Well qigong master Chunyi Lin has stated that in the third quarter of 2012 (which is now till 9/22) there will be an event that brings the hearts of
the world leaders together as one.
So that's pretty open-ended but also pretty dramatic.
On the "alien" stuff - in my book I get into the Stargate Conspiracy as part of the Actual Matrix Plan --
A more recent book along the same lines is Miragemen. Suffice it to say the U.S. has been pummeled by lies and propaganda from the intelligence
agencies promoting new age Freemasonry as the new religion -- in other words we need to colonize outerspace and also "baptize" the aliens, etc.
I saw a big black triangle "UFO" up close -- it flew right over our tree, low and slow -- equilateral triangle, no fuselage, just like the sightings
in Belgium that the air force could not catch up to.
These are secret military craft -- they are not extraterrestrial -- yet there has been a vast industry promoting what people want to hear that the
"aliens" will save us or attack us or whatever.
This is actually a psychological projection -- meaning that the Djinn model for aliens is correct -- that alien abduction is actually spirit
possession -- that the aliens are "us" in the sense that our technology as "occult" technology relies on a spiritual demonic possession. Or another
way to understand this is our technology is a phallic projection of the libido -- Nandor Fodor is an excellent parapsychologist who understands this
O.K. so basically scientists are the aliens -- science is our current mythic reality - a myth is actually what people believe is real but it is not
The "real" truth is spiritual reality that our modern world has lost contact with.
So for example on the Solstice the electromagnetic spirit energy is much stronger and so the middle of your brain should acknowledge or perceive this
-- but modern people are cut off from the natural power of the cosmos.
On the full moon -- three days before and after -- the middle of the brain has an electromagnetic bliss that is 10 times stronger than normal.
So the original human culture for 90% of human history did a trance dance healing all night long during the full moon since the energy was naturally
so much stronger to do spiritual healing.
So at this time people who are in touch with real reality can then see "dead" spirits that cause illness because of emotional or electrochemical
possession of people. So the healers actually help the dead spirits go into the Emptiness which is a spacetime vortex with a stronger light
So reality is holographic and this is considered a model for current cosmology -- based on the new understanding of black holes storing three
dimensional information holographically as two dimensional information.
But this is due to "time-frequency uncertainty." So for example I read quantum chaos math professor Ian Stewart's book that he cowrote with Jack
Cohen a biologist -- called Evolving the Alien and it was exploring the possibility of extraterrestrial biochemistry, etc. So then the authors
conclude that if there is an actual alien then aliens are like
Taoist hermits living a life of solitude, etc.
I wrote to math professor Ian Stewart -- look Taoist hermits already can travel up into the Solar System and communicate with real aliens who are
actually spirits -- consider qigongmaster.com... - the training is a month long full lotus session in a cave, taking no water, no food and no
sleep the whole time and when this happens the person travels into heaven.
O.K. so in the West we don't think it's possible to go a month with no food, no water and no sleep yet it is very real to do this based on the secrets
of time-frequency uncertainty applied as nonwestern harmonics alchemy.
So the reason that SETI hasn't found "extraterrestrials" is because SETI relies on symmetric Western math-based technology that is inherently cut off
from spiritual reality.
Science does not allow real consciousness to be considered so it's like fish not knowing about water -- humans are looking for something externally
that we already exist in eternally -- that's the secret of nondualism.
The eternal time-frequency uncertainty process as the infinite quantum potential (before it's converted to symmetric math) -- this is practiced in
nonwestern cultures as the trance dance meditation training for alchemy.
I have seen dead spirits hovering and so already we are out of touch with this reality but "evil" aliens abducting people are actually these repressed
spirits getting subconsciously projected and technology is also this same projection of repressed spiritual energy. So we are creating our own
"alien" reality as a reflection of imbalanced energy through the destruction of ecology on Earth.
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The practice works as qigong master Chunyi Lin confirms but the master of Falun Gong is fake.
Still the reason falun gong was so huge is because it spread freely based on volunteers reprinted and photocopying the practice instructions and then
having free practice sessions in the parks, etc.
So in China money is used to screen out qigong practices and to control qigong -- so that only certain qigong practices have official government
approval and then they charge more money.
