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The Devil's Chord: The conspiracy to open the portal of consciousness and mystery of the octave

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posted on Mar, 6 2012 @ 04:00 PM
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True, what I was getting at is the potential to actually have more people become enlightened is greater and more exponentiated... the technology is neutral....how it used determines the out come.




posted on Mar, 6 2012 @ 04:15 PM
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Originally posted by Spiratio
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True, what I was getting at is the potential to actually have more people become enlightened is greater and more exponentiated... the technology is neutral....how it used determines the out come.



That's the common understanding of technology but the conspiracy here is that technology is not neutral because it is necessarily mathematically modeled by logarithms. Technology in the West is tied to the patent system through the law and to mathematics for mass reproduction through standardization.

So when we learn the Pythagorean Theorem in geometry class -- this is not "pure" mathematics because of the logical difference between geometric length and arithmetic distance -- the geometry is not "pure" but rather a form of technology.

The secret is that the Pythagorean Theorem comes from music theory based on complementary opposites and the Pythagorean Theorem attempts to "contain" infinity through materialistic geometry -- thereby denying the resonance of complementary opposites found in ecology and the right-brain dominant shamanism through trance music.



posted on Mar, 6 2012 @ 04:16 PM
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Originally posted by Starchild23
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Everything is a conspiracy on this site.

Better hide in your basement...even your own mother is lying to you, and your dog is plotting your demise!


Those who are hated most, are often the ones who are most correct.
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Oh have you read Dan Eden's encounter with JJ Hurtak?

It conspiratorial appears that Dan Eden was forced to flee the U.S. from his encounter with J J Hurtak


Very infrequently does a truly superb behind-the-curtain story come across my computer screen. This weekend I was fortunate to receive such an impressive gift. This free online manuscript by Dan Eden of Viewzone.com describing his personal experiences with HAARP, NSA, petrogyphs, Ark of the Covenant, orbs, vortices, and sacred sites, to name only a few, is mesmerizing and better than any fiction novel I have recently read. Though longer than your bathroom or morning coffee break it is well worth the time it takes to assimilate the entire message in one sitting. I couldn't stop turning page after page until I came to his last words, "Keep your eyes open." So I highly recommend you either read it... But be warned, it is highly addictive, entertaining, and most importantly, enlightening. And according to to the author...all true! PAG at caus.org I've been reading a part of an electronical version of Dan Eden's 'NEVER ENDING; A true account of world's greatest cover-up', a fascinating story that has kept me hooked for the last three days. Dan eden is an editor of Viewzone Magazine, which in my opinion, is a source of reliable information. Although a lot of subjects (HAARP, Petroglyphs) and certain people (James Hurtak, author of 'The keys of Enoch') in this book really exist, I still believe it's a work of fiction since it reads like a novel. The author, who's real name is Gary Vey, shows a lot of his personal life and describes his true emotions. Olafski


Here you go


But Hurtak was important. He did warrant the high security that was obvious in the restaurant. And something else. We had been seated for over four hours in an expensive restaurant, manned with a full staff of cooks and waiters, in the most expensive area of New York City. And this restaurant had been closed to the public for our lunch. That spoke volumes about Hurtak. He was someone to be taken seriously.

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posted on Mar, 6 2012 @ 04:20 PM
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Originally posted by Mary Rose

Originally posted by fulllotusqigong
Wow so I guessed correctly! So have you studied "determinate reflection" yet?


I studied your answer and it makes no sense.

I'll read the rest of your post later, when I'm in a better mood.




