Fossil Fuel Does NOT Come From Fossils...So Says "Jews For the Preservation of Firearms Ownership., page 1

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Topic started on 8-2-2012 @ 10:46 AM by tonycliffs

An interesting site called 'Jews For the Preservation of Firearms Ownership,' with many interesting topics from Rabbis and other Jews.
jpfo.org...

You would have thought (Knowing me as you do) that I'd choose an article about the Second Amendment to forward.

But I'm fooling you this time around.

I'm forwarding an article about the theory that fossil fuel does not come from fossils. That the great dinosaurs of long ago are NOT the manufacturers of black gold, Texas Tea, crude.

"That's because -- despite what most folks believe -- petroleum is not a product of biological processes, the decay of prehistoric plant and animal life, but is continuously formed, under subterranean heat and pressure, from methane and other chemicals. A few scientists in the West have known this -- or suspected it -- since the 1940s. The theory is better known in the East where, following the non-biological (or abiotic) theory of petroleum formation, Russia has gone from being one of the world's largest importers of oil to one of the top three exporters."

Read on for yourselves. Is that camolene you are packing your weapons in for long term preservation for the coming Depopulation Wars really from a crud that is in a continuous manufacturing process?

Does this mean there is NO Peak Oil? That oil is continually being created in the Earth's core, by pressure.....shine on you crazy diamond?

jpfo.org...
Of Pharaohs and Firearms

by L. Neil Smith
lneil@netzero.com
For Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership www.jpfo.org...

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The same is true of October 1, 1908, when the first Model T Ford rolled out of the factory. Henry Ford didn't actually invent the automobile, nor did he invent the assembly line, but he put them together in a way that set Americans on wheels, altering their lives forever.

Ford probably wasn't the sweetest guy who ever lived.....etcetera...etcetera...etcetera....

You have to read the article for yourselves.

You can ask yourselves, "Was the great Global Warming Hoax' created by those elite who knew that petroelum is self sustaining, and they used climate change as a way to control the industry?

reply posted on 8-2-2012 @ 10:50 AM by Starchild23

Um...duh?

Whoever believed fossils made fossil fuel takes things way too literally.

Fossil fuel comes from material created through the fossilization process.

reply posted on 8-2-2012 @ 10:53 AM by DJW001

Even if the abiogenic theory is correct, who is to say that we are not now consuming petroleum faster than it can be produced?

Second line.

reply posted on 8-2-2012 @ 10:53 AM by tonycliffs

Originally posted by Starchild23
Um...duh?

Whoever believed fossils made fossil fuel takes things way too literally.

Fossil fuel comes from material created through the fossilization process.

Which is, according to this article, an ongoing, self perpetuating process.

There is NO Peak Oil.

Oil is continually created....on and on and on and on........

reply posted on 8-2-2012 @ 10:56 AM by tonycliffs

Originally posted by DJW001
Even if the abiogenic theory is correct, who is to say that we are not now consuming petroleum faster than it can be produced?

Second line.

Which brings us around to the coming Depopulation Wars.

Yes, at seven billion plus people today, we are already consuming everything faster than it can be produced and mined.

At eight to nine billion, we've crossed the line of no return.

There's no argument that the world's population will be depopulated at some point.

reply posted on 8-2-2012 @ 11:07 AM by AzureSky

Originally posted by tonycliffs

Originally posted by DJW001
Even if the abiogenic theory is correct, who is to say that we are not now consuming petroleum faster than it can be produced?

Second line.

Which brings us around to the coming Depopulation Wars.

Yes, at seven billion plus people today, we are already consuming everything faster than it can be produced and mined.

At eight to nine billion, we've crossed the line of no return.

There's no argument that the world's population will be depopulated at some point.

They can try to depopulate the world, it probably won't work too well for them.
But i say this because our planet is more than capable of a bigger population. Its just the resources we use that are the problem, and even then, thats not the issue. The 'resources' they talk about is money, there is not enough 'money' to support more people. Which is a falsity.

But to each their own, the day will come for the "War for freedom"

reply posted on 8-2-2012 @ 11:12 AM by tonycliffs

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We can survive EXCEPT there won't be enough resources?

Hmmmm.....interesting theory.