There's a long history -- thousands of years -- of qigong used for revolution in China. A great overview of Falun Gong in the larger context of
politics and skeptics, etc. is Dr. David Palmer's book "Qigong Fever." He was nice enough to send me one of his academic articles that I couldn't
find since none of the local libaries carried the journal in the Twin Cities MN.
Still a lot of the qigong training relies on the energy transmissions from the master teaching the practice. Also there is Nancy Chen's book on
"qigong deviance" which is when a person thinks they are getting energy transmissions from their master but not really getting them and so in China
these people get locked up in asylums, etc.
So it is true that the leader of Falun Gong has created an apocalyptic cult mentality that has even affected some Westerners -- but again his material
is freely reproduced. Still he has so many followers -- hundreds of millions -- that he does get enough kick backs to support him, etc.
So Chunyi Lin for example shared how the leader of Falun Gong said he could fly but then he followers wanted a demonstration at one of their
conferences -- of course he couldn't do it.
Chunyi Lin said once he did levitate up nine feet -- spiralling up while he was in deep meditation in full lotus. But that kind of flying takes a lot
of deep meditation preparation - -it's not something that can be done on command.
There are a lot of fake qigong masters in China but there is also an official certification process that Chunyi Lin received and it does entail death
defying tests with electricity and poison, etc. But also long distance healing and predicting the weather 10 days in advance in detail,
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I'm so happy to see that you know so much of Qigong and you're still here.
I read lots of books of Qigong & Taoism too,for I'm a Chinese.
However, In China,there are not so much people still believing in Qigong and I just begin my own practice.
Are you the author of the book "Alchemy of Rainbow Heart"?
Having a month of free time, I'm searching some materials for reading,
then is it better to read that book or to read your post here first? Any advice?
Thanks! Good question. This thread is more current than my free "Alchemy of Rainbow Heart Music" book but this thread also changes as it
That's why I love posting research and viewpoints online as people force me through debate to clarify my thinking.
Anyway both sources are just for fun as they combine various subjects like cutting edge science (quantum chaos physics, etc.) and music theory and
anthropology and comparative religion and math philosophy and psychology, etc.
That's the main book I recommend and it's controversial as one Western qigong site (thetaobums) has posters warning against this book as too
dangerous. So then I read the tome "Measuring Meditation" by meditationexpert.com... (Bodri and Master Nan, Huai-chin) and they state indeed
that the visualization tantra taught in the book Taoist Yoga -- the small universe aka microcosmic orbit practice -- is the quickest but most
So then when the advanced levels are reached it's required to have an energy master guide the practice when relying on the right brain small universe
tantric visualization. But Master Nan, Huai-chin (of Mahayana Buddhist focus) recommends instead the left-brain practice of a K'oan -- of the
question "Who Am I?" as the focus and path of the practice. So this is the advaita vedanta philosophy also as Zen originally comes from Dhyana of
Vedic teaching -- mind concentration as the source of the I-thought.
Actually if you read meditationexpert.com... it quotes the now out of print book "Realizing Enlightenment" by Master Nan, Huai-chin on the
necessity of sitting "cross-legged" which means full lotus yoga position in order to achieve samadhi or mind concentration. So Master Nan,
Huai-chin focuses on how even Japan lost the real meaning of Zen by being too caught up in conceptual reality with poetry, etc. and not practicing
full lotus enough.
Chunyi Lin did the month long full lotus cave meditation with no food, no water and no sleep as is taught through qigongmaster.com... of Master
So the best practice tool imo is to get the springforestqigong.com... Small Universe meditation c.d. and then it requires just sitting in a chair
to follow along but also at beginning there is emphasis on the standing active exercise to build up the jing energy. So this is "moving of yin and
yang" which is similar to small universe only while standing --
Unless someone experiences the energy transmission from a real qigong master then it's next to impossible to "believe" in qigong imo - and getting
the energy transmission is rare as qigong masters are very rare -- real ones -- and then there is a financial cost to the transmission so that the
energy of the master is not just wasted.
So I recommend getting phone healings from the springforestqigong.com... masters but also you want a good environment for practice as Chunyi Lin
says the top cause of energy blockage is emotional blockage.
