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US Marines posed with Nazi symbol in Afghanistan

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posted on Feb, 10 2012 @ 09:04 AM
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Marines are made into killing machines, they are not rocket scientists (although some may be). It could be a mistake. A very stupid "duh" mistake but who knows.




posted on Feb, 10 2012 @ 09:19 AM
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Meh, if people are able to flaunt around with the hammer & sickle, why shouldn't they be able to do this....

No, I'm not a nazi, and it is stupid as hell to do something like that.



posted on Feb, 10 2012 @ 09:21 AM
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As long as they know they are fighting for the Jews...



posted on Feb, 10 2012 @ 09:21 AM
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Marines don't know basic WW2 history?



posted on Feb, 10 2012 @ 09:25 AM
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You’re missing your very own point here. WERE real. Notice the past tense there?

Besides, this is all a moot point. In twenty years time all you older folks will have passed on and the legends and meanings behind these types of symbols would have perished along with you.

Leave the past in the past, you bunch of sour elderberries.

reply to post by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
 

So, I assume if you were threatened to join the Third Reich or face a penalty of death you'd choose "death, please" because your such a good Samaritan you value a strangers life over your own? The majority who were unfortunate enough to join the SS did so not out of option, but because they excelled at their position - of staying alive! If you were offered the promotion back then, you'd daren’t turn it down.

They did what they had to.



posted on Feb, 10 2012 @ 09:27 AM
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If they believed that the SS meant Sniper Scout, then maybe they've been exposed to it before in that context.

Where did the flag come from? Was if theirs?



posted on Feb, 10 2012 @ 09:28 AM
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Originally posted by RealSpoke
Marines don't know basic WW2 history?


Maybe not?? But im sure marines recieve history lessons.
But there are some in the government (and ex government) who's loyalties lie with the loosing side in WWII.
Maybe this time they're determined not to loose.
The Third Riech may have fallen but thousands of the top men escaped aided by the red cross, the Argentinian goverment and the vatican.
Juan Perons goverment gave Berlin 3000 blank passports.
ODESSA helped many to start anew and they've been lying in wait for 60 years.
Just look up George Bush's grandfather..who bankrolled the nazi party and was busted trying to sell the luftwaffe fuel.
edit on 10-2-2012 by andy1972 because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 10 2012 @ 09:28 AM
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Yep . Its official. Nobody thinks hard on why they do what they do..



posted on Feb, 10 2012 @ 09:36 AM
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Originally posted by RSF77
I wasn't defending these soldiers using whatever symbolism they want to, just telling the rest of you maniacs what it is in reality: A piece of cloth, that's it. I'm not going to follow you into an argument about the holocaust.

Basically what I am saying is there are a lot more important things to worry about than this, things that are real and not symbols.


I thought that I just explained it to you that this is a lot more than just a "piece of cloth".

Regardless of what your opinion is, this SS symbolism was adopted by US marines deployed in Afghanistan. They plead ignorance, basically stating that "we thought SS stood for scout snipers so we used the symbols because they looked cool". I don't know about you, but I'm pretty damn sure that they are lying through their teeth for a reason.

And I'll state it again, flags and symbols are all-important in times of political conflict. You fight to expand the borders of your cause, symbolized by that flag. You national cause means absolutely jack sh*t unless you bring a flag to stake your claim, and in bringing that flag you are committing to its purpose.

And this is particularily alarming because of how Nazis are praised in the US. It is neo-nazism that thrives in backwoods America, which is a farcry from the nationalists imperatives of classical German Nazism. When I see Americans (or anybody on this side of the world) waving Nazi flags around, then they are doing it for the sake of white supremacy. Seeing this extend to blatant force in a war against people of a different race is highly disturbing, especially when one considers what conditions exist to allow this to even happen.


thisguyrighthere-
The American is flag is just a piece of cloth. Every flag is. Burn it, stomp it, use it to wipe your ass. What do I care?


