The Devil's Chord: The conspiracy to open the portal of consciousness and mystery of the octave, page 6

reply to post by HIWATT

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it was indeed more violent than other chords and i will say although i can play guitar i have no real understanding of music theory, i play bass most of the time too as well as a an ESP 7 string (now that played through a randall amp sounds like the devil escaping especially when you detune the low B to low A YEAH!) whether these chords open up other dimensions is up for debate, personally i like to keep an open mind but i do always feel a hell of a lot better when i've had a blast on my guitar.

no pun intended when i say "hell of a lot better"

reply to post by fulllotusqigong

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So to know what you know we have to lock ourselves up in a libraray for ten years and try to sit in a perfect triangle and resonate sounds while reading? Okay besides that what can the everyday person learn from this or are we just supposed to take your word on that one?? Just curious to your response really

reply to post by fulllotusqigong

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Very interesting thread, but not for the reasons you might think ...

I'm a professional musician who went to Berklee College of Music in Boston. I studied music composition and have a good understanding of music theory. Here is my rub: all the basic info in the OP is more or less correct, but the conclusions are pure speculation and misleading.

Next time I read about a "conspiracy" in a field that I'm not specialised in I'm going to think twice about the data presented. I won't take all the info at face value. Some people just make stuff up ...

reply to post by Beavers

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If you play the high E and the A string together, you will have a perfect 4th.

E-A
A-D
D--G
B-E
Are perfect 4ths, standard tuning for a guitar.

Play the high E string and The the first fret of the A string to get a diminished 5th. That pattern works all over the fretboard unless you are playing the g string and b string together.

G -B is a 3rd. ( the 2nd and third string.)

Maybe better for you to google intervals

Originally posted by AllIsOne
reply to post by fulllotusqigong

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Very interesting thread, but not for the reasons you might think ...

I'm a professional musician who went to Berklee College of Music in Boston. I studied music composition and have a good understanding of music theory. Here is my rub: all the basic info in the OP is more or less correct, but the conclusions are pure speculation and misleading.

Next time I read about a "conspiracy" in a field that I'm not specialised in I'm going to think twice about the data presented. I won't take all the info at face value. Some people just make stuff up ...

"the conclusions are pure speculation and misleading. " Care to qualify this? I don't think you can prove that any more than the Op can prove his theory... there are too many Unknowns.

It is a fact that when humans hear certain sounds it seems to stimulate certain areas of the brain responsible for things we call faith healing or the creation or manipulation of matter at the quantum level. Many things can do this but sound is the one the Op choose to pick on. What the Op seeks to do is take this established research a step further by using math to understand and recreate this mechanism - as I understand it.. something that as of yet, cannot be dis-proven or proven - yet worth exploring.

Originally posted by iLoGiCViZiOnS
reply to post by fulllotusqigong

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So to know what you know we have to lock ourselves up in a libraray for ten years and try to sit in a perfect triangle and resonate sounds while reading? Okay besides that what can the everyday person learn from this or are we just supposed to take your word on that one?? Just curious to your response really

haha. O.K. this thread, by necessity, deals with conceptual information -- words. Actually the ten years of self-study I did was after I got my masters degree which was self-directed research on this topic also. But the real training I did only was intense training for about six months taking classes from Chunyi Lin, the qigong master.

The classes were through the local community college but I also got the credit for my final self-directed research for my masters degree at the U of MN. Anyone can take the qigong classes -- but my approach was through this understanding of nonwestern music.

So I did take music classes in college -- I was accepted into the music composition degree at UW-Madison which bragged that its graduates all got into the Ivy League graduate programs in music composition (Princeton, etc.). I had already taken music composition at Smith College, a women's Ivy League school in Massachusetts while I attended Hampshire College for my first year of school -- an experimental college with no grades based on the English tutorial style like at Oxford.