So yes it's difficult for the modern person to believe that say smoking causes depression! But this is so true -- and that a liver blockage causes
anger which is so obvious from alcohol. Sugar causes worry from pancreas damage and that kidney damage from caffeine causes fear.
I would say the great secret of qigong is the love energy and how this is the technique to create real love through the heart energy but it is
connected to the kidney and liver and then the pineal gland.
If you want to see if an energy master is real then just see how long they can sit in full lotus yoga position comfortably. Chunyi Lin said that the
Falun Gong leader was fake.
When I first met Chunyi Lin he had been recommended to me by a friend who had meditated with him but Chunyi Lin was giving a presentation to my
"spiritual healing" class in my masters degree program at the U of MN. Chunyi Lin looked exactly like the qigong master in the book "Encounters
with Qi" by David Eisenberg, the Harvard M.D. who traveled to china -- the qigong master I'm referring to demonstrated telekinesis for David
Eisenberg and it's detailed in that book.
So also Yan Xin was the first healer of Chunyi Lin and Yan Xin has done western research through Harvard also -- confirming external chi energy
healing -- besides the extensive science studies in China of Yan Xin's amazing healing energy.
So I haven't seen any of this by the Falun Gong master and his book is very Kooky -- it's more geared towards a type of Westernized New Age
apocalypse featuring extraterrestrials and lots of elitist doomsayer stuff. So I think this is why Westerners are drawn to Falun Gong -- along with
the fact that it is very aggressively promoted in public and it's also more or less a free practice.
Again Chunyi Lin said that the practice of Falun Gong works because it uses traditional qigong practices but it's actually very difficult to find a
real qigong master that can transmit the shen energy aka shakti energy in India.
You would have to experience the shen transmission to know what it feels like -- a laser bliss sensation that is holographic -- it will start inside
of you at the point of its focus by the energy master.
So when Jim Nance was in full lotus yoga position at the end of one of my classes for springforestqigong.com... -- he said he was going to keep
practicing full lotus upstairs at the SFQ center. I asked if I could join him. He said: Maybe later.
So then I biked home and then soon I was in full lotus meditation in my room. Suddenly the center of my brain was on fire and super super hot. I
couldn't figure it out. I thought maybe it was near the full moon when the magnetic brain bliss is 10 times stronger (like right now) -- but this
heat in the center of the brain like fire was way stronger than from the full moon. So it was so powerful I had to stop meditating.
I forgot all about it until I returned to class the following week and before class started Jim Nance asked me in the hallway:
Did you feel anything?
I looked at him and then suddenly remembered what he had said to me:
I realized what he had meant -- he practiced his long distance healing on me. I was so flabbergasted I didn't even respond to his question -- I just
looked into his eyes in shock and he knew that I had felt the energy. haha.
For Jim Nance to do that kind of healing he had to start out doing 2 hours of nonstop full lotus yoga meditation every night without missing a night.
Then he had to regularly receive energy transmissions from Chunyi Lin. I think it took Jim Nance ten years before Chunyi Lin declared Jim Nance also
a qigong master.
So for Chunyi Lin he did a month of full lotus meditation nonstop taking no water, no sleep and no food the whole time. I think this was through
qigongmaster.com... as Chunyi Lin gives the same mountain and master name -- Zhang -- and Zhang also mentions practicing the cave meditation
fasting and you can see Master Zhang in numerous full lotus poses.
Anyway I definitely believe Chunyi Lin that the master of Falun Gong is fake but on the other hand I highly respect Falun Gong as a movement for
promoting free qigong for self-healing and being adamant about it. I can also respect the apocalyptic elitist nature of the Falun Gong propaganda
although I disagree with it. I can see why it would be popular in both China and the West.
The Taiping Rebellion in China killed some 20 million people in the later years of the 19th C. yet it hardly gets mentioned in the West and the
leader of the Taiping Rebellion claimed to be the brother of Jesus as James -- Hong Siqong. I mean you'll find his name in kungfu movies but unless
people know the background they're not going to get the reference. My point is that the reason that movement was so big is that it was a Westernized
movement -- both assimilating new Western ideas while also based on the masses of Chinese desperate for upward mobility against starvation.
Eventually those masses of farmers then became the Communist movement under Mao.