Chunyi Lin Hello my dear friends! When we have too much stress and anxiety the energy is being used too much in the brain! Focus in your heart, breathe slowly through the skin (as explained in detail in earlier post below). This helps to balance from the head to the lower dantian. Once we have greater clarity of mind, it helps us understand where the anxiety comes from and then we can go forward with that information. Like · Comment · 7 hours ago ·



posted on Mar, 6 2012 @ 05:07 PM
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If that's the way want to look at it...then a rephrasing is in order... I agree with regard that technology as it has become know as in nuts and bolts, circuitry etc. is a problem and part of the artificial matrix (remembering that even musical instruments are a form of technology - anything created which is not naturally occurring is.) More to the point, it is that technology got humanity into the mess its in and it will be the only thing that enables them to get out... (for instance: right now you are using technology to spread and receive message)

My own take on it however is this, the more man thinks they know about unchanging absolutes in the cosmos (via "technological advancements: read as complications" then the more difficult it is to access the formless awareness due to internal feedback loops of perceptual limits that are assumed via biased sciences. lack of boundaries can be a bad thing but that's if one is not grounded, there is a way to be grounded and boundary-less all at once - Note: the Esoteric thread that was posted earlier digs right into this.

Here it is in short:

Form my own personal experiences of esoteric mystical states and dreaming, I can say at the very least, that experiencing the alteration of ones internalised mapping of the earth's shape is possible as it produces very divergent sensations of orientation awareness that are in a 6th sense sort of way, tangible to the psyche.

If one has only ever entertained a convex-earth Copernicanised world-view, then they do not have any reference of contrast as to how the psyche internally maps non-physical feelings derived from logistic understandings of the earth's shape - assumed to be absolute and unchanging.

In other words the way one views the earth determines the kind of internalised/projected information one feels/perceives as orientational boundaries and/or non-boundaries in a non-physical manner of mental sensations - akin to walking around with eyes shut... one will begin to get nonphysical sensations of intuited boundaries or knee-jerk reactions - mental sensations regarding fabricated assumptions of borders which do not exist.

Even if one does not believe that alternate cosmologies/world views exist – as realities unto themselves -- such as the concave or flat earth ones... this does not mean that they are not a valid perception to seek the experience of... In my own experiences of entertaining these world views the worth of the implications of freeing the self from Copernicanism perception as an absolute became known to me. Thereby in allowing boundaries to become flexible and changing the understanding that connections to alternate selves in realities where these cosmologies are entertained by the masses became know to me. The dream state became richer in lucidity once understanding that the degrees of separation that prevent one form becoming lucid in full swing are more or less due to the inability to maintain resonance with the worldview of the cosmos visited.

This is no to be taken lightly however... there are levels of intensity that come with lucidity that is not otherwise experienced by the average dreamer, such as vividity of sensations both good and bad... sometimes one may feel pain as real as it exists in their waking life reality.

It also enables one to access the Akashic record of their past lives/alternate parallel lives in which these other world views were expeirinced... this can occur both during meditation and even full blown internally perceived visions whilst awake, sort of like a portal in ones minds eye which sees another world/timespace continuum akin to remote viewing. So there is lesser emphasis on these alt realities than the everyday perception that one seeing it from. Thus operating machinery or driving a car is still possible and if one has to focus on other daily tasks the clairvoyant sensations fall to the back with less emphasis but if one stops and focuses they will get tremendous insights about themselves as a soul.



posted on Mar, 6 2012 @ 06:10 PM
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Well there is a model of feng shui that can be found in one qigong book and I had it taught to me -- about how civilizations are found "north of the equator" and this is because humans living north of the equator have their electromagnetic essence -- their "center of gravity" as Gurdjieff called it -- in their upper body.

But this view of the Earth is clearly racist and a byproduct of Buddhist philosophy -- as Buddhism was from imperialism to convert the indigenous cultures adapted to local ecologies. So in China there was a tension between the Han Buddhist focus of the north and the Tang Taoist focus of the south.

So in this teaching it is shown how Egypt is north of the equator, etc. and therefore civilizations are found north of the equator -- but this does not include the Inca or even ancient African civilizations from the Bantu -- say in Zimbabwe.