O.K. so my point is that anyone can learn the secret of nonwestern harmonics as mind body and reality transformation by just studying from the qigong masters -- but it is very rare to find a real qigong master. I listed a few that I have discovered. I first attended a presentation by qigong master Effie P. Chow in 1995 in Minneapolis and she blew the fuses the room behind us. At the first class I first experienced the chi energy as a magnetic ball pushing my hands apart.

So it's really best to experience the energy first. For me it was through my hours of piano practice that I first experienced the complementary opposite of the Perfect Fifth and Perfect Fourth. In other words the energy comes from emotional power -- and through the blues music and the bending of the Perfect Fifth and Perfect Fourth I could feel this pulling and pushing that went against the Western tuning. So that's how I knew there was a secret to music beyond the Western tuning.

So when I first took a piano theory class I learned that the Perfect Fifth is C to G as 2:3 and the Perfect Fourth is G to C as 3:4 -- but this does not make sense for Western harmonics and Western mathematics -- in fact this is the original Pythagorean teaching. Only later did I discover that it is noncommutative math and is the same as yin and yang in Taoism and also the same as the three gunas of Indian philosophy. So you have 1:2 and 2:3 and 3:4 as the Pythagorean Tetrad.

O.K. so anyway the teachings can be done as a free self-directed study by studying the free online books and doing the practices. Also people can get a c.d. that guides the harmonic practice of the 12 note scale as the small universe exercise -- it's a half hour practice.

So if you do just half hour a day you'll feel dramatic results ---- this info is also free online in various places.

I already posted the "moving of yin and yang" exercise from youtube and so if a person practices that a half hour a day they will also activate the complementary opposite resonance.

There are certain sounds that align with each organ -- for healing purposes. So actually the sound turns into electrochemical energy called "jing" in Taoism -- but actually each organ of the body is associated with a particular emotion -- and so each sound also heals each emotion.

But also the "throat singing" found in meditation -- Tibetan and Mongolian and also throat singing of Innuit, etc. -- this relies on activating the parasympathetic nervous system as deep meditative relaxation and then the OHM sound is of the heart 7 beats a second resonance -- it's also the frequency of the drum head -- so the frequency or pitch of the drum head as 7 beats a second can also be the rhythm as 7 beats a second.

So this sound of the heart is actually the conversion of the electrochemical energy into electromagnetic energy that is then stored into the "lower tan tien" -- or energy field below and behind the navel -- where the parasympathetic and sympathetic nervous systems (the yin and yang) meet together.



So the females sing all night because the sound of the female voice is actually the jing or N/om energy being transmitted - the kundalini energy. The males then do the trance dance.

Originally posted by galacticgirl
Wow - totally mind opening and mind blowing thread. I do not understand most of the technical stuff about music - going right over my head - but I can relate this information to a very real life changing/healing that I experienced in January of 1989. I will preface by saying I have always been drawn to classical music and have gone to as many symphony performances as I could attend.

I was diagnosed with Hepatitis B. Was headed for liver failure. Insurance called it a preexisting condition. No $$ for transplant. I had started doing visualization for healing - "seeing" the "bad" cells being eaten by "good" ones. My mother practically carried me to a performance by the Israeli Symphony Orchestra. Itzok Perlman played the violin. As he played the most beautiful music I thought I'd ever heard - I started crying there in the symphony hall and could not stop.

As I sat there crying and breathing deeply - I had a vision of all the hepatitis cells draining from the top of my head down through my body. As the hep cells reached my feet - I had a vision of them leaving my toes and rolling out across the floor. (trust me - I know this sounds nuts - I wouldn't believe it unless I had experienced it.)

I told my mother that the hepatitis B had left my body - and asked for another round of blood tests imediately. My hematologist scoffed but did another series of tests a few days later. He patted me on the head and told me that things like this just didn't happen. Test results showed NO Hepatitis B in my system. I knew that already.

I have always known that the healing and the notes from I. Perlman's violin - sound frequencies - would be an important break through in healing. I have shared this story with very few people - not wanting to be perceived as completely off the wall. But the proof is in my hematologist's files.

