News Blackout in the UK - why

reply to post by lacrimaererum



Yes they have not been convicted yet. The evidence AND VICTIMS so far show that these man ,muslims in this case are the ones that commited said crimes. They have hard evidence against the 11 that remain.The court case will be needed to establish the degree of punishment.

And alleged or not all your kicking ,crying and screaming like a little baby just because you feel personally attacked will not get you anywhere.You do not even care about the case in relation to its victims or the crime as you have shown. The crime is real ,do you mind if people get outraged? sucks for you then. You pretend that any source given so far is right winged which is incorrect sadly for you.

I made descent responses so far but as of now you can go # yourself and keep crying in your little hanky as much as you want but i doubt many will feel for your ..cause..

reply to post by Rafe_


there really is no more i can say to the ignorance and childish behaviour you are displaying.

Originally posted by joewalker
I can post links too:
From the Lancashire Telegraph, Wedsneday 12 January, 2011

80% of Operation Engage offenders white

OPERATION Engage was set up by police in 2006 after the problem of predominantly-Asian gangs preying on vulnerable white girls. But since 2008 Engage has grown to investigate, and protect, those vulnerable to all kinds of sex grooming. This is borne out by the fact that as many as 80per cent of all offenders dealt with under Engage are now white.

Source: www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk...

The police and social services are aware and attempting to deal with child grooming....the MSM do report the cases.
Why is the OP only interested in cases where the accused are non white? The bnpedl completly ignored the recent case involving a white Catholic Priest and when child pornography charges were aimed at one of their own, claimed he was a political prisoner...He pleaded guilty btw.

Double standards or a (not so) hidden agenda.

If you want the uk sub judice/ contempt of court rules removed then have the debate...just not outside a Court where a grooming case is under active consideration.

edit on 10-2-2012 by joewalker because: terrable spwellin

Do you really not understand what is wrong with your statistics?

This behaviour is wrong. But not all people are using a political/religious reason for doing it. Considering the breakdown of the population, if 20% of people doing this are not caucasian, that would suggest that that ratio in the immigrant groups is much higher than in the indigineous population.

Dont make me laugh

You had your chance on a civil discussion

reply to post by Aeons

Heya aeons, Ive been following your posts on the ABB thread, you've posted some good stuff there, thanks for keeping it going.

Not my statistics Im afraid, but those from a police operation against child grooming.

To me all it suggests is that within the target area, sexual offences against children are far more likely to be committed by a white person, not that earth shattering is it?, considering the demographics of the region.

This behaviour is wrong. But not all people are using a political/religious reason for doing it

And there are strategies in place to detect and prevent, none of which appear to involve the use of false information (as set out in the OP) by Nationalist political parties and their surrogates in order to score political points.

Fwiw the person who alerted the Greater Manchester Police to Colin Blanchard (Nursery Sex Ring) happened to be Muslim.

Honest question:

What good does it do anyone to publicise this trial.

Surely that would make the odds of a miss-trial much higher.

Surely trials are private affairs until the verdict. If afterwards it is still unpublicised then perhaps there is an issue.

My concern would be for the integrity of the jury and media exposure may well jeopardise this.

Originally posted by McGinty
Honest question:

What good does it do anyone to publicise this trial.

Surely that would make the odds of a miss-trial much higher.

Surely trials are private affairs until the verdict. If afterwards it is still unpublicised then perhaps there is an issue.

My concern would be for the integrity of the jury and media exposure may well jeopardise this.

Since when are they not reported on? It is standard practice and no details from within the court are outed.
These things will get reported at some point.

Heard on BBC radio 1 today that they were found guilty, children as young as 13 going back years and years. Age of the guilty range from 22 to 58. No mention of them being asian immigrants or muslim however.
Coincidently the very next news report was on the outrage of binned korans, tut tut tut.
Stop the world I wanna get orf.

This link is from the BBC's website;
www.bbc.co.uk...

I think that's pretty fair and responsible reporting and certainly no evidence of a 'news blackout'.

reply to post by DBCooper71


Is that the Same UAF who marched with Al Mujahideen, aka Muslims against crusaders at a pro sharia law march. The same Al Mujahideen who were just arrested for plotting to blow up the London stock exchange ?

It doesnt' surprise me they countered all the public who protested against these peadophiles

I heard wrong they are on trial and have not been found guilty yet. None the less these men range in age and all have different surnames and there's others who have not been questioned yet but are suspects.
This is ingrained and why can't people admit this....... They see western girls as complete whores whether they are 13 or 90.
Its time we forced them to assimilate or leave.