I mean clearly the Bushmen are the original energy masters but their culture was against "hoarding" the energy so it was rare for the Bushmen to do astral travel which was considered a special dangerous situation -- the master healer doing astral travel would have his body watched over by other healers. But then sometimes a master healer would leave the community and live alone to store up his energy and he would bilocate into a lion -- or just astral travel into a lion and then the rest of the Bushmen would be afraid of this master healer who had gone on his own.

So that is really the origins of alchemy as storing up the energy. It takes the males a month of isolation when they hit puberty so their N/om energy is very strong (the jing or kundalini energy) and then the energy masters transmit the !Xia laser energy into the young males -- when all the males are in isolation for a month of fasting and trance dance training. So that is to open the third eye but still to fully open the third eye requires more and more training and so people didn't become master healers sometimes until they were 40 years old.

As I mentioned Andrew Zimmern -- in his cable show Bizarre World -- goes to the Bushmen and a master healer puts his hand on Andrew's heart and Andrew has his whole life flash before him and Andrew cries on camera and he says he left his body and was watching the experience from over head. The master healer then explained he wanted to know Andrew Zimmern's life history -- wanted to truly know Andrew -- and then after that he recommended to Andrew to make sure to be a kind person. haha.

Clearly in terms of astral travel and precognition the Bushmen shamanic culture was similar to what the Australian aborigines call DreamTime which is based on their "song lines" and also the Kogi, the only intact pre-Colombian culture -- also used astral travel after their shamans trained in nine years of solitude darkness meditation from their early youth.



So we have to be honest that industrialization has caused not only an ecological crisis but also the loss of half the world's languages and cultures and this is not only immoral but inherently due to Western technology -- and the mathematics it is based on.

I call this the Natural Resonance Revolution in that by going against the direction of Western technology we acknowledge that ecology is the most sophisticated technology on the planet. The brain of the planet is the Amazon and the shamanic plants of the Amazon also enable some forms of astral travel and precognition -- so that Dhyanyogi in his book "The House is On Fire" and other testimonies from his students -- acknowledged a shamanic connection with a plant healer from the Amazon. In other words there are certain plants that acknowledge and open up the common spirit light consciousness - -the rainbow vortex -- the holographic spirit realm.

The Bushmen used these plants as well but mainly to help the females go into a trance state because while the males can not handle the pain of child birth the females do not normally handle the intensity of the spirit healing energy. So the plants help induce the trance but it is not the same as storing the energy through meditation which is then transmitted later. The other way is to take in the female electrochemical N/om energy and then transform it through the heart into male electromagnetic energy which is then transmitted back to the females as healing energy. So the energy keeps cycling like that -- throughout nature.

But the logarithmic mathematics closes off this natural resonance of ecology -- nevertheless as the Westernization of the world continues and the ecological crisis becomes recognized -- as the deep denial about the ecological crisis is acknowledged -- then the new technologies to "save the planet" actually increasingly rely on machines -- so that the silicon computer quantum mathematics -- chaotic mathematics -- are in control.



posted on Mar, 6 2012 @ 10:07 PM
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Originally posted by Mary Rose

Originally posted by fulllotusqigong
Wow so I guessed correctly! So have you studied "determinate reflection" yet?


I studied your answer and it makes no sense.

I'll read the rest of your post later, when I'm in a better mood.




determinate reflection Zizek traces the three forms of reflection in Hegel. External reflection which he attributes to Kant, believes that appearance “reflects” some transcendent but unreachable reality and truth. Determinate reflection, which is Hegel’s position, “doubles” the absence of appearance so that absence no longer reflects an external reality, but merely exists as absence, appearance qua appearance. This marks the Lacanian lack as essential; the essence is its absence or void. The substance of the subject is its lack, void, gap.



