posted on Feb, 9 2012 @ 06:24 PM
Originally posted by blueorder
The examples you choose to give, without even looking at them closely to ascertain possible negative aspects, are too small to suggest it could work
on any sort of large scale, in a world of nation states and cross national groupings.
Interesting reading though I think it is fair to say could do with some counterbalance
the Spanish Revolution was a movement that spanned the entire country. i think that's pretty large scale. the Free Territory in Ukraine was also
quite large scale. sure, they didn't operate in a global economy like we have now, but Christiania, though it is a smaller example, does and there
are businesses, such as Christiania Bikes, that operate in Christiania and compete outside of it. i'm not going to sit here and say that nothing bad
happened in any of these examples. besides the fact that both the Spanish Revolution and the Free Territory were crushed by force and the Kibbutzim
eventually evolved into a more capitalistic form, there are other aspects of each that have been criticized by detractors and proponents alike. for
example, there were accounts in Ukraine that, while they called it anarchism, Nestor Makhno operated as the defacto leader. also, reports suggest a
lot of the facts Makhno and his followers presented about the movement may have been a bit conflated. with the Spanish Revolution there are select
reports of farmers and other business owners being forced by anarchist rebels to collectivize their businesses. i do not condone any of these, nor do
i deny the possibility that this may have been the case in a few select places, but overall there are a lot of good things said of these movements
that tremendously outweighs the bad. the reason i didn't mention any of this in the first post is because i only had a certain amount of room, and i
wanted to fill the space i had with information that people could research on their own.
basically, i feel that there is enough evidence to suggest that socialism deserves a chance for us to see if it will work on a larger scale for a
sustained period of time.
i also don't think it necessarily needs to work on a larger scale though either. to me, socialism is something that starts on a small scale
(businesses, communities) but that would spread, not in terms of becoming a unified global movement, but rather as a bunch of spontaneous movements
separate from each other and when there are enough of them (whether they be businesses or communities), they begin cooperating to help the entire
world figure out that their principles are in their own best interest.