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Think of the Devil's Interval as a medieval ACTA or SOPA.
When you believe in things that you don't understand
Then you suffer
Superstition ain't the way
Originally posted by AllIsOne
reply to post by HallamFoe
Think of the Devil's Interval as a medieval ACTA or SOPA.
There is so much misinformation in the OP that I don't even know where to start. Firstly, the "Devil's Chord" is an interval, made up of TWO pitches. A chord has at least three notes in it.
Stevie Wonder sings in the song "Superstition":
When you believe in things that you don't understand
Then you suffer
Superstition ain't the way
And that sums up this thread. It's ridiculous how the OP wants to stigmatize certain intervals and make you believe it's bad for you. I got news for you: Music has evolved. Luckily, we are not bound by Bach's counterpoint anymore. Parallel fifths and octaves are common place these days. There is nothing bad about the tritone either. All intervals are equal. If you think otherwise you are promoting musical segregation, superstition and ignorance.
If you think otherwise you are promoting musical segregation, superstition and ignorance.
Originally posted by anoncoholic
reply to post by HIWATT
the harmonic tones where you just touch the string and not depress it, where does that replicate on the strings?
that sound is the key maybe? It sounds like a purer octave than a hard resonance so how would a triune be played there?
manipulation via vibrational frequencies does change matter and its called The Hutchison effect. ( it manipulates a frequency of sound waves I think because he used old radar equipment if I remember that right. )
I'm sure it is here on ATS somewhere
I also heard about sleeping with tones being played... so if an energy field like the brain were stimulated via harmonic resonances it supposedly puts us into gamma state then
That is the higher state of consciousness with lucid dreaming .I think, can't recall.
It is also the state of nirvana in yogi's as well as the states of bliss and communion with God.
... gonna have to read over this thread again, a lot of great understanding in these posts,
Then the sum of the natural numbers 1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 5 +..... represents the archetypal linear series of numbers i.e. as numbers naturally marked off on a straight line. So all these numbers are implicitly 1-dimensional i.e. raised to the power of 1. However when we raise these numbers same numbers to - 1 i.e. 1^ (- 1), 2^(- 1), 3^(- 1), 4^(- 1), 5^(- 1) +.... we generate the harmonic series 1 + 1/2 + 1/3 + 1/4 + 1/5 + ..... Now remember my basic starting about regarding the nature of the primes is that they combine extreme characteristics with respect to linear and circular aspects! So the individual prime numbers are the most independent and linear of all numbers (with no constituent factors). However the general behaviour of the primes (in the frequency of their overall distribution) involves the other extreme of a holistic circular tendency. Now the very manner in which both linear and circular aspect are involved in experience goes back to the way in which whole and part interact. So to switch from the whole say 4 (4^1) to part 1/4 the dimensional number switches to - 1. So 1/4 = 4^(- 1). Thus the decisive switch from whole to part requires that conscious (linear) understanding that is defined with respect to the positive 1st dimension be dynamically negated in an unconscious (circular) intuitive manner. So similar dynamics are involved with respect to the harmonic series (by comparison with the natural number series). And remarkably the harmonic series gives the simplest answer to the general nature of prime number distribution. In other words the measure of the average spread as between successive prime numbers (which becomes progressively larger as the natural numbers increase) is given by the sum of the harmonic series!
Originally posted by HallamFoe
reply to post by AllIsOne
So this was really a reply to the OP?
I think I get what you're saying...just looked like you were accusing me of being musically racist or something.
I love dissonance in music. Forget Hendrix and all the others...David Rawlings is the man for that kinda stuff! AMAZING!
Peace.
Originally posted by alien
Brilliant thread...complimented by some brilliant discussion happening within it.
The subject of sound, tones, resonance and so forth is also one I find extremely interesting from the perspective of my own culture (NZ Maori) who have traditionally utilised specific harmonics for various effects such as enhanced healing, for usage in our traditional/spiritual practices and all manner of other things.
I do believe that there is much power held within sound, within vibrations...power that extends beyond the physical realms and allows some *breaching* into the less-than-physical realms as well.
Will follow this thread intently.
Likewise, humans are able to local-ize sound by judging both pitch and the differential between the two ears. To do so, they must process sound from both ears simultaneously and compare temporal, pitch, and other differences in sound signature be-tween the two ears. This requires an accurate sense of proprioception and balance—and, preferably, visual in-formation to help localize where sound comes from. Blind people lack the visual feedback to calibrate sound localization as precisely as possible, so they must depend on tactile feedback as the best way to calibrate their sound localization—just as touch is best for infants developing their depth vision.