So I think Falun Gong is similar to the Taiping Rebellion - actually Dr. David Palmer's main argument is that the qigong fever of the 1980s when some
300 million people practiced qigong regularly in China -- seriously -- this actually was part of the Westernization of China.
okay you make some sense, though one thing the leader of falun gong li hongzhi looks to have no problem at all with the full lotus position.
i have read a bit of li hongzhi falun gong book and it does make some good points and is a decent read, was he a fake or got mislead?, there are
differences to these things, chunyi lin should be more specific, then just a blanket statement.
what do you make of there central practice the falun dafa, there are pictures online it is a kind of disc shape with swastikas on it.
well some of it seemed okay, and some might not be, so it is probably best with the various teachings to use what you think is right, what do you make
of the falun dafa, that goes in the lower dantien, that seems quite a novel approach.
you mention the westernisation of china, this world is duality, so in that process, the west also got the teachings of china, so there are positives
and negatives at work there, it would seem?.
The yuppie yoga movement in the West has had more of an impact than qigong -- there's a great book called Karma Cola about Westerners going to India
to be Easternized while India just wanted Coca-cola. The irony being that Westerners also got "fake" Eastern values -- the equivalent of Coca-cola of
the East (like Oshi who regularly created Westerners being shipped off to mental asylums in the U.S. by the embassy in India).
Advanced meditation is still contrary to Western civilization -- certainly people can "dabble" in qigong and yoga but to truly take it seriously
requires as much practice as anything else taken seriously. As Noam Chomsky says about activism -- you have to be fanatical to get results -- and so
it is with any challenging pursuit like being a professional of anything. To be a professional requires fanatically training like practicing piano
six hours a day or practicing being a chef six hours a day or doing medical training six hours a day, etc.
But since yoga or qigong is based on a non-materialist foundation then it actually requires voluntary poverty. Music training is close since like
sports, only rarely does a musician become a professional. But sports, in contrast, at least has an extensive, well-paid recruiting system and high
schools put more money into sports than into music -- sports is basically a type of military training.
So yoga or qigong is actually the most advanced training after martial arts because advanced meditation training requires being protected from
closeted thugs. This is why the training has to be done in secret as it's based on people's secret intentions often hidden by disingenious words. So
someone using words to question something -- it all depends on their intention. Someone can say: How are you? but the intention can really be -- I
think there is a problem with you and if you don't answer how I like it then you have a problem that you need to change. In other words the simple
question "how are you?" can have the intention instead of concern but instead of as a threat.
Basically human language is usually a superficial means of communication hiding instead subconscious emotional communication that is more powerful but
not acknowledged. The biggest cause of energy blockages is from emotions. So when the leader of a group writes a book that feeds into New Age
propaganda that is elitist and even promotes CIA propaganda about extraterrestrials, etc. -- this means that the true intentions of the words are
faulty and so this is the case with Falun Gong. The actual exercises of the meditation are real and work and especially so if done fanatically but
consider that the AUM cult in Japan also required fanatically use of sitting in full lotus!! So based on my own practice I am the equivalent of an
AUM terrorist cult member but the difference is the foundation of the intention of the words behind the movement.
The heart is the "large accumulator" of energy that is expressed through the pineal gland. So as qigong master Chunyi Lin points out the heart on its
own does not know the difference between good and evil -- the energy of the heart as healing energy is love energy but that energy of the heart comes
from the liver. The liver as a blockage is anger and someone who is purified can then if challenged then become easily angered as "righteous anger."
as Master Nan, Huai-chin points out. So in advanced meditation training the thoughts or intentions of a person are very important because if they
have very strong emotional thoughts with focused mental concentration these thoughts are transmitted to their object of concentration as
electromagnetic holographic light energy. In other words for an advanced practitioner thoughts and intentions literally can change physical reality.
So the most crucial part of the qigong or yoga training is called "Te" as in the Tao Te Ching -- Te meaning virtue. This is why Buddhism is based on
the foundation of kindness, love and forgiveness.
So the yoga and qigong training on an advanced level has to be focused on spiritual realms that actually are expressed in the complexity of ecology --
of Nature -- as the energy flows freer in biodiversity -- unity in diversity. For the West to "take up" yoga or qigong is still based on what I call
the "rotten root" or the wrong logical foundation that is materialistic. The true intention of yoga or qigong is the "intention of no intention" or
the logical inference of the I-thought. Since this is formless awareness it can not be based on a materialist foundation.