The liberal idealism is nice and all, but really doesn't have a strong basis in established reality. Flags are extremely important. Symbols are extremely important. Without them or against them, we surrender our own autonomy to other countries that stand united behind their own symbols.

There's a reason why flagbearers come standard in wars- they carry the flag instead of a gun. They are priority targets because as so as they place their flag on your territory, it is theirs (backed up by an army behind them).



posted on Feb, 10 2012 @ 09:43 AM
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US Marines posed with Nazi symbol in Afghanistan


So?



posted on Feb, 10 2012 @ 09:45 AM
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Originally posted by TrixXxtaR
reply to post by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
 

So, I assume if you were threatened to join the Third Reich or face a penalty of death you'd choose "death, please" because your such a good Samaritan you value a strangers life over your own? The majority who were unfortunate enough to join the SS did so not out of option, but because they excelled at their position - of staying alive! If you were offered the promotion back then, you'd daren’t turn it down.

They did what they had to.


"Unfortunately enough to join the SS", what are you talking about?


The SS were the German elite shock force. You didn't get shoved into it- it was a position of excellence among the Nazis that was strived for. Like I said, in order to even apply for the SS you need to prove your Aryan ancestry through documentation. Then the training itself was special forces level.

The SS were not German regulars. They were professional Nazis who worked directly under the imperatives of the Third Reich brass- Himmler was the SS commander (and Hitler was Himmler's commander). Their selection went far beyond their survival capability too- their training dissensitized them so they wouldn't have moral quarrels over carrying out their orders, most paramount being their extensive role in running concentration/death camps and hunting down resistance fighters.

In their training, they were each given puppies as companions to take care of. At the end of training, they ordered to snap their dogs' necks without remorse. These are what the SS are. There's a reason why their dress uniforms were black leather.



posted on Feb, 10 2012 @ 09:46 AM
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could this be a simple case of trying to instill fear in ones enemy? Im not saying I find it appropriate just saying maybe they want to be feared and associating oneself to the most notorious death squad in modern history....

ps false flag



posted on Feb, 10 2012 @ 09:54 AM
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Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi

Originally posted by TrixXxtaR
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So, I assume if you were threatened to join the Third Reich or face a penalty of death you'd choose "death, please" because your such a good Samaritan you value a strangers life over your own? The majority who were unfortunate enough to join the SS did so not out of option, but because they excelled at their position - of staying alive! If you were offered the promotion back then, you'd daren’t turn it down.

They did what they had to.


"Unfortunately enough to join the SS", what are you talking about?


The SS were the German elite shock force. You didn't get shoved into it- it was a position of excellence among the Nazis that was strived for. Like I said, in order to even apply for the SS you need to prove your Aryan ancestry through documentation. Then the training itself was special forces level.

The SS were not German regulars. They were professional Nazis who worked directly under the imperatives of the Third Reich brass- Himmler was the SS commander (and Hitler was Himmler's commander). Their selection went far beyond their survival capability too- their training dissensitized them so they wouldn't have moral quarrels over carrying out their orders, most paramount being their extensive role in running concentration/death camps and hunting down resistance fighters.

In their training, they were each given puppies as companions to take care of. At the end of training, they ordered to snap their dogs' necks without remorse. These are what the SS are. There's a reason why their dress uniforms were black leather.


Is that last bit true? I've read quite alot about the SS (the political wing) and the Waffen-SS (don't confuse the two, as they performed very separate roles), but have never heard of that before.

In any case. I don't think the Waffen-SS furnished the Einsatzgruppen formations that did the mobile massacres in Eastern Europe (I think that was the general SS which was more widely involved in political policy than it was in pure warfare), but the general (or 'Allgemeine SS') did furnish the Totenkopf/'Death's Head' formations that were responsible for carrying out the organized liquidation in the camps - the holocaust as most people know and think of it.

