Mass-arrest attempt on video - proof that CA riot police are the ones inciting violence

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posted on Feb, 9 2012 @ 07:38 AM
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pretty good narration by the guy filming out his apartment _..



there are only four entrance points to the square, and the police have all four blocked off. Everyone is trapped/kettled, and if ordered to disperse, can't go anywhere.
That tactic was ruled to be illegal last year in the UK, for reasons obvious to anyone with a brain... You KNOW what to expect to happen when you force someone into a corner. You're not preventing anything by doing it, you're the cause of that known result.

Kettling of G20 protesters by police was illegal, high court rules
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posted on Feb, 9 2012 @ 08:21 AM
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I love the power of citizen journalists. I hope one of the lawyers at Occupy Oakland (?) is able to use this video. I normally wouldn't support the tearing down of a fence as it's destruction of property but I cheered inside when I saw that, it kinda left the cops standing around scratching their heads. In my opinion the protesters had no choice, and in a way they were following police orders to disperse...it was the only way they could go without threat to their personal safety, considering flash bangs or smoke bombs were being hurled at them.

Unfortunately this will be calculated into the tactics in future scenarios.



posted on Feb, 9 2012 @ 09:23 AM
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Honestly, I expected the guys on the camels to ride in any moment. It's like Tahrir all over again, before the cameras showed up. Won't see that kind of video on the teevee.



posted on Feb, 9 2012 @ 02:16 PM
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Zeeeeeeeeerg!

Honestly though. This is going to end badly for cops one day. Tear gas and grenades on one side, and guns pointed at you on the other.

This is going to get ugly before it gets better...



posted on Feb, 9 2012 @ 02:43 PM
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Like the man says at the end, I've seen plenty of violence by the police today" That snaring tactic is a blatant attempt to make physical contact with the crowd, rather than do their job of keeping the peace. That video is valuable.



posted on Feb, 9 2012 @ 03:48 PM
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I don't see "proof" that the police are inciting violence. All i really saw was some puffs of white smoke (which you don't see what is going on before that) and then latter a large group peacefully protest a fence down and run through.


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posted on Feb, 9 2012 @ 03:53 PM
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Originally posted by JoshF
I don't see "proof" that the police are inciting violence.


Kettling a group of people in a park by blocking all the exits, telling them to disperse from the park while preventing them from leaving through any of the exits.

Nope. Not provocational at all.



posted on Feb, 9 2012 @ 04:07 PM
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And they let them leave, i didn't see them gassing and spraying the protesters for taking down the fence.



posted on Feb, 9 2012 @ 04:16 PM
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Of course, forcing them through a chain link fence is absolutely acceptable. It should have never gotten to the point where the protesters needed to create an exit and by that very fact it is the police being provocational, regardless of its result.



posted on Feb, 9 2012 @ 04:18 PM
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Originally posted by eNumbra
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regardless of its result.


The result here is "inciting violence" that never happened right?



Of course, forcing them through a chain link fence is absolutely acceptable. It should have never gotten to the point where the protesters needed to create an exit

But the police did let people through, after the flashbang goes off you can see they let people leave that don't want to be there.
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posted on Feb, 9 2012 @ 04:20 PM
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What do you think would have happened had that Chain link fence been a brick wall, or another building?

The tactics employed are intended to incite violence, just because it doesn't always work doesn't mean it's not what they do.
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posted on Feb, 9 2012 @ 04:22 PM
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The tactics employed are intended to incite violence, just because it doesn't always work doesn't mean it's not what they do.

So let me get this straight. no violence= police inciting violence



posted on Feb, 9 2012 @ 04:23 PM
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I don't see "proof" that the police are inciting violence.

You must not have watched the whole video. I clearly saw flash bang grenades being thrown at a peaceful yet vocal crowd.
It kinda makes me wonder how you would interpret having a grenade thrown at you when you are peacefully protesting something important to you.
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posted on Feb, 9 2012 @ 04:25 PM
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Confrontational tactic that with 1 more sturdy wall would have given rise to violence doesn't give rise to violence; police not trying to incite violence.

You admit yourself that the police let them leave through the fence. So the police were okay with them leaving in that direction? assuming so, why not let them leave through the lower left exit that the police blocked off?



posted on Feb, 9 2012 @ 04:25 PM
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I think it was just to get them out of the street and they were letting people leave through the police line.



posted on Feb, 9 2012 @ 04:27 PM
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You admit yourself that the police let them leave through the fence. So the police were okay with them leaving in that direction? assuming so, why not let them leave through the lower left exit that the police blocked off?

They were letting people out through the police line, watch after the flashbang goes off they let people walk through.



Confrontational tactic that with 1 more sturdy wall would have

Why stop at that if the police "would have" shot them then they would be shooting protesters OMG evil police shooting protester watch!!

And if there would have been orphans and baby seals and if the police would have shot them the police would be shooting peaceful protesters,baby seals and orphans. If the military would have shown up and if they would have declared martial law then this would have been a police state. This video is definitely proof of police shooting peaceful protesters,baby seals,orphans and the government declaring martial law the country.
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posted on Feb, 9 2012 @ 04:35 PM
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Originally posted by JoshF



Confrontational tactic that with 1 more sturdy wall would have

Why stop at that if the police "would have" shot them then they would be shooting protesters OMG evil police shooting protester watch!!!


I do try to stay away from the absurd jumps to conclusions, but by all means lets not discuss the obvious.

I would like to get a Time frame on when they leave through the lines because I see maybe 3-5 people, I don't see many people leaving through that line, nor would I expect them too having just had some sort of flash or smoke grenade shot at them.
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posted on Feb, 9 2012 @ 04:40 PM
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Originally posted by JoshF
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I think it was just to get them out of the street and they were letting people leave through the police line.

When you herd any group of animals into a coral and fire a weapon or blow up firecrackers you incite panic panic is a form of fear. Basic psychology teaches us that when an animal is in fear it will protect itself violently. Push people to the point of panic and you are inciting violence this was a terror tactic clear and true.

I have worked gate systems in main train stations at rush hour and humans behave in herd mentality when their numbers are large enough same as the cattle we used to raise on our dairy farm.

Any cattle farmer knows you don't let off fireworks near a herd fenced in this causes panic and stampede behavior usually resulting in them rushing a fence and getting injured trying to break through. The same is observed in this video.

This was using terror to incite panic and violence for control and the ability to use the law to hide behind and get their jollies off. I have know security workers in the private industry who with a team of 3 men control a unruly crowd in a night club of over 100 watching them work was like watching an artist. Treat people with respect they will for the most part give it back. Treat them like animals and they will most likely bite this is something children even understand.

With directness firmness and not inciting panic this was not an attempt to keep the peace here clearly this was a exercise to create fear and terror in the populace.

Repeating over and over that there was no inciting violence or that you observed an unidentified most likely undercover police officer through police lines doesn't change what can clearly be observed by an intelligent conscious person who has ever been in a large crowd like this.
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posted on Feb, 9 2012 @ 04:42 PM
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Because only 3-5 people try to leave, do you see the police stopping anyone from leaving through the police line once they start to get them out?

at 4:09 you see the cops pass by some guy just standing on the side walk, not exactly "rounding him up"
at 5:03 you see a guy in a white shirt walk right through the police line
again at 5:10 you see people let right through

I t really looks like they just wanted to keep them off the street



posted on Feb, 9 2012 @ 04:56 PM
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Then the violent slobs cry when people fight back.






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