So you missed the very high profile news reports of the pedophile gang that is being tried for using alcohol, drugs and money to prostitute girls as young as 13 in Rochdale then OP?

Originally posted by smurfy

Originally posted by Jace26
reply to post by lacrimaererum

 

Um, no, there is no Muslim bashing on here. This thread is about a media blackout on reporting paedophiles (which happen to be Muslim). It seems your trying to make a connection between the two, so what does that say about you?

If there is no 'Muslim bashing' here, why should the OP have pointed out in posts the attendance of extreme groupings in or outside the court, while describing them as patriot groupings. It's the same thing as you say, so technically you can ask what is the connection beween patriots and paedophiles. So WTF was BNP there for, to sell ice cream? The OP has already made an error no, a big error in the initial post and has apologised for that, while still describing it as a special operation that would include more than those that appeared in court on the 9th.

How is it Muslim bashing to state the facts? Alleged pedophiles, who are Muslim, are being tried. The BNP was there to protest them, for whatever reasons they have, and apparently consider themselves quite patriotic. Don't they have a lot of flag waving in that group that makes a lot of people uncomfortable? Isn't it right, that any form of outward patriotism is often misconstrued as support for groups like the BNP in the UK? Such is the impression I get, from over here.

Originally posted by Freeborn
This link is from the BBC's website;
www.bbc.co.uk...

I think that's pretty fair and responsible reporting and certainly no evidence of a 'news blackout'.

Date this thread started. February 9th.

Date of report you linked. February 21st.

When enough awareness has been raised the mainstream media have to report the story to keep some of their rapidly diminishing gullible followers.

Originally posted by McGinty
Honest question:

What good does it do anyone to publicise this trial.

Surely that would make the odds of a miss-trial much higher.

Surely trials are private affairs until the verdict. If afterwards it is still unpublicised then perhaps there is an issue.

My concern would be for the integrity of the jury and media exposure may well jeopardise this.

A sex offender who was never to my knowledge jailed or publicly named went on to UTTERLY destroy other innocent lives. He is now a very visible part of the Occupy movement. Try watching some of the Occupy Totnes videos on youtube and see if you can spot the man who talks while carefully watching for signs that he's being believed. His purpose is to gain the trust of parents, preferably single, over-trusting parents. Whether there's a successful prosecution or not, a loud, clear public warning has to be made.

My main concern is that children are made aware of the danger. Pakistani men who attempt to 'chat them up' most likely view them as belonging to an inferior race. Quite apart from the racist angle there is a very serious sexist and pedophile element to this.

It's completely different if you are adult, know each other socially and are attracted to each other.

In this case the inappropriate approaches stem from the racist and sexist beliefs, and pedophile interests of the mainly Pakistani men involved. Education is needed. If these men and others like them cannot learn the basics of sexual and racial equality, and the need to protect children, they will have to be removed from society. The children are the future and must be protected.

Is there a need for Pakistani children to be warned about white men who work in organised gangs using takeaway food, alcohol, drugs and cars as a way to involve the children in sexual exploitation? If this has been documented it needs to be advertised.

"Breaking taboos: DCI Alan Edwards said girls were 'being used as meat'

Charities and agencies working in conjunction with the police to help victims of sexual abuse in such cases have publicly denied there is a link between ethnicity and the on-street grooming of young girls by gangs and pimps.

But researchers identified 17 court prosecutions since 1997, 14 of them in the past three years, involving the on-street grooming of girls aged 11 to 16 by groups of men.
The victims came from 13 towns and cities and in each case two or more men were convicted of offences.
In total, 56 people, with an average age of 28, were found guilty of crimes including rape, child abduction, indecent assault and sex with a child.
Three of the 56 were white, 53 were Asian. Of those, 50 were Muslim and a majority were members of the British Pakistani community.
Those convicted allegedly represent only a small proportion of what one detective called a ‘tidal wave’ of offending in Yorkshire, Lancashire, Greater Manchester and the Midlands."


Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk...

Sex tourism in places such as Thailand is equally abhorrent. Racism, sexism and sex with children is a worldwide problem.

Your concern is for the integrity of the jury.

My concern is that the shield of silence is thrown aside.

The usual series of excuses whistleblowers hear are, "You said it at the wrong time. You said it to the wrong audience. You said it in the wrong way." etc.etc.etc. All these excuses encourage silence behind which the abuses continue.

