is Georgia another Medjugorje, Garabandal, Lourdes or Fatima? What message is St Mary sending to USA, page 3

reply to post by ElectricUniverse

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Hi Dear Electric Universe,

This is about the false statement that appears quoted in your last reply, the one posted by the Greatest, claiming that the prayers Catholics use to do the saints are violation of one of the 10 commandments of the Law of God given go Moises:

Genesis 31:42 New International Version (©1984) Jacob said:
If the God of my father, the God of Abraham and the Fear of Isaac, had not been with me, you would surely have sent me away empty-handed. But God has seen my hardship and the toil of my hands, and last night he rebuked you."

Genesis 32:9 Then Jacob prayed, "O God of my father Abraham, God of my father Isaac, O LORD, who said to me, 'Go back to your country and your relatives, and I will make you prosper,

Daniel 2:23 I " thank and praise you, O God of my fathers: You have given me wisdom and power, you have made known to me what we asked of you, you have made known to us the dream of the king."

1 Kings 18:36 "At the time of sacrifice, the prophet Elijah stepped forward and prayed: "O LORD, God of Abraham, Isaac and Israel, let it be known today that you are God in ...

<< 1 Chronicles 29:18 >>
King James Bible
O LORD God of Abraham, Isaac, and of Israel, our fathers, keep this for ever in the imagination of the thoughts of the heart of thy people, and prepare their heart unto thee:

<< Matthew 22 >>
New American Standard Bible
31“But regarding the resurrection of the dead, have you not read what was spoken to you by God: 32‘I AM THE GOD OF ABRAHAM, AND THE GOD OF ISAAC, AND THE GOD OF JACOB’? He is not the God of the dead but of the living.” 33When the crowds heard this, they were astonished at His teaching.

All these paragraphs show that it is not only acceptable but even a very old tradition of faith, that is not exclusive of the Catholic faith but comes directly from the Jewish religion, to pray not only mentioning the name of God but the one of the Holy man that preceeded us, the ones that were in communion with him, as the Prophets of the antiquity, and as the Saints of all the ages that were proven men and women of God.

There are sects in America even deceiving the people, confusing specially the young and unexperience one that is looking for guidance, claiming that the Catholic church is teaching to invoke the spirits of dead people instead to pray, that is an absolute false accusation, Matthew 22:31 is very clear about it, and contains the direct teach of our lord Jesus Christ in that important subject. The Saints are not dead really, they are spiritually in heaven, they are already in the presence of God at this precise moment.

Thanks for your comments,

The Angel of lightness

reply to post by QuietInsanity

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Dear QuietInsanity,

Nancy was a person that respected a lot the faith of the church, she was a woman that offered her ministry all the time to the teaching of the message of Christ for the postmodernity, she wanted to warns us of the arrival of this terrible crisis that we are experiencing since 2001.

If the spiritual experience of Nancy might not be a trully prophetic case we would be by now living in the most glorious moment of the American History and not in the certainly critical one after the worst economical recession occured in the Post great depression times.

Notice that the apparitions of St Mary to Nancy started to occur in 1990 until 1998, so great part of her message was giving during the years of the First Bush and the Clinton Administrations, a so early time with respect to the so difficult times of war in American soil, due to Terrorism, and the subsequent colapse of the national economy that we have experienced, as a consequence of the oil speculation created artificialy precisely with he super aboundance of carburants taken by the great US petroleum companies from Iraq.

To believe that she was a messanger of Jesus or St Mary, it is certainly question of faith, but no body can deny that she went far ahead of her time preventing the arrival of many of the so difficult moments we have experienced in America after the millenium started.

It is clear that Nancy was a trully seer, a person that foresaw the future in a way only God can show to somebody, and her message is a call for this generation to turn to God on time, before the worst comes to us, to look for repentance.