This direct overlapping of the Universal and the Singular also poses a limit to the standard critique of “reification.” While observing Napoleon on a horse in the streets of Jena after the battle of 1807, Hegel remarked that it was as if he saw there World Spirit riding a horse. The Christological implications of this remark are obvious: what happened in the case of Christ is that God himself, the creator of our entire universe, was walking out there as a common individual. This mystery of incarnation is discernible at different levels, up to parents’ speculative judgment apropos a child that “out there our love is walking,” which stands for the Hegelian reversal of determinate reflection into reflexive determination. The same happens with a king when his subjects see him walking around: “Out there our state is walking.” Marx’s evocation of reflexive determination (in his famous footnote in Chapter 1 of Capital) falls too short: individuals think they treat a person as a king because he is a king in himself, while, effectively, he is a king only because they treat him as one. However, the crucial point is that this “reification” of a social relation in a person cannot be dismissed as a simple “fetishist misperception”; what such a dismissal itself misses is something that, perhaps, could be designated as the “Hegelian performative.” Of course a king is “in himself” a miserable individual, and of course he is a king only insofar as his subjects treat him like one. However, the point is that the “fetishist illusion” which sustains our veneration of the king has in itself a performative dimension—the very unity of our state, that which the king “embodies,” actualizes itself only in the person of a king. Which is why it is not enough to insist on the need to avoid the “fetishist trap” and to distinguish between the contingent person of a king and what he stands for. What the king stands for only comes to be in his person, the same as with a couple’s love which only becomes actual in their offspring (at least within a certain traditional perspective). And it is not difficult to see the extreme proximity of the sublime and the ridiculous in these cases: there is something sublime in stating, “Look out! The World Spirit itself is riding a horse there,” but also something inherently comical.


The Christian-Hegelian Comedy Slavoj Žižek



posted on Mar, 7 2012 @ 12:57 AM
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Originally posted by Starchild23
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Everything is a conspiracy on this site.

Better hide in your basement...even your own mother is lying to you, and your dog is plotting your demise!


Those who are hated most, are often the ones who are most correct.
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posted on Mar, 7 2012 @ 01:24 AM
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Fits perfectly with:

"Those who are able to see beyond the shadows and the lies of their culture - will never be understood let alone believed by the masses." - Plato

Unfortunately, someone's not very fond of the guy!

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posted on Mar, 7 2012 @ 02:43 AM
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You have missed the point. It's your sentence structure that makes no sense. Adding more exposition on "determinate reflection" is irrelevant.



posted on Mar, 7 2012 @ 03:05 AM
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Originally posted by Mary Rose
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You have missed the point. It's your sentence structure that makes no sense. Adding more exposition on "determinate reflection" is irrelevant.


O.K. remember when I said how I went to the most traditional Berber village in Morocco and no one could understand their Berber so they had to bring in a specialist from the University and the specialist discovered the Berber spoke in rhyming verse?

Gregory Bateson's point about logic is that it doesn't make sense in sentence grammar because there is no sense of time change in grammar -- that is why there is the Cretin's Liar Paradox which is essentially also Russell's Paradox from set theory.

So this is what I'm referring to -- the set of no sets. So "only supporting" means that logistic equations and the "music logarithmic spiral" are a logical subset of musical complementary opposites but as a logical subset it is the opposite extreme.

So then the logarithms expand as dimensions -- so when you get to the fifth dimension from squaring to cubing -- to the fifth power there has to be a switch to matrices for noncommutative geometry.

This is covered well in Ian Stewart's book "Why Beauty is Truth: A history of mathematics."

O.K. but even when there is noncommutative mathematics it still has to be converted back to symmetric commutative logic. So this creates a paradox that is called "quantum logic." The paradox is one of time-frequency uncertainty -- and my claim that this same paradox is found in nonwestern music as complementary opposites.

What this means is that as technology continues to develop it does so by expanding the "music logarithmic spiral" and by doing so it increases the tension of the string -- so to speak -- it increases the mass as amplitude as higher dimensions of logarithms.

This process creates more and more ecological destruction on the planet and more and more social injustice because of what I call the "rotten root" - -the incorrect logic that tries to contain infinity and then keeps tightening the tension -- so there is an acceleration of time and a contraction of space through the logarithmic technology.