This is exactly what I'm talking about! Thanks for sharing your amazing healing experience! Here's more of them:

Originally posted by Beavers
reply to post by fulllotusqigong

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I loved this post and found it fascinating.

Not being a big player in music theory, how do I replicate this on my guitar?

Yeah you would want to use a fretless guitar -- like the sitar has moveable frets.

The western tuning is allowed in the Indian music but it's just considered the "materialist" tuning.

So basically the Western mathematics of irrational geometry come from music theory -- not the other way around.

The real music is based on listening to infinity that can not be visualized -- instead of a contained geometry. It's the difference between length as geometry and distance as arithmetic -- the square root of two is the first irrational number as the major 2nd music interval cubed or 9/8 cubed. But the square root of two is infinitely irrational as geometric length -- contained infinity -- the Devil's Chord or Tritone.

In contrast the Perfect Fifth and Perfect Fouth natural tunings resonate infinitely as complementary opposites -- so there is resonance and feedback throughout the whole frequency spectrum -- so sound turns into light.

This is the great secret and it's also why musicians in Indian in medieval times were documented to have paranormal powers.

Traditionally the musician in India is also a yoga master because the body is the true music instrument and the mind as well.

This is also called the Harmony of Heaven and Earth whereas the Freemasonic logarithmic mathematics is called the Separation of Heaven and Earth through mass ritual sacrifice.

What about the tritone paradox, or the shephard tone? In order to counter-effect the so called "matrix-hoax", what kind of music (sheet music example, please) should be played to counter-effect it?

Originally posted by jazz10
reply to post by fulllotusqigong

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Very very interesting indeed. You get a star and flag from me. This is what ATS is about. Its a conspiracy forum.
What other topics do you personally consider to be related to this topic. I am asking because, sound is based on vibrations and frequency. However how about our other senses?

Right in the OP I gave a quote about a Matrix technology in development by Sony based on using ultrasound - this is also called the Brainport and has been tested by the military because the Brainport uses the "sixth sense" as proprioception.

Proprioception is the sense of the inner ear as electrochemical vibrations and this inner ear ultrasound sense can convert this vibration into any of the other perceptions -- your brain can adapt so that it can "see" literally with its tongue -- three dimensionally - -just by hooking up sensors to the tongue.

The sense of smell is the most primitive and directly goes to the limbic brain and is directly a "quantum phonon" perception relying on frequency quantum resonance -- and so it's also closely tied to the hippocampus where there is long term memory storage. This again is an electrochemical process -- so that smell triggers deep memories based on quantum resonance of the brain.

So actually proprioception is also quantum and enables synaethesia of all the senses but also enables synchronization of the electrochemical energy into the quantum energy of the brain.

Stuart Hameroff has done the most research on this -- conspiracy literally means "spiral unity" or con (with) spiro (spiral) -- it's the spirochetes of the brain as a quantum entanglement resonance. So these spirochetes then create biophoton light as a quantum computer holograph -- if we were to translate it into Western science terms -- but from this holograph of coherent biophoton or spirit energy then all the senses can be cross-related and interwoven holistically.

The pineal gland then transduces the other senses as electromagnetic information -- so then the pineal gland actually transmits electromagnetic energy outside of the body and this then is reflected internally back in the body. So if someone has an emotional blockage it manifests as a prioprioception vibration of the internal organ which also is tied to a color.

So for example green is the healthy color of the liver but someone with a blocked liver then has anger -- so the person should eat more greens to clear out their liver. Or smoking causes depression because the emotion of the lungs is sadness and the color of the lungs is white and this is manifested in the white of the eyes -- so if there is damage to the lungs through toxins in the air then the whites of the eyes turn red or yellow, etc.

Originally posted by jrmcleod
reply to post by fulllotusqigong

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Maybe i have missed something in your OP but i'm confused...

What your saying is that there is a sound that can be produced that can open a portal and can also heal you along with transforming matter etc?