We have seen that her message was not wrong, or exagerated, since it is clear by now that many of our terrible current problems were derivated precisely of wrong decissions and even horrible sins commited in the great spheres of the politics, as for instance:

- The systematic support given by various American administrations to the Afghanian fundamentalist terrorists leaded by Bin Landen when they were fighting against the soviet union.
- The deniel of support to the friendly Mahammed Reza Pahlevi , Sha of Iran, that was for long time the only sincere ally of America in the middle east, and to whom even was denied political assilum when he was dying of cancer, just only to help the arrival to the power to one of the most corrupt regimes Iran ever have had.
- The way in which the peace process signed by Izhaac Rabin and Jaser Arafat was buried by the extremists, without doing nothing the US authorities to prevent it.
- The lies that supported the invasion to Iraq, a country that practically demolished by bombing and which civil population has suffered of terrible harrassment and violence although it is proven that their country didn't have anything to do with the attacks of Sept of 2001.

The person that was known as Nancy Fowler in life, is one of the few special souls that god have touched in the History of this country to give us a special message about the incoming times. Her name will remain for ever remembered as happened in the past with Jeanne Dixon or Edgar Cayce.

As the very religious person she always was, it is our hope that her soul is now resting in the peace of God.

thanks,

The Angel of Lightness

reply to post by The angel of light

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In every one of those examples, they are praying to God, not Abraham, Isaac or Jacob.
In many Catholic prayers, you are praying to and requesting the help from a spirit - not God.
Many Catholics bow in front of a statue of a saint, and pray to THAT spirit - not God.

The world's biggest closet pedophile could have been somebody that the Catholic Church has deemed a 'saint', and yet you may pray to that spirit? How would you tell? Only God judges the person, not the Catholic church.

Please open scripture and ask for the truth. Ask Him for understanding of the following;
"This calls for patient endurance on the part of the saints who obey GOD'S commandments and remain faithful TO JESUS." THESE ARE THOSE WHO OVERCOME.

reply to post by WhoKnows100

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Mmm, it is curious if there is a Catholic priest accused of pedophilia the media in this country use to do a party with that news, since of course it sells a lot of newspapers, it does not matter if it is really true or if somebody is trying to get money from the Church supporting false accusations in a court.

However, the facts are showing that the pedophilia is even more common in the great variety of sects that exist in this country, and that goes from mormons to protestants, including of course evangelical ministers, and even rabbis. Moreover, some of the pedophile pastors and ministers have spread their terrible vice and perversion to other countries in which they were supposedly doing misioner works.

Let me mention only some journalist and statistical research studies about that:

www.energypublisher.com...

www.stufffundieslike.com...

mojoey.blogspot.com...

www.godlikeproductions.com...

forum.davidicke.com...

www.catholic-convert.com...

www.youtube.com...

Of course, these are news you cannot read daily in the headers of the great American News Papers or Media, but have you asked why? because they could expose that the Pedofilia is not a problem of The Catholic church as it was several times falsely claimed, but a problem of this society that is giving tolerance to sexual perversion and that even is accepting that this horrendus practise spreads more and more using the information highways of the Internet, as well as the so popular pornography industry, a branch of the Maffias that operates so freely in America, and that serious candidates like Mr Sanctorum , a Catholic guy, are trying to Ban in a disparate attempt to stop all this wave of Corruption.


Thanks,

The Angel of Lightness

reply to post by The angel of light

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Like I said, I can't prove the visions, but that doesn't mean I don't believe her. I truly don't think she was a hoax. Like I said, I knew her for a short period of time and she seemed like a truly good person, just tired all the time. I think it all put a lot of stress on her. As much as I do believe, all I have to defend her with are my own observations and impressions. I suppose I could add more of what I know of her life, but that would be more like gossiping to strangers about things that weren't and aren't any of my business. Even in her defense, that would be wrong.

As for the rest of your post, we still have a few of the books from the "Our Loving Mother's Children" Ministry. They tell all about the public visions and what the predicted. I admit I never paid much attention to all that, so maybe it's about time to pull them out and see how things stand.

reply to post by QuietInsanity

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The Peace of God to all that belong to the light,
Dear QuaitInsanity,

Yes, I know there is a great polemic, division among diverse catholic teologians and experts in appearitions to determine if what Nancy Fowler experienced in Conyers, GA, was a genuine miracle of God, and of course , a trully revelation of St Mary and Christ to her.