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O.K. Daniel Levitin's book is referred to -- that's a good start.
I corresponded with Daniel Levitin.
I'm not a "goof on the internet" as one of the ATS Live d.j.s calls me. haha. Daniel Levitin stated my approach was "metaphysical" but Daniel
Levitin's research is too limited. We need to consider nonwestern information. Levitin's book is good on tying the cerebellum to motion and emotion
and also documenting the increase in dopamine and serotonin, etc. But that's next to nothing.
So basically what did the ATS people do -- the person who brought up my thread just rehashed the Lincoln's Cathedral concept of sacred geometry
creating resonance -- that's fine but again I'm point out that the supposed geometry used -- the golden ratio -- is against the real sacred
Hence the conspiracy. The ATS Live people didn't even grasp what this thread is about. haha.
Nope what I'm saying is too radical for them.
So then the female agreed that she believes in this thread just because the effect music has on her is so strong and then the male who first started
the topic said he has Asperbergers but he does electronic music composing and that playing electronic music helps him to think better.
All that is great - -but again that's too Western and too limited - I'm talking about sonofusion and sonoluminescence!! The ATS Live folks didn't
even register what I was getting on about -- but then again my topic is too radical for "normal" people on ATS -- i.e. the brainwashed masses.
But I will post this new podcast interview with John Beaulieu just to demonstrate that there is a well-established Dr. -- psychiatrist -- who uses the
same concept I am talking about. Actually he was my first source for this -- I just elaborated on something he mentions in passing.
Dr. Beaulieu discusses --
natural number ratios
O.K. so right away -- forget Western music -- this is pure harmonics here. He uses tuning forks.
Dr. Beaulieu then discusses
activating the vagus nerve
Again the vagus nerve connects the reproductive organs through the right side vagus nerve up to the cerebellum and then to the pineal gland and then
the left side vagus nerve connects to the heart.
That is the secret pathway -- the vagus nerve is the secret to the internal bliss orgasm and then the energy keeps building up and then opens up the
heart which then increases the electromagnetic energy which then opens up the pineal gland to transmit that energy externally.
O.K. so the nonwestern practice to do this is called the "small universe" aka the "microcosmic orbit" and you get the practice c.d. from
BTW -- ATS LIVE it's pronounced "CHEE-GONG" -- sorry I never pointed out how to say the word qigong - -but there you go - this is
What does she do? Discusses collagen as the secret piezoelectric source of acupuncture points -- based on proton transmutation from tetrahedral (full
lotus yoga position) nano-structure of water as macroquantum negentropy.
Have fun with that article because it creates the rainbow astral energy. It's based on complementary opposites as time-frequency coherency -- but not
measurable in logarithmic western music tuning.
Dr. Mae-Wan Ho calls it:
quantum jazz Again sonofusion. Sonoluminescence. Ultrasound activates and is activated by the collagen piezoelectric transduction -- and the
ultrasound and infrasound are from the natural resonance of overtones and undertones.
Try throat singing -- requires the vagus nerve relaxation of the throat while the diaphgram is flexed for vagus nerve activation to push up the
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Fascinating - when I listen to music that I've played on piano before then my dreams will be very vivid music dreams. Jonathon Winson argued that
dreaming was for long term memory storage -- for the brain to add the new information from the previous day and then organize it with the rest of the
brain's memories. Hence all the subconscious associations of the day's events revealed. But some dreams are more real than being awake and these
dreams I've found to be precognitive. they are tied to deeper emotional energy also. So I think the heart-pineal gland connection is going on -- with
the heart neurons also tied to memory storage but also the future and past lives, etc. So the heart is quantum coherent holographic energy - and so
memory is not limited to the body or brain - nor is consciousness.
So the key to this quantum coherent heart-mind consciousness is the time-frequency uncertainty principle with nonwestern music as trance music --
repetition is not redundancy due to the nonlinear quantum chaos harmonics as a positive feedback cycle. Mantras activating the organs of the body as
emotional energy which then gets ionizes into holographic light energy from electromagnetic energy through the relaxation vagus nerve and through mind
focus visualization. It is an eternal process of listening to light - through logical inference, called LOGOS by the ancient Greeks.