The proprioceptive sense is believed to be composed of information from sensory neurons located in the inner ear (motion and orientation) and in the stretch receptors located in the muscles and the joint-supporting ligaments (stance). There are specific nerve receptors for this form of perception termed "proprioreceptors," just as there are specific receptors for pressure, light, temperature, sound, and other sensory experiences. Proprioreceptors are sometimes known as adequate stimuli receptors. TRPN, a member of the transient receptor potential family of ion channels, has been found to be responsible for proprioception in fruit flies,[11] nematode worms,[12] African clawed frogs, [13] and zebrafish.[14] The human proprioceptor has yet to be discovered. Although it was known that finger kinesthesia relies on skin sensation, recent research has found that kinesthesia-based haptic perception relies strongly on the forces experienced during touch.[15] This research allows the creation of "virtual", illusory haptic shapes with different perceived qualities.[16] David Bohm expands the idea of proprioception to include the "self perception of thought" in which thought is aware of its movement.[17] [18]
Originally posted by fulllotusqigong
Originally posted by JackTheTripper
What about the tritone paradox, or the shephard tone? In order to counter-effect the so called "matrix-hoax", what kind of music (sheet music example, please) should be played to counter-effect it?
haha. There's a great book called the "Haunting Melody" by Theodore Reik who was a psychologist and contemporary of Freud in Vienna -- hanging out with Brahms.
The idea of Reik is that when we get an ear worm there is a subconscious message going on.
So for example a melody pops in our head but we can't remember the words at first. But then if we can remember the words we find that it relates -- subconsciously -- and more than relates -- it reveals -- the secret emotional meaning to what we are thinking or experiencing at the time.
So I would say the Tritone Paradox is really about the mystery of the octave -- the paradox of amplitude versus frequency or time as phase space (amplitude) versus frequency.
The octave can be doubled but it can also be squared -- both with the value of four.
So that is the secret "bait and switch" by Archytas that created the Tritone.
So Archytas created the double octave so that the octave is 2 as "half" of the string length -- and then this 2:1 ratio enables the commutative math so that (arithmetic mean times harmonic mean equals geometric mean squared). Archytas created these new terms but this equation is considered to be from Babylonian math.
O.K. so the secret to remember is that Western music is based on the commutative principle but in reality -- based on the secret of Pythagoras -- sound is noncommutative - so that even Number itself is asymmetric -- the 1:2 divides as complementary opposites.
Archytas then squared the 3:2 to 9:4 and that is the eleventh interval which he divided back into the first octave as 9:8 and the cubed as the tritone.
O.K. so all of that presupposes a logarithmic tuning of the octave when in fact -- empirically -- mathematically -- the octave and the fifth do not geometrically divide evenly -- there is instead not a "divide and average" containment of geometry as sound but in reality an infinite resonance of the fifth and fourth as complementary opposites.
So 9:8 cubed is the tritone as the square root of two -- and this was the original mass sacrifice ritual to create the chariot technology in India circa 3000 BCE -- so the Pythagorean theorem goes back to ancient Rishi altar geometry as documented by mathematician Abraham Seidenberg who also published academic articles promoting the mass ritual sacrifice geometry as a secret society through the "separation of heaven and earth."
So originally in Egypt the base of the triangle is earth (ISIS) and the height is heaven (Osiris) and the hypotenuse is the complementary opposites of Set (satan, the devil) and Horus (Jesus, Joshua).
But the Western "greek miracle" was to take the symmetric Brahmin Vedic phonetic logic of the phoencian Babylonian mathematics (arithmetic mean times harmonic mean equals geometric mean squared) to contain this infinite resonance of complementary opposites into a "compromised" or inaccurate tuning.
Thereby shutting off the natural resonance of sound into light.
Originally posted by sublimy99
I'm also a musician. I'm also an avid lucid dreamer and one of the things I'm going to concentrate on is music in my lucid dreams. See, lately when I imagine soulful songs in my head, certain songs will send electricity like feelings through my whole body. I'm not talking goose bumps, but I'm also not talking about OBE like vibrations. It starts in my legs and goes through my whole body. It feels really good! I'd like to learn more. I like to have it incite an OBE.
Originally posted by JackTheTripper
I can follow the esoteric and hermetic part of this (related also to 4/sqrt(phi), a natures way to approximate to the pi) - but I do not understand the WHY part of this all. Please give your solution to this? I have to concurr that partial knowledge is dangerous. I would want to hear from you what should be done to not shut off the natural resonance of sound into light. A complete example.
I am also sure you have read this, right? www.scribd.com...edit on 9-2-2012 by JackTheTripper because: (no reason given)
what key in music makes it what it is?