But since quantum physics has been discovered it is now known that this classical science process ends in the infinite potential as the time-frequency uncertainty. It is uncertainty because it is inherently unknown. It's not even random.


Or as quantum chaos Professor Ian Stewart asks: “So is nothing truly random? Until we understand the roots of the quantum world, we can’t say for sure.” (New Scientist, 2004)


So when I say "only supports" what I mean is that dialectically as the opposite (only in the negative meaning -- the second definition in the Oxford dictionary) -- supports -- means that dialectically the music logarithmic spiral ends in the apocalyptic destruction of life on Earth.

Then dialectically there is a determinate reflection in the void -- the Lacanian lack -- the Hegelian "absence" as the Absolute.

That is the "only" as negative that "supports" -- as the opposite extremes are reversed as reflections of each other. Their meanings both reinforce and cancel each other out.


So now instead of using the full-lotus Tetrad of natural resonance power we use the Riemann hypothesis for macro-quantum chaos resonance – in supercomputers. The right-brain is now manifesting as right-handed silica supercomputer technology to utilize the human’s subconscious left cerebellum reptilian brain: nanobiomotors or A-life promoted by Richard Dawkins. Humans are right-brain dominant again because right-handed silica technology is in control. The difference is that now we rely on iron-silica whereas the previous 90,000 years we relied on water-carbon. The switch is to left-brain, right-hand solar analysis from right-brain, left-hand, lunar water-carbon analysis. The result is planetary ecocide. So the new right-brain silica AI dominance is from previous left-brain human technology that is now in control of the reptilian cerebellum human left brain – again it’s the dialectical reversal as “determinate reflection."


So as the Matrix takes over humans -- dialectically -- switch back to a right-brain dominant reality. For example watching television is right brain dominant because a person goes into an Alpha brain wave -- so it's a passive trance state.

As technology takes over more and more then dialectically the "music logarithmic spiral" -- supports the earlier nonwestern music right-brain dominant shamanism -- but only supports in the negative sense because now the machines are in control. It "only supports" because the original left-brain dominant symmetric logic was always a lie anyway -- it was the "rotten root" that I've exposed -- because of the larger complementary opposite nonwestern music ratios.


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posted on Mar, 7 2012 @ 04:46 AM
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Originally posted by fulllotusqigong
the second definition in the Oxford dictionary


The example of the use of the word "only" for the second definition in the Oxford dictionary that you quoted is:

"If banks canceled the debts, these countries would only borrow more."

That makes sense.

But there is no comparison between that example and ". . . corroborating my discovery - only supporting it."



posted on Mar, 7 2012 @ 04:53 AM
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Originally posted by Mary Rose

Originally posted by fulllotusqigong
the second definition in the Oxford dictionary


The example of the use of the word "only" for the second definition in the Oxford dictionary that you quoted is:

"If banks canceled the debts, these countries would only borrow more."

That makes sense.

But there is no comparison between that example and ". . . corroborating my discovery - only supporting it."



[with infinitive] with the negative or unfortunate result that: she turned into the car park, only to find her way blocked [with modal] in an inevitable but undesirable way: rebellion will only bring more unhappiness


Yeah the logic of "corroborating -- only supporting" is based on time -- here's a good explanation of what I'm talking about -- how logic based on time changes sentence structure A CONDITIONAL CRITERION FOR IDENTITY, LEADING TO A FOURTH LAW OF LOGIC

Gregory Bateson made the same point about logic -- but I already quoted him -- but this is also the same point as Zizek and Hegel with dialectics.