We should tell that to the billions who are already starving and living in shanty towns.

reply posted on 8-2-2012 @ 11:23 AM by IkNOwSTuff

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There are enough food and resources, maybe just not enough for the lifestyle me and you take for granted.
Even a country like Malaysia which is considered a developing 3rd world nation wastes over 6 tons of food a day.

It isnt a problem of resources its a problem of distribution and lifestyle

reply posted on 8-2-2012 @ 11:32 AM by Hellhound604

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I am still neutral to the abiotic oil hypothesis, as I have not seen enough proof of it yet, but as always, I try to keep an open mind.

But in the end, even if we never run out of oil, the pollution caused by burning fossil fuels has to be stopped somewhere. We can't continue polluting the earth with oil-pollution and plastic. Sooner or later, we have to stop, and invest in green resources, irrespective of the source.

If oil is really proven to be abiotic, and a sustainable resource, AND we can utilize it better than burning and dumping all the CO2 in the atmosphere or the oceans, then I am all for it.

reply posted on 8-2-2012 @ 11:42 AM by isyeye

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If oil is created abioticly, why is it that I drive by oil wells that had run dry and abandoned decades ago, and never touched again? If oil was abiotic, wouldn't they reactivate the wells after a while? And even if it is abiotic, with dried up abandoned wells scattered everywhere, it should be obvious that oil couldn't be produced fast enough to meet demand.

reply posted on 8-2-2012 @ 11:51 AM by FissionSurplus

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Well, oil is like anything else. If you take it away faster than it can be produced (and, if abiotic, I assume it takes maybe tens of thousands of years to make), there will be a point in the life of a pump jack that it would cost more to run the pump and maintain the well than what it is producing. In those cases, they abandon the pump.

There are also pump jacks that run only once in a while, because they need to remain idle while the hole deep down fills back up. We have jacks out here that only run once for a few hours every other day or so.

reply posted on 8-2-2012 @ 11:57 AM by FissionSurplus

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After speaking with my husband, who grew up around oil wells and whose grandfather is one of the founders of a huge oil patch out here, he completely agrees that oil is not fossil fuel. After thinking about it, I also agree that it is probably abiotic in nature.

I just can't see there being that many dinosaurs and plant life that far down in the ground. According to one video I watched, Russia is finding oil at over 40,000 ft down. That's much deeper than the layer at which dinosaur bones are found. The fossil fuel theory makes no sense when you examine it "in depth" (pun fully intended).

Having said all that, at the rate we are consuming it, the Earth cannot produce enough to meet demands. But if it is a chemical process, that begs the question, could it be made synthetically?

reply posted on 8-2-2012 @ 01:29 PM by tonycliffs

Originally posted by IkNOwSTuff
reply to post by tonycliffs

There are enough food and resources, maybe just not enough for the lifestyle me and you take for granted.
Even a country like Malaysia which is considered a developing 3rd world nation wastes over 6 tons of food a day.

It isnt a problem of resources its a problem of distribution and lifestyle

Tomatoes...TomAHtoes.

If billions of people around the world are starving....they are starving.

It's not so important to them why they are starving, as it is to figure out what to do with themselves while they are starving.

Adding another couple billion people to the planet doesn't solve the problem.

reply posted on 8-2-2012 @ 01:31 PM by tonycliffs

Originally posted by Hellhound604
reply to post by tonycliffs

I am still neutral to the abiotic oil hypothesis, as I have not seen enough proof of it yet, but as always, I try to keep an open mind.

But in the end, even if we never run out of oil, the pollution caused by burning fossil fuels has to be stopped somewhere. We can't continue polluting the earth with oil-pollution and plastic. Sooner or later, we have to stop, and invest in green resources, irrespective of the source.

If oil is really proven to be abiotic, and a sustainable resource, AND we can utilize it better than burning and dumping all the CO2 in the atmosphere or the oceans, then I am all for it.

Sooner or later Directed Energy will not only be a weapon, it will be a means to supply electricity to our cities.

Yes, progress is progress. Evolution of technology will continue.

But apparently we have a LOT more time left to evolve, being that the Peak Oil controversy has another valid point.

reply posted on 8-2-2012 @ 01:35 PM by tonycliffs

Originally posted by FissionSurplus
reply to post by tonycliffs

After speaking with my husband, who grew up around oil wells and whose grandfather is one of the founders of a huge oil patch out here, he completely agrees that oil is not fossil fuel. After thinking about it, I also agree that it is probably abiotic in nature.

