I'm a latecomer to this thread.
I'm having to rewrite this post unfortunately, as I just lost the last copy I
was working on, but I had a look at the links you posted on examples of working
Socialist economies or societies. Christiania is apparently the only one of
them left, which is not currently defunct.
I have recently tried to learn more about historical attempts at starting
societies based on Socialist theory. I have noticed several characteristics
shared by most of such that I have found.
a] They are nearly always small. The Spanish revolution (and the contemporary
co-ops) was an exception to this rule; but most of the time, you're looking at
either a commune or individual town, and usually no more than 1,000 or so
b] Of those which existed during the time of Stalinist Russia, most of the
time, in terms of societies that genuinely tried to be decentralised and
egalitarian, rather than hierarchical, the greatest threat to them was actually
Stalin himself. The Russian Communist Party only economically supported the
regimes of those countries who were willing to toe Stalin's line. Those which
wanted to be genuinely decentralised in nature, either found themselves being
cut off from previous aid, (as in Spain) or otherwise targetted.
I think it is very important for people to understand, that Marx and the
Bolsheviks actually betrayed pretty much anyone and everyone who wanted a truly
decentralised, distributed, egalitarian society. The Russian system was the
direct opposite of this, in all three respects, and that was by deliberate
design. The goal has been to associate socialist theory with its' direct
opposite in practice, and also to associate it with genocidal dictatorships, in
the minds of anyone who might otherwise be willing to investigate it. This
campaign has also been very effective.
The Illuminati have been working towards their current goal for thousands of
years; and both Communist Russia and Nazi Germany need to be looked at from this
long term perspective. The goal with both of these regimes (and with Mao, Pol
Pot, etc) was to establish a scenario in the minds of the public, where it was
reflexively assumed that Friedmanite Capitalism was the only
viable social or economic system in existence, and that anything else would
automatically lead to genocide; so therefore, people should not even consider
the idea that anything else could viably be attempted.
c] There have been a few examples of such a social model being attempted, which
has faced opposition from Western governments or saboteurs, as well; although
aside from the covert, large scale military actions such as Vietnam, these have
generally been relatively few. The cabal have generally preferred opposition to
real socialism to come from the Stalinist strawman, and during the time that
Stalin was in power, that was usually what happened.
However, there are a couple of small examples that I would draw people's
attention to. The first was a colony called Freeland, which occupied an island
in Washington State, the barn of which was burned to the ground by unknown
parties in 1906. The second was the Universal Workers'
, which started in Oakland, California, in 1932, three years
after the crash of '29. It was initially accused of being a Communist cell, at
which point an attempt was made to shut it down; it survived that, but its'
members were later seduced away by the Workers' Progress Association, which
offered a bait and switch program in 1935, under Roosevelt's New Deal.
Based on this, my conclusion is that attempts to create societies based around
egalitarian, decentralised, and mutual aid related models, do not fail because
the theory is false or incapable of supporting them. They fail primarily for
a] Attack from external influences. These can be Capitalist, but they usually
are not, at least overtly. The cabal prefer that if a socialist community is
going to be shut down, it appear to be done by other socialists; because that
way Capitalist advocates end up drawing the conclusion that internecine conflict
is one of the main reasons why such communities can't work.
b] Lack of integrity and personal responsibility on the part of members. One
of the primary ways in which either Capitalists or governments will try and
attack these societies, will be by offering them money, or enticements related
to the mainstream consumer culture. I can remember reading online last year,
one case where somebody decided that one of the Amish settlements in
Pennsylvania needed to be relieved of their wealth; so the week after that,
every household within said community received a mobile phone and a credit card
in the mail.
edit on 10-2-2012 by petrus4 because: (no reason given)