My message to all of you is....

Say it always. Say it to everyone. Say it any way you can.

reply to post by Kester


As far as I am aware the Beeb have been reporting on this throughout the case.

The BBC has a responsibilty to report the facts in a fair and reasonable manner without prejudicing the case.

It seems that there is a problem within certain Muslim communities regarding grooming, exploitation and abuse of girls and women which needs to be addressed.
How best to do that?
I don't know, I certainly haven't got all the answers.
Yes, there needs to be an acknowledgement from within these communities themselves along with reporting all such instances to the relevant authorities instead of turning a blind eye.
But stirring up emotions and tarneshing all Muslims as peodophiles or rapists is simply inaccurate and wrong and will do nothing but cause communities to further close ranks.
The vast majority of Muslims ARE NOT involved in such practices.

And as a point of issue, there are unfortunately many, many instances of peodophile rings which have consisted solely of white and alleged Christians.

The Catholic church has faced similar criticisms and is having to face up to the harsh reality that a percentage of Catholic priests caused untold suffering to far too many children.
It's time elements within the Islamic faith did the same.

But none of that makes reporting such instances easier.

As i have stated earlier there is a hard balance to be sought here.
The responsibility to inform the public and the right to a free press balanced against the 'innocent until proven guilty' ethos that is central to our judicial system and the prevention of stirring up racial or religious confrontation.

I have yet to see anyone even attempt to answer that.

reply to post by Kester

Is there a need for Pakistani children to be warned about white men who work in organised gangs using takeaway food, alcohol, drugs and cars as a way to involve the children in sexual exploitation? If this has been documented it needs to be advertised.

There is a need for ALL children to educated:

From How deprivation led to sexual exploitation in Torbay, Steven Morris&Sandra Lavill, Guardian 8/7/2011.

Ormerod and his gang would meet the girls at school gates or as they roamed the streets of Babbacombe, where Ormerod lived with his mother, or nearby Ellacombe. According to the police, they would also make contact with the girls on social network sites including Facebook or through other friends. The gang would ply the girls with cider, beer and cannabis and often end up having sex with them. The victims liked the alcohol and drugs and often felt flattered that older men such as Ormerod were interested in them. Many thought of the men as their boyfriends.

Source: www.guardian.co.uk...
Methodolgy sound familiar?

Another aspect of 'street grooming' is that a majority of victims and their families are already known to social services and classed as vunerable to grooming...prevention strategies include working with these kids but also identfying who these kids are meeting; From
50 East Lancashire men warned over child grooming, Sam Chadderton, Lancs Telegraph 12/4/2011:

The notices are handed to people who are found with a ‘potential victim’, and can ban them approaching any child. For example, a letter can warn the person not to stop and talk to under-age children in his car.

The team has also identified 44 individuals involved in sexual exploitation of which 32 were white, 11 Asian and 1 other. Of those, 20 have been arrested, five charged and 21 abduction notices issued.

Source: www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk...

Originally posted by Freeborn
reply to post by Kester

 

As far as I am aware the Beeb have been reporting on this throughout the case.

The BBC has a responsibilty to report the facts in a fair and reasonable manner without prejudicing the case.

It seems that there is a problem within certain Muslim communities regarding grooming, exploitation and abuse of girls and women which needs to be addressed.
How best to do that?
I don't know, I certainly haven't got all the answers.
Yes, there needs to be an acknowledgement from within these communities themselves along with reporting all such instances to the relevant authorities instead of turning a blind eye.
But stirring up emotions and tarneshing all Muslims as peodophiles or rapists is simply inaccurate and wrong and will do nothing but cause communities to further close ranks.
The vast majority of Muslims ARE NOT involved in such practices.

And as a point of issue, there are unfortunately many, many instances of peodophile rings which have consisted solely of white and alleged Christians.

The Catholic church has faced similar criticisms and is having to face up to the harsh reality that a percentage of Catholic priests caused untold suffering to far too many children.
It's time elements within the Islamic faith did the same.

But none of that makes reporting such instances easier.

As i have stated earlier there is a hard balance to be sought here.
The responsibility to inform the public and the right to a free press balanced against the 'innocent until proven guilty' ethos that is central to our judicial system and the prevention of stirring up racial or religious confrontation.

I have yet to see anyone even attempt to answer that.

It does seem to be a largely Pakistani problem rather than Muslim.

Are you familiar with Albert Pikes letter? There are those who wish to artificially construct a major conflict.

www.threeworldwars.com...