I just can't see there being that many dinosaurs and plant life that far down in the ground. According to one video I watched, Russia is finding oil at over 40,000 ft down. That's much deeper than the layer at which dinosaur bones are found. The fossil fuel theory makes no sense when you examine it "in depth" (pun fully intended).

Having said all that, at the rate we are consuming it, the Earth cannot produce enough to meet demands. But if it is a chemical process, that begs the question, could it be made synthetically?

Yes. Nazi Germany relied on synthetic oil for the last years of the war, after Rommel was defeated in North Africa and Nazi Germany's access to the oil fields were blocked.

Synthetic fuel was being used to fly Nazi dive bombers and drive Nazi tanks until the Russians stormed Berlin.

Ergo, more fodder to put the Peak Oil argument to rest.

reply posted on 8-2-2012 @ 01:37 PM by Erongaricuaro

And hamburgers are not made from ham either. Who da' thunk it?

The proof of the abiotic concept (originally put forward by astronomers Fred Hoyle and Thomas Gold) is that 70 percent of the asteroids (those known as carbonaceous chondrites), orbiting the Sun between Mars and Jupiter in the Asteroid Belt, are infused with the petroleum-like substance "kerogen" (the same stuff that turns ordinary shale into oil shale) which could not have been formed by biological processes: there were never any dinosaurs or prehistoric plants out there.

Or maybe that's proof there was life on other planets and asteroids. This could be big!

What happens if we have an oil spill out in space? Will British-Asteroid Petoleum clean it up?

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reply posted on 8-2-2012 @ 01:37 PM by tonycliffs

Originally posted by isyeye
reply to post by tonycliffs

If oil is created abioticly, why is it that I drive by oil wells that had run dry and abandoned decades ago, and never touched again? If oil was abiotic, wouldn't they reactivate the wells after a while? And even if it is abiotic, with dried up abandoned wells scattered everywhere, it should be obvious that oil couldn't be produced fast enough to meet demand.

The oil is there.

So is the challenge of finding it.

Far as I know, the process takes a while. Dried up oil wells don't simply fill up again n a few years.

The earth is some five billion years old. The process began long before the 260 million years dinosaur age.

reply posted on 8-2-2012 @ 01:41 PM by tonycliffs

Originally posted by Erongaricuaro
And hamburgers are not made from ham either. Who da' thunk it?

The proof of the abiotic concept (originally put forward by astronomers Fred Hoyle and Thomas Gold) is that 70 percent of the asteroids (those known as carbonaceous chondrites), orbiting the Sun between Mars and Jupiter in the Asteroid Belt, are infused with the petroleum-like substance "kerogen" (the same stuff that turns ordinary shale into oil shale) which could not have been formed by biological processes: there were never any dinosaurs or prehistoric plants out there.

Or maybe that's proof there was life on other planets and asteroids. This could be big!

There are theories that if humankind manages to survive another million years or so, we will have the technology to harness the resources of asteroids.

Supposedly we can use the gravity of asteroids to 'alter' the spin and orbit of the earth, for a better atmosphere.

But that's a million years or so down the road. So they say.

But I would suspect that by then, we'll long be past the use of oil and further along the evolutionary road in warp electromagnetic drive stuff, or whatever they will call it in the future.

reply posted on 8-2-2012 @ 01:42 PM by Starchild23

Originally posted by tonycliffs

Originally posted by Starchild23
Um...duh?

Whoever believed fossils made fossil fuel takes things way too literally.

Fossil fuel comes from material created through the fossilization process.

Which is, according to this article, an ongoing, self perpetuating process.

There is NO Peak Oil.

Oil is continually created....on and on and on and on........

It takes many years for oil to be created. If you have two gallons coming out every 15 minutes, and you use 2 gallons every 10 minutes, you will be high and dry in no time.

Oil is not infinite. The process is infinite, but the product is not. It does have a bottom...and the faster you consume it, the faster you reach that bottom.

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reply posted on 8-2-2012 @ 02:00 PM by tonycliffs

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I repeat, the planet Earth is five billion years old.

We've been on this planet a short time.

Oil comes from sand, too.

We don't even have a clue what is at the bottom of the ocean, yet.

It goes on and on................

But, yes...we are an overpopulated planet destroying itself with overpopulation.

And this just sent to me: Obama saw his shadow. There will be 6 more months of unemployment.

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