You go on further to explain about mathematics...which is where you kinda lose me, but you dont elaborate further on the below:

1. How do you actually make the sound
2. Is the sound recorded anywhere online?
3. What would happen to you if you heard the sound?

Can you maybe elaborate more on the principles of the sound and its effects?

haha. Good questions. Actually I'm talking about listening as the dominant form of perception. So we hear sound - but where does sound actually come from? We hear sound in our heads but what is the true source of sound.

The West measures sound using geometric logarithmcs but I was trained in music and so my experience of listening to sound was the push and pull -- the inherent desire -- in the Perfect Fifth and Fourth ratios -- most prevalant in the blues music.

O.K. so then as I studied music theory I discovered a contradiction that is ignored -- and covered-up and this led me (through math and music theory) to discover that the source of sound is consciousness itself.

Consciousness is the formless process of complementary opposites -- infinitely - so no one is listening.

The Pythagoreans taught that One is not a number. Why? Because this is also taught in nonwestern philosophy -- One is also the I-thought -- One is Male and Two is female while one is not a number -- two is the first number as material reality but two as female reflects or resonates from the source of One which is formless -- called Apeiron in Greek philosophy.

So Apeiron is also called the Emptiness in Taoism and Buddhism and it's also called Consciousness in Indian philosophy but also the Self.

So actually the One as not a number means that the source of sound in our head is actually infinite consciousness as this process of complementary opposites.

O.K. so it's also the source of the I-thought. We all have the I-thought but where does it come from? It goes away when we are in deep sleep not having any dreams but we wake up and it's still there. We can infer -- we can logically infer that our consciousness is not based on the sound in our heads nor even what we see -- so we have this sense of I but it is not defined by sound nor by vision.

So if we literally repeat I-I-I-I to ourselves and really listen to the source of the I-thought -- if we repeat and hold onto the I-thought and exclude all other thoughts -- then the source of the I-thought in this silence resonates into light energy.

So it's a process of infinite energy creation through the transformation of sound into ultrasound that ionizes our internal electrochemicals and then from there the ultrasound undergoes acoustic cavitation to create sonofusion which then resonates our protons for alchemy -- sonofusion creates sonoluminscence -- light from sound -- but also creates a quantum white hole for alchemy -- hotter than the sun.

reply to post by fulllotusqigong

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(((So western tuning limits the harmonics because Western tuning is based on logarithims that attempt to contain infinity as visual materialistic geometry -- Freemasonry. Instead the harmonics resonate infinitely so there is no beginning and no ending -- we exist within the sound that can not be heard but we listen to infinitely and this process of complementary opposites creates light energy and also electromagnetic energy and also electrochemical bliss energy. )))

More simply stated, "It's not the notes you play, it's the ones you don't". Jerry Garcia.

I believe your off with the western vs eastern music thing. This exists in classical, blues, rock, bluegrass, jazz,etc

I'd like to add that you're even further off by focusing on written music and this may be what's taking you furthest from understanding. ie. Is it the writing of anything that helps to achieve this in your own examples such as in cathedrals, no. written music is similar to lines on a road, a guide, but has little bearing on how you drive, (or how you play) where you actually go or how fast or slow. This is not achieved by rigid guidelines.

Originally posted by abeverage
The Golden Child

I have not watched the movie in a long time but it was just on the other day. Syncronicity.

Sardo Numspa sits in the lotus position and does a chant (not familiar enough with notes) as to what key to open a portal to Hell?

And doesn't Murphy's character spin a instrument that makes a hum as well? I hu hu hu I want the knife....

I just thought this was interesting since it was just on.

Maybe you could shed some light on this and I was just reading about a frequency of 528Hz The so called 11:11 meditation frequency.

How do you feel about these? Are they evil or does this and the Devils Chord just stir feelings and emotions of desire that was labled evil in early history?

edit on 9-2-2012 by abeverage because: (no reason given)

Right a lot of people have mentioned "other" harmonic magic type systems but they all still rely on the commutative math -- this is the crucial difference.

