
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Alonzo I would give you fifty stars for that post if I could.



posted on Feb, 10 2012 @ 12:26 PM
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I think it's more ironic that they pose in front of Nazi flags when they're the ones pushing a Zionist agenda.



posted on Feb, 10 2012 @ 12:29 PM
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since when does the UN have to sanction wars, because if you ask me the UN is one of the worst things to come about and is responsible for more American deaths overs seas because of there rules of engagement, i understand you don't know what its like to actually serve your country honorably because it seems like you just like to bash everything from behind your computer safe and sound, and you probably don't have the balls to go through Parris Island or MCRD. now your probably going to say that you were in some branch which i will high disagree with because anyone who has ever served wouldn't attack their own like that

as for these guys with there picture, thats all it is a PICTURE who are they hurting with this picture, some jews i doubt it. its hurting nobody.



posted on Feb, 10 2012 @ 12:31 PM
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Originally posted by Tifozi
Why don't people look at that and see "Shaving shame"? Or "saving seals"...?

"Smell snakes"..."suck sauce"..."sausage slicer".

Why? Why does it have to be nazi? Because it looks that way?

That people have too much free time on their hands and minds, and too much ignorance and frustration trapped waiting to be unleashed.


Ill tell you why, because when people see those symbols they see this:



The Ignorance you speak of is in not being able to understand that.

I cant say anymore than that.

cs out.


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posted on Feb, 10 2012 @ 12:34 PM
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Americans love Nazi stuff, they think it's cool.

Just compare how they changed their uniforms after WW2, especially the helmets, so they look almost like an exact copy of the German ones.

The skull was another symbol on the Waffen SS uniforms, and I doubt it's a coincidence that the dude on the first page of this thread wears a baseball cap with a skull. He's in love with the 3rd Reich.



posted on Feb, 10 2012 @ 12:35 PM
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Maybe because they are RUNES, Einstein, and not simple letters.

Go read a history book.



posted on Feb, 10 2012 @ 12:38 PM
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You see what you want to see.

Someone already mentioned the example of the american band "KISS".

Their logo actually had the same 2 S's people are arguing in here. Yet, they reached "Top 100" bands.

Funny isn't it? That nobody mentions this over a musical band, and we are discussing this 2 S's under other context because it was being used by the military.

Kiss even had a movement called "Kiss army", and their logo still had the 2 S's drawn like the SS logo.

but whatever. Apparently people who don't let prejudice cloud their judgment are the ones being ignorant.



posted on Feb, 10 2012 @ 12:41 PM
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Just compare how they changed their uniforms after WW2, especially the helmets, so they look almost like an exact copy of the German ones.


Yes, it had nothing to do with the fact that the helmets used by the germans protected more head than the ones used by americans.

No. It's because it looked like what the nazi's used.



The skull was another symbol on the Waffen SS uniforms, and I doubt it's a coincidence that the dude on the first page of this thread wears a baseball cap with a skull. He's in love with the 3rd Reich.


Yes. Because a skull isn't like... a part of the human body that depicts death or any other meaning. No, of course not. It's because it was used by the nazis.

Nazis also used toilet paper. Should we ban that too? Or are we becoming racist because we have hygiene?


Maybe because they are RUNES, Einstein, and not simple letters.

Go read a history book.


Yes. And you know a lot of history because you have an old grainy picture as avatar. Of course. Stupid me.

EDITED to add:

Since you said that another member used a skull in a cap is no coincidence since the SS also used a skull...

Does that mean that Shakespeare was a raging racist? He provably was, since one of his best pieces is while holding an actual skull.

Damn, I just realized. We are all nazis.

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posted on Feb, 10 2012 @ 12:42 PM
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Did you ever consider posting pictures of people killed in the holocaust is a LOT more offensive than a freaking SS flag that isn't really even an SS flag? Your whole point revolves around their flag allegedly symbolizing all those deaths, yet you go and post them here? Can we stop with all the dead body propaganda now, I'm getting sick of it.

No, the "SS" on the sniper units flag does not bother me.

Yes, you are beginning to bother me. You are posting stuff a lot more offensive than the stupid thing you are trying to preach against. If you had any respect for life and these people (which I'm assuming is your whole reason for protesting this flag), you wouldn't be posting these unless it was just to troll.
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posted on Feb, 10 2012 @ 12:48 PM
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Noted and removed. I am upset over the sympathy being offered to these solders and I got carried away. I am sorry for offending you or any else. To me the offense is in forgetting the impetus behind the symbolism and in so doing devaluing the millions of people and families that suffered beneath them which is not stupid at all.