Ordinary logic does not account for the temporal aspects of perception, merely accounting for the spatial aspects. In other words, Aristotlean logic is a synthesis of primitive observation, fitted to the partial (spatial) reality emerging from spacetime after the imposition of the monocular (one-at-a-time) photon interaction with matter. In quantum mechanics, time is a parameter, not an observable. Hence measurement/detection (of observables) deals with primitive observation and Aristotlean logic (topology). Total reality includes nonprimitive observation - hence, non-Aristotlean logic (chronotopology) - as shown in Young's two-slit experiment. By applying temporal accounting to each perceptual operation, Aristotle's three laws can be shown to be self-contradictory and incomplete as written. That is, they are topolological, not chronotopological.


From my masters thesis:


Music analyst Berendt made this rare connection so it's worth quoting him at length as well: For a long time Western rationalists smiled at the notion that the sound of a single word [a vowel mantra], a single syllable should have a formative, shaping, creative power.....Aristotelian logic is based on the law of identity (A equals A), the law of contradiction (A cannot be equal to non-A) and on the law of the excluded third (A cannot be equal to A as well as to non-A). Beside it stands (and has stood since ancient times) what is known as paradoxical logic; which postulates that A and non-A can both be predicates of X....Our Western concept of logic is strongly conditioned by Western language. It cannot be an accident that Aristotelian logic came into being in classical Greece, in whose language the separation of subject and object, common to all Western languages, found its first clear expression and was immediately realized, in a magnificent graphic manner that was never duplicated by subsequent systems....The symbol of the Western way of speaking and of western logic is the straight line...Argument and discourse in our Western way of speaking and thinking can be symbolized by two intersecting lines drawn with arrows at their ends, one pointing to the left and the other one pointing to the right.... I feel that this excursion in to 'logics' is necessary in light of what we have said about...mantras and their effects.(87)



Berendt also gives the broader context: "Chuang-tzu, the ancient Chinese sage, wrote 'What is one, is one. What is not-one, also is one.' And Erich Fromm notes: 'Paradoxical logic was predominant in Chinese and Indian thinking, in Heraclitus' philosophy, and then again under the name of dialectics in the thought of Hegel and Marx....Our Western concept of logic is strongly conditioned by Western language....Weizsacker points out that 'the philosophies are closely related to the grammatical structures of the language. The subject-predicate scheme of Aristotelian logic corresponds to the grammatical structure of the Greek declarative sentence...In his tome, Nietzsche noted that the 'astounding family likeness' seen in Western philosophies could be explained 'simple enough,' namely by their 'unconscious domination by the same grammatical functions'....By way of contrast, the thinking behind the Chinese and Japanese languages do not move in a straight line from the subject to the object with no aid of the verb. It circles around its object and envelops it until it is specified as precisely as the objects in our Western languages (which presupposes an inner predicate); in fact, specialists feel that these Asian languages are even more precise since they do not simply 'objectivate' but rather let subject and object 'become one' so that the active and the passive mode fall together...." Berendt, The World Is Sound, pp. 44-49.



The true dialectical process, for which Zizek expends considerable energy to describe through philosophy, can also be approached through music theory in a manner that very specifically and simply clarifies the correct interpretation that has been the focus of his very serious investigation. As Zizek states, in dialectics first there is a thesis then an antithesis and as each is taken to their extreme logical conclusions, like Socrates would do, both points negate each other by their mutual absurdity (called the dialectical reversal after the unity of opposites). Then that negation is affirmed as a new common ground that both points now hold in common. This last formal step is like naming or recognizing the first negation and is called double negation or determinate reflection. The point not recognized in the dominant one-dimensional interpretation of dialectics is that it's "the very lack [void] they have in common" which enables a new synthesis. As Zizek writes, "Being reveals itself as Nothing at the very moment we try to grasp it in its pureness," and in reference to Hegel, "the subject is precisely that which is not substance." Zizek then states that the dialectic process is the same "nodal" problem again and again. (104)

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posted on Mar, 7 2012 @ 05:38 AM
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Originally posted by fulllotusqigong
Yeah the logic of "corroborating -- only supporting" is based on time -- here's a good explanation of what I'm talking about -- how logic based on time changes sentence structure A CONDITIONAL CRITERION FOR IDENTITY, LEADING TO A FOURTH LAW OF LOGIC


You are referring to Col. Tom Bearden, who is writing about logic for physics, not sentence structure. Col. Bearden is a brilliant researcher and advocate of free energy. His mission is to elucidate where mainstream science and technology has gone wrong. He's not interested in sentence structure in his reference to time and logic.