I have read in the last weeks a lot of critics about the messages of Nancy, and I sincerely understand that no miracle at all, even the most famous and well recognized today, were easily accepted by the Church in their respective times.

It is good to remember that Fatima, Guadalupe and Lourdes, that are now completly accepted, all together dealed with great opposition of the Official Religious Hierarchy at their respective time, to be accepted as genuine appearitions, as well as the so well known and sad case of St. Joan of Arc that even was condemned and burned by the fire of the Inquisition as Heretic.

So, to find opposition to Nancy messages is not surprising for me, but i would want to call the attention of the entire catholic scholar community to open their minds to see that what this woman was saying in many aspects as messages in the early 1990, have gradually become facts in all the time that has passed until our days.

Nancy was very self secure to warn that we were approaching a huge period of national crisis, and she said that when we were still on the time of the false impression that globalization was going to carry on only progress and wealth.


Nancy also warned of the danger of grave conflicts to come to America, that even could touch its own territory, and that is something we have dealed with since 2001.

Nancy also prevented that the enemies were comming from Asia, that there were going to be military powers in that continent. Well, during the end of the Bush Administration we saw how, for the very first time in History, the Peoples Republic of China showed publically in the military parades of the celebration of their communist revolution that they are in possession not only on nuclear and H Bombs but of missiles of medium and long reach to launch them even as far as the American continent.

You can see this at : www.nti.org...

One of the interesting aspects of the developing of this technology by China, that of course is not what supposedly an inofensive contry might be doing, is that they are also sharing that technology with other countries, and it is really grave but they are doing so with middle east countries ( Iran perhaps among them ) and possibly with North Korea.

The danger that the Chinese arsenal represents is so evident that even India decided to develop also its own missiles of medium range in order to be in position to respond to an attack of its neighbor, pls check:

www.msnbc.msn.com...

Now, the reaction of China toward the India demonstration of force, was sincerely very arrogant, extremly meaningful if we think that America has too much confidence in that country.

Pls check :

globalspin.blogs.time.com...

Finally, there are new countries in Asia, both very well known friends of China, that also have mysteriously arrived to these same technological advances, as are Iran and North Korea, and that is something that even for the most naive of the observers would represent a clear evidence that Beijing is bulding some kind of Axis of nuclear powers around it in preparation to the possiblitity of a major international conflict.

Please check:

About iran missiles:

www.youtube.com...

About North Korean missiles:

www.bbc.co.uk...

So, in conclusion, we are seeing that all the predictions given through Nancy about the incoming danger that the Communist China might represent for the stability of the world, together with their asian and middle east associates, was not a false warning, indeed was a message that tried to open the eyes of the public opinion in America on time.

Here a link containing all the critics toward the validity of the Apparitions of the Holy virgin to Mrs Nancy Fowler:
www.catholicplanet.com...

I think gradually we are going to see after her death, that she was talking of very real dangers and not mere speculations, and in that way the remaining skepticism will be surppassed.

The point here is that there are many so powerful economic interests that are based on our supposed healthy economical relationship with China, that it is natural to find resistence to accept that we have followed a track in which the only ones that at the end will win the game , are the Chinese, well they practically own our finances right now .

Thanks,

The Angel of Lightness

reply to post by napayshni57

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Hi Dear Napayshni,

Well, first at all I think to connect the masons with Christ is pretty difficult, since it is very well known that along many centuries, at least from the time of the enlightening in France, Voltaire and Russeau were very well known masons, and the subsequent Revolution it promoted in the XVIII century, the relationship in between that organization and the Catholic church has been really very conflictive and perhaps one of the worst ever existed among two organizations along History.

The worst prosecutions against Catholicism, as well as against religious education in general that have happened in the western Hemisphere, occured precisely under mason rulers, and we are talking not only of separation of state and churches, they were the ones that promoted such idea since the time of the American and French revolutions, but also of arbitrary expropiations of eclesiastic properties or government interventions to supress private schools that were based on religious education, and even going farther, also of genocide against members of well established churches.