Even though I pulled them down, I don't see posting those images as denigrating or disrespectful. No more so than they would be in any history book or documentary. That Happened. It should not be forgotten.


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posted on Feb, 10 2012 @ 12:55 PM
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I am upset over the sympathy being offered to these solders and I guess I got carried away.


You didn't answer to me, but since you toned down, I will answer in a suiting manner.

You have a right to an opinion. You have a right to be hurt, offended and outraged by things. I don't take away that from you. What I don't agree with is demonizing subjects. If people get too carried away over things like this, how are we going to solve worlds problems? It starts from within, and we don't need to sympathize with other peoples mistakes. We just need to calm down and see things for what they are. This was a bad call, nothing more, nothing less.


To me the offense is in forgetting the impetus behind the symbolism and in so doing devaluing the people and families that suffered beneath them.


So honor them by respecting their memories and the memory of their loved ones. Don't start this type of arguments over a stupid flag that had nothing to do with the SS.

They made a mistake, they are trying to cover it up. Like any other person does with a gaffe. It happens all the time. Just the other day some minister (I think it was greek) said "since temperatures are dropping, homeless people who are more vulnerable, shouldn't leave their homes".

See? That is really offensive. Saying to homeless people to stay inside? It's outrageous. But it was a gaffe. What she meant was that poor people, without access to proper heating should avoid leaving their homes.

This stuff happens all the time.

Your correct attitude is appreciated. Really.



posted on Feb, 10 2012 @ 12:55 PM
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Originally posted by clowdstalker
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Noted and removed. I am upset over the sympathy being offered to these solders and I guess I got carried away. I am sorry for offending you or any else. To me the offense is in forgetting the impetus behind the symbolism and in so doing devaluing the people and families that suffered beneath them.


You didn't offend me, I know what happened to those people back then. It's done, over with. Sorry I over reacted to what seemed like a contradiction to me.

The snipers in that picture are not Nazis, that is reality. They did not kill the people in those pictures, they have nothing to do with the Nazi SS. The flag is pointless and irrelevant, complaining about it only stretches mourning of those people. The flag itself doesn't do anything, everything that happens is in your head.

Someone complained, they changed the flag, done. Now I'm just complaining about people complaining. This is all pointless and has served to remind more people of the holocaust than the actual sniper unit flag probably did.
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posted on Feb, 10 2012 @ 01:00 PM
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Well I will probably get flamed for this, but our nations actions abroad are not much different then the Nazis war for conquest.


But the SS flag would be more fitting for the Department of Homeland Security.



posted on Feb, 10 2012 @ 01:06 PM
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posted on Feb, 10 2012 @ 01:13 PM
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Originally posted by thedarktower
thats no mistake, everyone knows that that type of s s means Nazi


Most of the people here are not old enough to know about the SS insignia.
Most of those men are not old enough to know about the SS insignia.
Nor were most of those here and in that picture taught in school much about the Nazi's.
That is the danger of schools no longer teaching history or history being ignored by the public and the masses.
Those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it.
These men did not know about the SS insignia because they were never taught about it in schools.
Isn't that what many people want: to re-write or forget things that happened?
Many of the people here deny the holocaust because certain groups are trying to rewrite history. That is why Eisenhower had so many pictures taken of the camps. As he said, some son-of-a bitch, will come along and deny it.

The result of the picture is what you have achieved...lack of knowledge.



posted on Feb, 10 2012 @ 01:16 PM
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Pure ignorance....and I'm not just talking about the Marines but also some of the posts in this thread.

The negative connotations of those twin lightning bolts would be enough for any rational, intelligent person to think twice before posing in front of them.



posted on Feb, 10 2012 @ 01:27 PM
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The SS true heroes of WW2, they fought Communism and International Jewry(Zionism). Sorry but I never bought into the propaganda taught to me in high school by some limp wristed Marxist. Zionism is once again pushing for another world war, just as they have done before. Sorry I am not some PC ass kissing commie, I have to talk plainly and call it as I see it. I know that all the Marxists are going to be mad, but I hate to be the one to tell you that all the feel good bull# that you were taught about WW2 in school from the American point of view is nothing but half truths at best. There where many different factions of SS during the war and they were not all Germans.



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