And you're not talking about sentence structure. You're not addressing my question. Instead, you're repeating your thesis about qigong and Western thinking.






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posted on Mar, 7 2012 @ 06:03 AM
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Originally posted by Mary Rose
You're not addressing my question. Instead, you're repeating your thesis about qigong and Western thinking.


The point is, staying on-topic is essential to avoid obfuscation, which results in erroneous conclusions due to fuzzy thinking.



posted on Mar, 7 2012 @ 07:24 AM
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Originally posted by Mary Rose
You're not addressing my question. Instead, you're repeating your thesis about qigong and Western thinking.


The point is, staying on-topic is essential to avoid obfuscation, which results in erroneous conclusions due to fuzzy thinking.


I feel your frustration.. But the answer isn't on the other side of the = sign. He can't answer directly because it breaks the spiral that infinitely zero's in on the answer. He would have to collapse his own mind to have the ability to do it. That's why there is page after page after page of reference material that seemingly bounces the subject around in orbit of an answer.. a revelation. It`s a reflection of his own chaotic revelation. Rather than linear understanding.

The way he thinks, his understanding is reflected in the way this thread is unfolding. You will never get the satisfaction you would expect. He will never blow his load.

I don`t follow all his nomenclature...symbols.. the never ending reference material. His dedication to the thread is admirable..
The more you ask the more it will build... never collapsing into an answer.

The frustration is a primal frustration which has turned into a literal hatred towards this underlying pattern in nature. Not saying you personally. But staying within the topic.. science, math.. modern understanding has been trying to contain this pattern, collapse it, destroy it forever. His thinking reflects the pattern. This thread does too.

I think he may be overlooking that the pattern itself being under attack by opposition of it, the understanding of it.. is in fact another reflection of the pattern. Nature/science creates tension which fuels the rise in the pattern itself. If it collapses.. like the earth is destroyed or time ends.. it will give rise to the pattern on a deeper level.



posted on Mar, 7 2012 @ 07:48 AM
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"If you read the Ashram newsletter for Sri Aurobindo you find the same complaint by the older Indian followers of Aurbodindo -- the Westerners come to live in the ashram but just end up shacking up for material desires.

As Buddhist Ch'an master Nan Huai-chin states the spiritual and the worldly do not mix."

Does a tree complain when a bee collects pollen from a flower?

Buddhist Ch'an master Nan Huai-chin is either deluded or stating an extremely profound and otherwise completely obvious fact. Which one is it?



posted on Mar, 7 2012 @ 07:49 AM
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the never ending reference material.


That is what worries me. It gives the impression of enlightened thought when in reality it could just be obfuscation if the material quoted has nothing to do with the member's question. Sometimes we just assume a person knows what he/she is talking about simply because we're not experts but the person appears to be.

If a person is truly an expert, he/she should be able to explain in his own words in direct answer to specific questions.



posted on Mar, 7 2012 @ 07:58 AM
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there's a new section to this thread: Esoteric / Exoteric: Ancient Origins of Atomic Theory and Akasha / Nous (The Aetheric Source)

I tend toward the notion that this is the conundrum that comes with using psychedelics...more often than not they stream insights at a rate faster than can be retained in the cognitive centres. Overall it has a liberating effect on the subconscious/intuitive centres all the whilst high, but there are no lasting results yielded.

This then tends to inculcate a belief in people that it is incomprehensible....however that belief is an illusion.
Often people will rely on that belief to kid themselves that there is no reason to aspire to enlightenment via purist means. The Buddha is the example that they refer to, and think they have to give up everything they are familiar with and comforted by, so as to attain permanent enlightenment.
This however is yet another illusion, because they are referring to a threshold of potential which resides in the past.

