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Updated: 11:14 a.m. ET -- Deadly attacks on Iranian nuclear scientists are being carried out by an Iranian dissident group that is financed, trained and armed by Israel’s secret service, U.S. officials tell NBC News, confirming charges leveled by Iran’s leaders. ROCK CENTER EXCLUSIVE The group, the People’s Mujahedin of Iran, has long been designated as a terrorist group by the United States, accused of killing American servicemen and contractors in the 1970s and supporting the takeover of the U.S. Embassy in Tehran before breaking with the Iranian mullahs in 1980. The attacks, which have killed five Iranian nuclear scientists since 2007 and may have destroyed a missile research and development site, have been carried out in dramatic fashion, with motorcycle-borne assailants often attaching small magnetic bombs to the exterior of the victims’ cars. U.S. officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, said the Obama administration is aware of the assassination campaign but has no direct involvement.
Originally posted by Fitch303
So essentially what's happening is the Israeli gov is training/funding Iranian domestic dissident groups to carry out several assassinations on people associated with Irans nuclear development.
In the case of Roshan, the bomb appears to have been a shaped charge that directed all the explosive power inside the vehicle, killing him and his bodyguard driver but leaving nearby traffic unaffected.
Call them assassins all you want, but don't call them terrorists. Had this been an Islamic attack on an "infidel" target, they would have blown up the whole car or targeted him in a busy market without regard for civilian casualties.
The use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims
Israel tries as hard as it can to avoid civilian casualties while fighting for her very existence. The same can not be said for their radical Islamic foes.
Originally posted by OldCorp
Originally posted by Fitch303
So essentially what's happening is the Israeli gov is training/funding Iranian domestic dissident groups to carry out several assassinations on people associated with Irans nuclear development.
Good. It's a step short of war, which I think we all agree would be catastrophic for a LOT of people besides Iran and Israel. I particularly liked this part:
In the case of Roshan, the bomb appears to have been a shaped charge that directed all the explosive power inside the vehicle, killing him and his bodyguard driver but leaving nearby traffic unaffected.
Call them assassins all you want, but don't call them terrorists. Had this been an Islamic attack on an "infidel" target, they would have blown up the whole car or targeted him in a busy market without regard for civilian casualties.
How can people see facts like this and still call Israel "barbaric?" I've been watching the Middle East all of my life and, objectively, Israel tries as hard as it can to avoid civilian casualties while fighting for her very existence. The same can not be said for their radical Islamic foes.edit on 2/9/2012 by OldCorp because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by CALGARIAN
Do we get all our links from GLP or do they get them from us? lol
Originally posted by OldCorp
Call them assassins all you want, but don't call them terrorists. Had this been an Islamic attack on an "infidel" target, they would have blown up the whole car or targeted him in a busy market without regard for civilian casualties.
Originally posted by OldCorp
Call them assassins all you want, but don't call them terrorists. Had this been an Islamic attack on an "infidel" target, they would have blown up the whole car or targeted him in a busy market without regard for civilian casualties.
How can people see facts like this and still call Israel "barbaric?" I've been watching the Middle East all of my life and, objectively, Israel tries as hard as it can to avoid civilian casualties while fighting for her very existence. The same can not be said for their radical Islamic foes.edit on 2/9/2012 by OldCorp because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by MrWendal
I don't know how people can see facts like this and openly support Israel.
The US's policy regarding "Terrorist" is very clear. Our Policy is that if you sponsor terrorist, if you harbor terrorist or if you support terrorist, you are as guilty as the terrorist. Now that Israel is using a group that has been labeled a "Terrorist" organization, you dont think we can call what they are doing "terrorism"?
Imam Abdul Hadi Palazzi, leader of Italian Muslim Assembly and a co-founder and a co-chairman of the Islam-Israel Fellowship, quotes the Qur'an to support Judaism's special connection to the Temple Mount. According to Palazzi, "The most authoritative Islamic sources affirm the Temples,". He adds that Jerusalem is sacred to Muslims because of its prior holiness to Jews and its standing as home to the biblical prophets and kings David and Solomon, all of whom he says are sacred figures also in Islam. He claims that the Qur'an "expressly recognizes that Jerusalem plays the same role for Jews that Mecca has for Muslims".[4]
When asked what the Qur'an says about the State of Israel, Palazzi replied:
"The Qur'an cannot deal with the State of Israel as we know it today, since that State came into existing in 1948 only, i.e. many centuries after the Qur'an itself was revealed. However, the Qur'an specify that the Land of Israel is the homeland of the Jewish people, that God Himself gave that Land to them as heritage and ordered them to live therein. It also announces that - before the end of the time - the Jewish people will come from many different countries to retake possession of that heritage of theirs. Whoever denies this actually denies the Qur'an itself. If he is not a scholar, and in good faith believes what other people say about this issue, he is an ignorant Muslim. If, on the contrary, he is informed about what the Qur'an and openly opposes it, he ceases to be a Muslim.[59]
Prof. Khaleel Mohammed, Islamic Law scholar of the San Diego State University, noted that Sura 5 verse 21 of the Qur'an, and the medieval exegetes of the Qur'an, say that Israel belongs to the Jews. He translates it thus:
"[Moses said]: O my people! Enter the Holy Land which God has written for you, and do not turn tail, otherwise you will be losers." Mohammed here understands "written" to mean this is the final word from God on the subject. In reaction, he was inundated with hate mail.[5]
The Quran, chapter 17 (Al-Isra), verse 104:
“And thereafter We [Allah] said to the Children of Israel: 'Dwell securely in the Promised Land. And when the last warning will come to pass, we will gather you together in a mingled crowd.— translated by Unknown”
The Quran, chapter 5 (Al-Ma'ida), verse 20-107:
“ And [remember] when Moses said to his people: 'O my people, ... enter the Holy Land which God has assigned unto you, and turn not back ignominiously, for then will ye be overthrown, to your own ruin.— translated by Unknown
Originally posted by Monts
Honestly, I'd prefer this kind of conflict to missles flying over the desert.
Originally posted by Tw0Sides
Originally posted by Monts
Honestly, I'd prefer this kind of conflict to missles flying over the desert.
I agree.
Lets put the Heads of Mossad/Revolutionary Guard in the Octagon.
Five rounds , winner gets the belt.