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Without Rossi, this would be languishing in limbo. If this was aimed only at revenue, he would have accepted investor cash. He doesn't. As it is, he asks that money be put in escrow until the customer sees that the device meets expectations. If it meets specs, he gets the money and the customer then purchases a license to manufacture.
Watch Defkalion. THey have it also and will demo it fairly soon.
Rossi has been the key to get this out of the lab.
Ampenergo has paid Andrea Rossi for these rights (an undisclosed amount), and in return they will receive a share of all royalties from the sale of E-Cat licenses and products in the Americas.
There is too much energy coming out for this to be a chemical reaction. As this progresses, more evidence will be made publically available.
Originally posted by boncho
reply to post by pteridine
There is too much energy coming out for this to be a chemical reaction. As this progresses, more evidence will be made publically available.
Legitimate LENR studies do not show massive excess energy. So far the only people to claim such things are either trying to sell something, or creating marketing campaigns because they are about to try.
And by selling something, I also mean hand outstretch for investor funds.
Originally posted by boncho
reply to post by pteridine
The only people to claim massive excess energy have no verified studies.
Zip. Zilch. Nada.
No peer review, no nothing.
Maybe I should have researched a bit deeper and Rossi looks, walks and quacks like a duck but is there any evidence that the tests results by Bologna Uni are untrue?
The Department of Physics, University of Bologna says that the contract signed in June 2011 between the Department of Physics and the EFA Ltd. (the company owned by Italian Andrea Rossi) was terminated due to failure to meet the conditions of the terms.
However, the Department of Physics has made available its experience and its equipment to carry out independent measurements on the production of heat by the equipment’s e-cat in order to provide an answer to the entire scientific community and the general public about the phenomenon. The measurement results will be published.
Originally posted by EasyPleaseMe
reply to post by boncho
Thanks for the reply. I guess that tests such as Link are either fake or not officially sanctioned by the university?
Whats the highest COP results you have seen from a reputable source?
On 14/01/11 at the GM System plant of Via dell'Elettricista 16 in Bologna, I performed radiation field measurements for radiation protection purposes as per your request of 09/11/10.
The field evaluation can not relate to criteria of functionality of the system and can not
be used for comparison in systems different from this one, in the process, in the geometry
or in the construction materials used
The process, the geometry and the materials used for the production of energy inside the “Energy Amplifier” are unknowns that I'm not aware of.
I've seen no evidence for this.
Originally posted by pteridine
There is too much energy coming out for this to be a chemical reaction.
Originally posted by boncho
That wasn't really a test, more than a dog an pony show like most of Rossi's releases. You will notice in that 'paper' that Levi did the testing and they hired someone from the university only to calculate radiation:
Originally posted by EasyPleaseMe
Originally posted by boncho
That wasn't really a test, more than a dog an pony show like most of Rossi's releases. You will notice in that 'paper' that Levi did the testing and they hired someone from the university only to calculate radiation:
I agree, the test in no way proves anything but isnt Levi also from the University?
I suppose Levi could hide behind the "I just tested a black box to see if it warranted further testing" excuse.
Back on topic, with NASA and CERN et al still calling these nickel hydrogen experiments 'LENR' there must be good evidence of some sort of nuclear reaction taking place.
Originally posted by pteridine
The thread may not be about Rossi, but Rossi is the person who precipitated the interest. The world had a periodic table to select from and Rossi narrowed the field to Ni and H, for starters.
The ECats will be shown to work as will the Defkalion units. NRL has been investigating this since 1989 and knows that there is an effect.
The hot fusion boys are still pretending that there are instrumental errors and that this is 'pseudoscience' in the hope that it will go away. Richard Garwin, Nathan Lewis, and other egomaniacs had better prepare to spin their earlier comments so that they can claim that they, too, knew that there was an effect and that it should be investigated.
Originally posted by aaa2500
Originally posted by pteridine
The thread may not be about Rossi, but Rossi is the person who precipitated the interest. The world had a periodic table to select from and Rossi narrowed the field to Ni and H, for starters.
You do realize that the Widom-Larsen model came out before Rossi, and uses actual physics, whereas Rossi uses Rossi Physics. The reason people are interested in LENR is because of the Widom-Larsen model.
The ECats will be shown to work as will the Defkalion units. NRL has been investigating this since 1989 and knows that there is an effect.
The hot fusion boys are still pretending that there are instrumental errors and that this is 'pseudoscience' in the hope that it will go away. Richard Garwin, Nathan Lewis, and other egomaniacs had better prepare to spin their earlier comments so that they can claim that they, too, knew that there was an effect and that it should be investigated.
LENR is a category, not a model of a process. The Widom-Larsen model is studied because calculations show that it could work. Widom-Larsen doesn't need a special type of nonexisting physics to work.
*Note, this thread is not about Rossi.
Originally posted by EasyPleaseMe
reply to post by mbkennel
Sorry you misunderstood me, I was talking about these experiments in general rather than the supposed radiation test of the Rossi device, which according to the University, if the press release is real, didnt happen.
Originally posted by mbkennel
What I think
a) there may be some setups which produce nuclear reactions of an exotic form (LENR)
b) there is no evidence such setups are producing macroscopic amounts of useful energy from them
c) Rossi's setup has no nuclear reactions or excess work at all, it's a scam.