Regardless of what the intention was, I think it is inappropriate for the marine corps to use the symbols of an organization that was objectively pretty awful.



posted on Feb, 10 2012 @ 09:55 AM
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Originally posted by Maponos
could this be a simple case of trying to instill fear in ones enemy? Im not saying I find it appropriate just saying maybe they want to be feared and associating oneself to the most notorious death squad in modern history....

ps false flag


I don't think many people in the Near or Far east know that much in detail about WW2 in Europe because they never experienced any of the Holocaust or associated activities in their nations. In most Asian or arab nations, WW2 in the European theater is just seen as a war without a greater understanding of the politics behind it.

In any case, it's still a bit silly. I'm not sure we would find it appropriate to use the national socialist flag or the emblem of the KKK.



posted on Feb, 10 2012 @ 09:55 AM
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At least it's not a swatztika.

Don't brush the entire US marines with a nazi brush.

They are doing great work over there.



posted on Feb, 10 2012 @ 10:07 AM
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For all those who think that we Marines have no clue of WW2 history you are wrong. But you must remember that the Marines fought in the pacific theatre of war so our main focus is on that aspect of it. All you who are bashing us military people on this thread, take a look at this.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Maybe that will make you think before you all attack, thanks.



posted on Feb, 10 2012 @ 10:08 AM
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So what do you want to do... Hang them, fine them?


And I'll state it again, flags and symbols are all-important in times of political conflict. You fight to expand the borders of your cause, symbolized by that flag. You national cause means absolutely jack sh*t unless you bring a flag to stake your claim, and in bringing that flag you are committing to its purpose.


I don't think so, it's a just a symbol people kill each other over. I don't see any reason why a nation could choose not to have a flag, honestly having a guidon fly a banner is a pair of wasted hands. There is not only one unique interpretation of nationalism, rather everyone has their own view of what their country means to them and this isn't because of a flag, the flag is just the symbol of it.

What does that have to do with anything anyways? The SS flag isn't the banner of the United States, it's for this particular sniper team. Because a military unit chooses an aggressive SS banner that somehow means it has something to do with our "national cause"? (



posted on Feb, 10 2012 @ 10:15 AM
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Originally posted by usmc0311
For all those who think that we Marines have no clue of WW2 history you are wrong. But you must remember that the Marines fought in the pacific theatre of war so our main focus is on that aspect of it. All you who are bashing us military people on this thread, take a look at this.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Maybe that will make you think before you all attack, thanks.


Yes, some people are just looking for a reason to smear the US military.

I think 99.9% of our veterans are great citizens and deserve our thanks.


Our military is doing a great job in Afghanistan.



posted on Feb, 10 2012 @ 10:15 AM
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Originally posted by r3axion
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Why, because it's a smart design that provides ear protection?

Give me a break


And WHAT, it took 40-50 years, for the US army to adopt. Yea, very smart indeed. Wake up will ya!
Also let me state, I dont dislike the US army, just the zionist leaders that control them. Their making them look more like the fourth reich, everyday.



posted on Feb, 10 2012 @ 10:16 AM
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Yeah, the puppy story is true. Learned it in a few classes I've been in from multiple instructors. The Waffen-SS weren't the only ones to do this either- US sponsored death squads in South America, especially in Nicaragua/Guatemala through the 70s-80s, were reported to have to kill dogs by biting their necks out during training... but then again, these guys ended up terrorizing millions through tactics like smashing babies onto rocks or posting decapitated heads all over the countryside.

And yes, you are right about the difference between the political wing and the Waffen-SS (to be honest, not many people seem to be all the book-learned on the Nazis so I rarely bother to put much effort in). Overall, both SS wings were essentially under the same mandate- they were the Aryans of the Nazi Empire, and so they did the "core" work. This is how I choose to perceive the SS, as being an overall political-military (and virtually occultic) force exclusive to the Third Reich.

The Waffen-SS were the special forces that I was describing the training of. The Totemkopf were, as you described, as being the arm of the Nazi political brass who worked on the Holocaust behind the scenes. My original point was that in even considering these two political/military wings of the SS, admittence to the SS itself was way different than just regular military duty.




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