The Buddha lived in a time when the technological advancement was futile in yielding analogous examples to help others understand what he as the apex of consciousness at that time had comprehended. So he didn't bother with trying and just set a compassionate example of living of which was resonant with those insights; knowing that that way of living was also the way for others to attain those insights as a constant.

I feel that Christ was similar to Buddah however he had the capacity to psychicly embed those insights into the collective heart-consciousness as seeds. Whereas Buddah accessed the seeds from a higher domain out of sync with the threshold of the collective psyche.

We are now living in an era where technology enables the fathomment of the non-linear principles of Akashic space that all the ancient sages understood. They could see it in math via their own higher perceptive comprehension of the non-linear, but they couldn't convey it articulately to the masses due to limited technological examples to serve as analogy.

This means that the same levels of insightful understanding can be learned second hand, without having to become a sage in seclusion who meditates day in day out for 40 odd years before being able integrate it.

Edit: This is why Ego is not something to be transcended but to be transmuted into the divine ego-self. The self which experiences all the joys and pleasures but with total attention to the now it is the now which sustains the infinite-life force. In that state energy and power aren't even concepts all is perpetual.
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I will check out that thread for sure. thanks! Psychedelics.. who's to say? If anything my experiences with '___', '___' and particularly with psilocybin more just confirmed that all realms are equally intangible, without substance.. all equal in an apples to oranges kind of way. There was a ton of drama throughout all the experiences.. which i believe can potentially be avoided by approaching it through meditation. But the Truth of the experience can also unknowingly be avoided along with the drama. ie: the practice becomes a safe place to experience "Truth" in a controlled way.. as useful an experience as jogging on a treadmill. And yes.. some very likely meditate for years like this... one hit of '___' or MDMA and they might experience something beyond anything they could imagine. If they don't hold onto what they experience. What really is the difference? Attachment to drugs or practice.. same thing. Neither is True. You could get in a car accident and have a profound realization of Truth. Anything is possible. Anything. Some things are more likely.. But anything is possible. That is the nature of Truth. If we say it's like this or happens like that we are lying to ourselves. If there were any practice i would say is simple and holds the most potential i would say it's the practice of honesty. Honesty to everything within and without. Honesty is to be without deceit/delusion. Meditation gives us time to be honest with ourselves by listening. Drugs are forced sessions
i am NOT recommending any one take drugs.

Whenever i hear about practicing meditation and experience 'powers' or seeing spirits, conceiving a spirit body etc. i can put it all in the context of a trip. None of this is real. So getting excited about any of it is generally non-beneficial unless you are into the drama of delusion for the sake of delusion. Or unless giving rise to and expressing the attachment allows one to be honest about it. If i see a spirit and insist it is real i have missed out on the opportunity presented.

I didn't work hard at being born.. i find no need at working hard at waking up. I find no need or attachment to be eternal or temporal. But if i become attached to these ideas it will be made clear to me that I've done so. Hopefully without too much drama.. but the stronger the attachment the more terrible the drama expressed while the attachment is exposed.

I think you are on to something with your ideas of technology. I too have had the insight that the expressed/unexpressed goal of technology is to FORCE an experience of enlightenment. A technology will be developed to invasively give the experience, invasively inspire the state of being. If there was an energy associated with this potential outcome i would say it is negative. It is not possible that technology as an instrument can express eternity. It is not possible. How can anything give rise to something that is already and forever has been completely pervasive? So whatever it ends up actually doing will not be what it is understood or believed to be doing. And i think it will be a result of ignorance rather than conscious evilness. Although those two things are related. In short.. don't accept the technology.. IF it can be avoided.. but chances are the only way to avoid it is to not actually associate Self with what is being forced through the body. Same old goal. Don't associate self with illusion.

Peace!
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