Examples of this situation are :

- Prosecution against all what was pertaining to the clergy in France under the terror regime presided by Robespierre.
- Confiscation of Eclesiastic goods and prohibition of religious education on France ordered by Napoleon during many years.
- Kidnapping of the Pope and subsequent prison of the holy father in France ordered by Napoleon Bonapart, a very well known mason.
- Confiscation of Eclesiastic goods, prohibition of religious education and prosecution against members of churches by Benito Juarez in the reform wars in Mexico, another very famous free mason.
- Confiscation of Eclesiastic goods, specially schools and universities under the rule of General Francisco de Paula Santander, a very well known Columbian Mason.
- Assassination of many priests and also of parrishioners at the entrance of churches on the time of the revelion of the Cristeros against the dictatorial revolutionary regime of Plutarco Elias Calles, the founder of the PRI , in Mexico in 1920's.
- Imprisonment of the Pope in the Vatican City by the young Italian Republic, leaded by Masons like Garibaldi, until the Lateran treaty signed with Mussolini.


Finally, well, there is the great suspison that an infiltering of the french and italian Free masonry in the high Catholic hierarchy, allowed by the supression of excomunion that the Pope Paul VI granted to that masonry, might be the responsible of the Ambrosian bank fraudelent operations of late 1970's and of the possible assassination of the Pope John Paul I, that as we remember died in very strange circumstances only 33 days after he ascended to the throne of St Peter, when he ordered a huge investitagion of the strange situations happening on the finances of the Holy see, this according with many conspiracy theories. Interesting that you mentioned the Mason belief on the number 33, since notice that is exactly the number of days that Pope could rule the church.

Please read:

en.wikipedia.org...

en.wikipedia.org...

Now, about the age of Christ, when he was crucified, it is pretty dubious that the popular belief that he was 33 was correct, since it is proven that he didn't born at the end of the 1st century BC, as it was the wrong assumption when the common was established, but he might born about 7 years before; Otherwise Jesus would have born at least 4 years after the death of Herodes the Great, something that contradict all the gospels.

Please read: en.wikipedia.org...


Now, about the time of the death of Christ, the most probable dates are April 3th of the year 33 AD, and possibly from that number comes the erroneus idea that he had that age, or April 5, 30 A.D. The way these dates were fixed by many Historians is based on the terms through which Tiberio was emperor or Rome, Pilates was Roman Procurator, and Herodes Antipas was Tetrarc of Palestine, but also based on the occurence of a huge earth quake on the day of the Cruxification, something that is described in Matthew 27:45-54, in coincidence to also a solar eclipse, the one caused the darkness on the day described by the evangelist on the three preceding hours to the death of Jesus, and the occurence of a moon eclipse on that same evening.

en.wikipedia.org...

If we take in account these most probable dates of death in conjunction with the most probable year in which he was born, he might be in between 37 to 40 years old when he died in the Cross.

So the superstition around the number 33 you mentioned does not have any serious base to be founded on, but perhaps only in the mentality of the free masons.

Thanks,

The Angel of Lightness

reply to post by colbe

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The Peace of God to all that belong to the Light,
Dear Readers,

I think it is quite interesting to have here in the people that have replied in the Thread of the apparitions of the Holy mother of God in Conyers, Georgia, two people that seems to have meet very well and for some important time Nancy.

This is something that I must ask to them, and i am sure everybody is thinking perhaps in the same I am doing so, that we are lucky to have here people that really knew her closely.

I am curious, and I am sure many readers might be in the same position about how was the life of this person ,Mrs. Nancy Fowler, that claimed to be a seer of the Virgin, before everything happened?

May you please tell us how was the life of Nancy since the begining in Conyers?

Did she receive some special education? did she attended a catholic school while girl?

What type of family was her original one?

Who were the first people to know that Nancy Fowler had these apparitions?

How was the reaction among neighbors and in the town in general to this event?

How was the reaction of the Local Catholic church priests and other hierarchy?

I think that also is pertinent, since to have a profile of her based on first hand witness can be very useful to judge how probable is that she could be experiencing such an extraordinary spiritual communion with God.

Thanks,

The Angel of Lightness

Garabandal is in the title. Part of the revelation at Garabandal concerns the Great Warning.