I have followed this thread on and off since it first started.
Much of It is not at my level of intellect, but It's fascinating to me because I use the skill of visualization and mental focus every day when I
play golf. Many time golfers will say I was unconcsious out there, or I was in the zone after a great round.
If you ever looked at the physics involved to hit a golf ball to a specific destination it's pretty involving, and is one reason the game is so hard.
In order to play at a high level, you have to constantly practice the calming of the mind and body to allow the proper timing to strike the ball,
thats why the pros make it look so easy. The swing only last for about a second but in the second the mind is processing mass quanity of changing
information, a miss que can result in a poor shot. There are endless factors that can cause interruptions, tension and stress form doubt or self
awareness, even a random thought like whats for dinner can interrupt the flow of the swing.
If you watch the pros on tv every one of them go through a preshot routine which is basically a meditation technique to calm the nerves and help focus
their mind and energy to making a smooth swing. They stand behind each shot and visualize the route the ball will travel and it's resting point. The
player who does this the best and most often usually will win.
The difference in the top players verses the armature is when the pros start to move the ball away from the ball. In their minds they have already hit
the shot, they are just now observing what has already happened.
I personally can attest to this feeling as I have moments of clarity from time to time. I think I have been able to tap into it more frequently in my
putting stroke. By using my preriphrial vision I can feel a level of comfort that regardless of the results of the stroke I'm going to be ok, when I
make the put its as if I walked in on myself making the put.
It's not a state of mind I can force myself into if I try then my stroke is all messed up. It's ellusive and one reason their is so many golf
I know this same type of mental focus is present in most top athletes.
Tigger woods is or was one of the best. I watched him once setting up a dificult shot at a tournament, he never blinked involentaly, he pouposfully
closed and opens his eyes, like he was taking pictures. He proceeded to pull of an incredible shot. It was on that helped him win the US Open at
Torrie Pines in 2008.
I plan on reading back through this thread to see if I can pick out some keys to help define that ellusive state of mind. You helped me already by
introducing me to quantum conscience.
Thank you for sticking with this thread. Keep it up
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But when he visualizes -- he was a professional basketball player and before that a martial arts black belt and then he taught gymnastics for kids as
emotional therapy -- he's the first known African American qigong master.
Yeah people -- well I don't want to scare people - but Jim Nance qigong master can transmit energy holographically at a distance -- and so he does
healing like this -- it is a quantum coherent energy like I mentioned. So we can all do this on some level but he has really built up the energy
through long meditation.
Here's a friend of mine getting healed by Jim Nance:
so, i started moving his hand over my foot. it felt like very powerful magnets each time the hand passed over. immediately, the pain reduced by
half and the nature of the pain shifted from sharp to dull. he asked me to wiggle my foot. i told him what i felt. he laughs and goes, 'yeah, but i
haven't done it yet. that wasn't the thing.' ok. so i close my eyes and he does his thing. it felt like a needle stitching the bone, passing back
and forth, right where the impact was. it didn't hurt when this happened. when he was done, the swelling was gone, which was only slight to begin
with. the bruisey color was gone. the redness at pt. of impact was gone. the pain was down by 90%. it felt great. i moved it around. 'i think
you're gonna be fine, jason. if you want to go get xrays or whatever you need to do, you should, but come see me friday and i stay off it and i think
you're gonna be fine.' then he did the regular healing on us. after he said, 'the blockage in the foot is coming back again, but let's just give
it a day or two. we'll work some more on friday.' pretty great.
This is a fantastic hour plus "masters session" with the masters being the birds. haha.
My take on bird song is that Dan Carlson has a company called Sonic Bloom - he did his research at the U of MN -- turns out high frequency bird song
resonates the stomata of plant leaves so that their plant leave cells open up and then the plant leaves absorb nutrients from the morning dew when the
night's cold temperature condenses the air's moisture.
O.K. so that is alchemy in action -- sounds of birds in the morning help the plants grow and the sun controls the cycle -- as Edward Cowie points out
-- the bird songs are activated by a certain light level along with time.
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