Obviously people know that the secret to another reality is through "vibes" and resonance, etc. but unfortunately most people have not really studied music theory on an indepth level.

So the Solfeggio stuff again just claims there was some secret in early Christian monk music - -and this is true -- but they give no real evidence and the claim for that type of secret is wrong -- it's not any one frequency that I'm talking about.

The same is true about the various other tuning systems -- again this is all based on "divide and average" mathematics -- and so all the other "octave" claims are not really challenging the foundation of Western math and music -- both being based on a visual geometry logarithmic tuning.

So actually the real deal for the portal to consciousness is complementary opposites or asymmetry -- as noncommutative math -- and so it's very simple but very radical because it challenges the very foundation of Western thinking. As I said it has been rediscovered in quantum physics which is the new foundation of science but the very foundation of quantum physics leads to consciousness that can only be logically inferred.

So it's called the "time-frequency uncertainty principle" in quantum physics and it's more primary than the Heisenberg uncertainty principle which still relies on commutative math.

So this basic concept of asymmetry -- in science - it is still tied to the Lefthand Path as the Devil.

For example:

Lucifer's Legacy The Meaning of Asymmetry By FRANK CLOSE Oxford University Press

Originally posted by JackTheTripper
What about the tritone paradox, or the shephard tone? In order to counter-effect the so called "matrix-hoax", what kind of music (sheet music example, please) should be played to counter-effect it?

haha. There's a great book called the "Haunting Melody" by Theodore Reik who was a psychologist and contemporary of Freud in Vienna -- hanging out with Brahms.

The idea of Reik is that when we get an ear worm there is a subconscious message going on.

So for example a melody pops in our head but we can't remember the words at first. But then if we can remember the words we find that it relates -- subconsciously -- and more than relates -- it reveals -- the secret emotional meaning to what we are thinking or experiencing at the time.

So I would say the Tritone Paradox is really about the mystery of the octave -- the paradox of amplitude versus frequency or time as phase space (amplitude) versus frequency.

The octave can be doubled but it can also be squared -- both with the value of four.

So that is the secret "bait and switch" by Archytas that created the Tritone.

So Archytas created the double octave so that the octave is 2 as "half" of the string length -- and then this 2:1 ratio enables the commutative math so that (arithmetic mean times harmonic mean equals geometric mean squared). Archytas created these new terms but this equation is considered to be from Babylonian math.

O.K. so the secret to remember is that Western music is based on the commutative principle but in reality -- based on the secret of Pythagoras -- sound is noncommutative - so that even Number itself is asymmetric -- the 1:2 divides as complementary opposites.

Archytas then squared the 3:2 to 9:4 and that is the eleventh interval which he divided back into the first octave as 9:8 and the cubed as the tritone.

O.K. so all of that presupposes a logarithmic tuning of the octave when in fact -- empirically -- mathematically -- the octave and the fifth do not geometrically divide evenly -- there is instead not a "divide and average" containment of geometry as sound but in reality an infinite resonance of the fifth and fourth as complementary opposites.

So 9:8 cubed is the tritone as the square root of two -- and this was the original mass sacrifice ritual to create the chariot technology in India circa 3000 BCE -- so the Pythagorean theorem goes back to ancient Rishi altar geometry as documented by mathematician Abraham Seidenberg who also published academic articles promoting the mass ritual sacrifice geometry as a secret society through the "separation of heaven and earth."

So originally in Egypt the base of the triangle is earth (ISIS) and the height is heaven (Osiris) and the hypotenuse is the complementary opposites of Set (satan, the devil) and Horus (Jesus, Joshua).

But the Western "greek miracle" was to take the symmetric Brahmin Vedic phonetic logic of the phoencian Babylonian mathematics (arithmetic mean times harmonic mean equals geometric mean squared) to contain this infinite resonance of complementary opposites into a "compromised" or inaccurate tuning.

Thereby shutting off the natural resonance of sound into light.

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