Mother Jones: "Most of Obama's "Controversial" Birth Control Rule Was Law During Bush Years", page
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Topic started on 9-2-2012 @ 02:34 PM by negativenihil
Well well well... What have we here?

motherjones.com...

In December 2000, the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission ruled that companies that provided prescription drugs to their employees but didn't provide birth control were in violation of Title VII of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, which prevents discrimination on the basis of sex. That opinion, which the George W. Bush administration did nothing to alter or withdraw when it took office the next month, is still in effect today—and because it relies on Title VII of the Civil Rights Act, it applies to all employers with 15 or more employees. Employers that don't offer prescription coverage or don't offer insurance at all are exempt, because they treat men and women equally—but under the EEOC's interpretation of the law, you can't offer other preventative care coverage without offering birth control coverage, too.


So in the rush to blame President Obama... we've overlooked the fact that this law is nothing new.

Crow anyone?
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reply posted on 9-2-2012 @ 03:00 PM by DarkKnight76
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So who's rights are more important, a non-catholic individual that works at a catholic hospital, or the non-taxpaying catholic church? If they get public money, they must abide by the country's constitution, if they don't want public money, then refuse it and save us a dime. Yes, I know, the non-catholic doesn't have to work at the catholic hospital.


reply posted on 9-2-2012 @ 03:00 PM by negativenihil
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But the central mandate—that most employers have to cover preventative care for women—has been law for over a decade. This point has been completely lost in the current controversy, as Republican presidential candidates and social conservatives claim that Obama has launched a war on religious liberty and the Catholic Church.



reply posted on 9-2-2012 @ 03:22 PM by jibeho
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I think the folks over at Mother Jones are hitting the hash pipe a little to often at times. The Obamacare Mandate goes above and beyond that which is mentioned in the article (the birth control pill). The Obama mandate includes, sterilizations and the morning after pill as well and that it should ALL be FREE of charge. Let's just call it Obama's sterilization-contraception-abortifacient mandate.

The mandate violates the First Amendment and the Administrative Procedure Act. Mother Jones is lost in left field once again.

Confusion sets in....
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reply posted on 9-2-2012 @ 03:27 PM by charles1952
Guys! Slow down. Can we take this one step at a time? All I posted was that the article said the Obamacare regulation was no big change from the EEOC regulation. I disagree with the article, here's why.

The Obamacare regulations, whether they're good or bad can not be escaped without having to pay a large fine. The Church is being told "The State will tell you that you have to violate your religious beliefs, and if you don't we'll fine you."

With the EEOC regulations (as described above) the State tells the Church "If you don't want to violate your religious beliefs, you don't have to, just drop prescription drug coverage, or all insurance whatsoever."

It seems to me there is a big difference between the two, do you agree?

If there is no difference between the two, why did the Bishops get all angry about this when they have never been angry about it before, publicly supported Obamacare, and had 55% of their flock vote for Obama?

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If you're still with me, let's look at rights. What is the most accurate description of the right of the Catholic hospital worker. To me it seems that it is the right to have some one else pay for at least part of your health care. Please tell me what I am missing, but that doesn't seem to be a constitutional right.

What is the most accurate description of the right of the Church? The right to exercise their religious beliefs, First Amendment stuff.

Again, I may be misinterpreting. Please give me a clearer, more precise definition of the rights involved which I may have overlooked.


reply posted on 10-2-2012 @ 11:29 PM by ThirdEyeofHorus
Originally posted by jibeho
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I think the folks over at Mother Jones are hitting the hash pipe a little to often at times. The Obamacare Mandate goes above and beyond that which is mentioned in the article (the birth control pill). The Obama mandate includes, sterilizations and the morning after pill as well and that it should ALL be FREE of charge. Let's just call it Obama's sterilization-contraception-abortifacient mandate.

The mandate violates the First Amendment and the Administrative Procedure Act. Mother Jones is lost in left field once again.

Confusion sets in....
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Good call. depopulation at it's best in the guise of "for your own good".


reply posted on 11-2-2012 @ 03:56 PM by links234
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They call that socialism. Americans hate socialism...but love it at the same time.


reply posted on 11-2-2012 @ 08:52 PM by desert
Originally posted by charles1952
The Obamacare regulations, whether they're good or bad can not be escaped without having to pay a large fine. The Church is being told "The State will tell you that you have to violate your religious beliefs, and if you don't we'll fine you."


Yes, I think this is where the 2000 decision met up with Obamacare 2010.

The compromise should suffice, and
Catholics United nails the Bishops' outrage as being a useful political tool:

“The Catholic bishops and their allies in the Republican Party are increasingly isolated in their desire to rescind the Obama Administration's compromise regulation affecting contraception services and religious liberty. Most of the leading Catholic institutions affected by the rule agree that the Administration is acting in good faith and is invested in drafting a workable solution acceptable by all parties. The bishop's blanket opposition appears the serve the interests of a political agenda, not the needs of the America people.”


Next thing you know you'll have some conservative Catholic Republican presidential candidate spouting crazy stuff like this..

They are taking faith and crushing it. Why? Why? When you marginalize faith in America, when you remove the pillar of God-given rights, then what’s left is the French Revolution. What’s left is the government that gives you right, what’s left are no unalienable rights, what’s left is a government that will tell you who you are, what you’ll do and when you’ll do it. What’s left in France became the guillotine. Ladies and gentlemen, we’re a long way from that, but if we do and follow the path of President Obama and his overt hostility to faith in America, then we are headed down that road.


From Santorum's Texas townhall speech 2-8-12


reply posted on 11-2-2012 @ 09:30 PM by madhatr137
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It's called political jujitsu.
Anticipating the opponents reaction and setting them up to be exposed.

Will the Conservatives' predictable reaction win them favor with women or moderate/independent voters? No.

There are going to be a lot of executive orders and action in the coming months designed to repeatedly remind the silent majority of Americans(Moderates) who is, more, on their side trying to move this nation forward and who is trying to drag us backwards.
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