A Brazilian seer, "Light of Mary", was given a message, part of it, the end of it. Our Lord mentions the Great Warning. It's a translation ~

You'll see "Light" written at the side, for this message, one of several:

www.catholicbinder.com...

...DO NOT WANT A LUKEWARM PEOPLE, I DO NOT DESIRE A PEOPLE FILLED WITH FALSE SPIRITUAL EXPECTATIONS. I DESIRE A PEOPLE OF TRUTH, A PEOPLE THAT LOVES ME, A PEOPLE THAT IS A FAITHFUL COPY OF MY LOVE, OF MY SACRIFICE.

Pray My beloved, pray for this beloved People of Mine of Japan who will again suffer in great measure.
Pray My beloved, pray for the United States and for the consequences that all of humanity will have to face on a global level.
Pray My beloved, pray for the Middle East, do not decline in your prayers.

Beloved, I do not desire empty prayers, I want prayers born from the depths of your being, I want prayer of action offering each thought, each feeling, each action and each step, for humanity in general.

I convoke you to remain in the first row where those who I have been preparing for a long, long time so that they guide the rest of humanity must remain. To you who turn to Me daily, to you who call Me Father, to you who claim to love Me, to you who call yourselves true and fraternal, to you I call to remain in first line and in that front line your same brothers and sisters will be the judges, the judges of those that proclaim My Love and My Word.

THIS IS THE INSTANT IN WHICH MY TRUE CHILDREN WILL BE BROUGHT TO LIGHT AND THOSE WHO ARE LUKEWARM WILL BE VOMITED FROM MY MOUTH.

It approaches, it approaches now this event so mentioned and awaited in which everyone will face his or her own conscience [1] and there I will come to help My People, which will carry My Light, My Love and the fullness of My Holy Spirit to guide the rest of humanity with My Truth.

REMAIN IN MY PEACE, I BLESS YOU, I LOVE YOU, I URGE YOU TO RENEW YOURSELVES.

Your Jesus.

HAIL MARY MOST PURE, CONCEIVED WITHOUT SIN.
HAIL MARY MOST PURE, CONCEIVED WITHOUT SIN.
HAIL MARY MOST PURE, CONCEIVED WITHOUT SIN.

[1] The Great Warning






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Some of these apparitions may have ET Alien side, never suspected by most faithful and carefully guarded. Not that Our Lady is not real, She is! She doesn't need any spaceship to come!

But it is quite possible that She speaks also of extraterrestrial life and perspectives of humanity to be saved thru such intervention at the time of the total disaster on planet earth. That is a possibility, a highly logical one. Why should all those secrets be kept secrets otherwise, if there isn't something really shocking for the world? Only to tell us that the devil entered the ranks of the Church? That we can see and experience pretty often, don't we? Or the secret that millions or billions may die? We know that of possibility of either nuclear war, or asteroid impact, or most likely both. There is something else behind, so much more controversial, that a row of popes and cardinals prefer to keep their mouths shut, even as we approach the real time events.

Pope John 23 met with the leading UFOlogist George Adamski who gave him a package in his office at the Vatican.

Pius 12 was informed immediately after the meeting Eisenhower - Aliens in Holloman Air Force Base California, by cardinal McIntyre of Los Angeles who was present personally at the historic Alien meeting www.youtube.com... Command sergeant Robert Dean further says that all popes were informed after Pius 12, and some of them had meetings with extraterrestrials themselves in the Vatican.

Kibeho seer, EMMANUEL SEGATASHYA, apparitions of Jesus:

"On the very last day, the planet will tremble and the joy of the righteous will be overwhelming,"
"After all souls chosen by God have been led into Heaven, a great fire will erupt from deep within the earth and the world will be consumed in flames, and all those who rejected God and refused to believe will burn in the fire"

On the last day, a rainbow of colors will traverse the sky and a white cloud will form. "At that moment, you will see Me emerge from the cloud carrying My Cross,"

source: spiritdaily.com... "The Boy Who Met Jesus".

reply to post by colbe

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Hi Dear Colbe,

Well, I think all the apparitions of the Holy Virgin Mary during the XX century are in some way warnings to the humanity that we must be prepared, we must repent of many sins, we must realize that we are living very close to the end of times, and moreover we must overcome all the materialistc superstition of our consumption society, to see beyond the technology, beyond the marketing and understand that we cannot go so far in the future without God, that we must not be tempted to think that with the discoverings, the science and all what it was invented in the last 200 hundred years we can defy the divine order, or try to create new artificial ones that replace what it is the Holy will of the universal concious that we use to call God.