If there's evidence that Muslims are prone to this behaviour as a result of religious teachings this needs to be discussed worldwide. It seems to be more accurate to point to the attitude of male Pakistanis towards females as the main cause. Men need to be re-educated if they express strongly anti-female views. If these men are Pakistani a culturally appropriate education program must be implemented as a matter of urgency. Failure to follow this program will inevitably cause the situation to escalate until arson and bloodshed are common. We're talking about children's lives here.

Here's an example of Catholic abuse.



I'm personally aware of a mothers involvement in very damaging sexual abuse of her own children. Can you imagine the convoluted logic used by social workers, police, teachers and other parents who didn't want to think such a thing was possible? There's another taboo to be thrown out. Women, sometimes the mothers of the children concerned can be actively involved in abuse and consciously act as enablers, covering it all up with a broad smile.

It's too late to avoid racial or religious confrontation. What we have to watch for is the criminals who will try to control and benefit from the confrontation. Religious confrontation is especially dangerous. People who are stupid enough to allow someone else's words come between them and their relationship with the 'Great Spirit' are easily led. Racial confrontation can be more easily sorted out. Usually when the women get together and start talking.

"....reporting all such instances to the relevant authorities...." From this statement of yours I can tell you are fortunate enough to have little practical experience of trying to sort out one of these situations. Those of us unfortunate enough to have practical experience know contacting the relevant authorities is often where it all starts to go rapidly downhill. Apart from anything else it's a job and they have deadlines. The tendency is to jump to convenient conclusions that allow them to neatly wrap things up. It's rarely that simple.

It has been said by a very experienced investigator, "The reason it's so difficult to get anything done is because the system is run by pedophiles."

We can add societies 'leaders' to the list of groups with pedophile tendencies.

reply to post by joewalker


Excellent post.

A local man has admitted to a neighbour that he goes to Thailand to get cheap sex with young girls.

As I've said previously women can be abusive and are less often detected because people don't want to think it's possible. Children can be abusive towards other children.

We can't say any group is not a potential danger to children. Social workers can be extremely corrupt. Many police are abusive.

The most dangerous outcome of this trial would be the message, "If you're a Pakistani pedophile, just cry racism and you can carry on as usual". What message would that give and what would be the outcome? My guess is the outcome would be rows of houses on fire. Exactly what the bankers want. We have all been subjected to a massive fraud over the last few generations. Gold was confiscated and otherwise stolen. Bonds were issued. Now much of the gold is claimed to have never existed and bond holders are being accused of fraud. The whole fiat currency/fractional reserve banking system has largely completed it's task of transferring the concept of ownership to a minority. Everyones catching on and the rage is growing. What better way to divert the anger of the masses than to fabricate conflicts that lead to photogenic, shocking scenes?



www.dunblaneexposed.info...

This gives a hint of the 'establishment's' involvement in child abuse. A popular idea is that Hamilton was providing children for the elite. It's best to study the subject thoroughly before dismissing the suggestion out of hand.

reply to post by Kester

From this statement of yours I can tell you are fortunate enough to have little practical experience of trying to sort out one of these situations.

I have no first hand experience at all and all that I know are from second and third hand accounts.
I have a couple of friends who work very closely with such cases etc.

The point I was trying to make is that due to the tentes of Islam, or maybe through a misguided sense of loyalty to their 'own', far too many people within Muslim communities choose to turn a blind eye to these sort of things rather taking action against it.

If a peodophile ring was found to be operating within a predominantly 'white' community then the locals would either deal with it themselves or report it to the authorities, both approaches have inherent problems, however, they would attempt to do something about it rather than just conveniently ignore it

I remember reading somewhere that, as with honour killings, one of the problems is that the majority of Pakistani immigrants to this country come from rural areas where a completely different set of cultural values are practised to those from more urban environments.
To be honest, I don't have that much of an in depth understanding of Pakistani culture etc to make a fair and unbiased judgement.

If as you say this is more of a 'Pakistan' thing than a 'Muslim' thing then a strategy needs to be thought out addressing core issues and helping these communities and the authorites to eradicate this problem.
Unfortunately that would require a degree of honesty and openness that neither this or previous governments and other relevant bodies and institutions are prepared to show.

Whilst I can't accept that everyone in positions of power and influence are peodophiles I wouldn't however be at all suprised if there was a small core element that are and who try to manipulate and influence to enable them to continue with their horrendous practices.