We are seeing in our epoch how the Babel tower of the Globalization, a theory that is supported in too much pride and arrogance, in the mad belief that the entire world can be conquered economically is gradually sinking the humanity in a second great depression, this must alert us that we have walked too much time in the wrong direction and following the wrong leaderships, this must open our eyes in order to dont blame later our leaders of what is going to happened.

The celestial messages are alerting the common people that they actually have more power they believe, to make the political class and the entrepreunal one realize and understand that this social and economical order is perverse, fruit fo the bizarre marriage in between the Stalinist Maoist chinese communist playing a giant monopoly game of all the wealth that exist in the world in association with the most brutal and cruel Capitalism ever seen in the History, and that cannot longer prevail anymore or the entire world will fall in chaos, we are in a so serious danger to return to something worst than the law of Jungle.

The common factor in between Guadalupe, Fatima, Lourdes, Garabandal, Medjugorje, El Cairo and many other miracles of St Mary is that God has great sympathy for the poors, for the simple people and is listening the suffernig of them and is ready to enter in the History again to put the things in order.

Our generation is collecting all the experience achieved in the XX century plus the first decade of the XXI, we have seen how the politicians every certain time have offered the paradise in the earth to their followers, either through Marxism, Leninism, Stalinism, Francism, Nazism, Fascism, Maoism and even through Global Bushism just only to brought us periodically to a new Hell in the earth even worst than the previous one.

Thanks,

The Angel of Lightness

reply to post by The angel of light

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angel, I love your avatar pic,

I wish Christians, everyone would accept Mary for who she is, she directs everyone to Our Lord, yes, she warns as a help. Please ask for her protection in prayer and she will help you. Believe, God has given Mary all graces to dispense. It isn't either or, it's both...Jesus and Mary.

Judgment is so close now, Our Lord states in the message. He speaks of the power and protection of praying the Rosary. Anyone can pray it. Start with one decade a day if five seems to much. Trust what Our Lord tells you here about Mary's Rosary.

www.rosary-center.org...

Mark Mallett is from Canada, he is a Catholic evangelist. He's also a singer song writer. To read the complete message click on Blog at his website.

www.markmallett.com...

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May 18, 2012

message to Mark Mallett

The Last Hour


....The tears of Justice now begin to fall, and each one will cause the earth to shake and strongholds to tremble. Jesus Christ, the True and Faithful One, comes riding upon the White Horse of Justice. Can you not hear its hooves, already shaking the earth? Beloved—do not be afraid, but raise your eyes to the skies and watch for Him who comes to strengthen you, for the hour of your Passion has come. And I will be with you; you will know and feel My presence. I will be with you. I will be with you.

My children, prepare, for the hour of the Antichrist has come, and his moment will burst upon the world like a thief in the night. Remember, children, that Satan is a liar and a murderer from the beginning. Thus, the son of perdition, the true son of Satan, will copy his unholy father. He will lie at first, and then become the murderer he truly is. For your part, I will keep you safe in the Refuge of My Sacred Heart. That is, safe from his lies. You will know the truth, and thus, you will know the way to go. And he will persecute you. But I will raise you up on the last Day, while the son of perdition will be cast into the depths of the lake of fire.

And know this: time is so very short, that even some of you who watch and pray will be taken by surprise. Thus, I call you again to join your heart and hands with My Mother. That is, to listen to her words and direction, and second, to pray the Most Holy Rosary that I have given you through her as a signal grace and weapon for these days. You cannot even begin to understand the power, grace, and protection I afford you through this most holy prayer, precisely because it emerges as a living flame bursting from her Immaculate Heart, leaping into the flames of My Sacred Heart....


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