You again,always doomsaying about the US military. why don't you just use the old "stupid,fat, dumb Americans" analogy like those "might makes right" Muslim Supremacists?If we take off our gloves and the friggin Whitehouse gets out of the way the US military is going to do just fine in ANY conventional conflict,if given a clear mission.Not to mention the fact that oil is at stake and NOBODY will be allowed to screw with that.That would be worse than separating the CIA from drug profits which didn't work out so well for Noriega.I remember the S2 telling us how we would loose 50% of 1/7 Cav when we deployed to Desert Shield.I responded with the fact that a war would take about a week,unless they used chems and then things might take longer but we would get ugly about it.He too stated I shouldn't be too overconfident.
We'll have the air in a month at the most,all they want to do is to take out the nuke sites.We will not need heavy ground for that,our air power will do.We definitely will see greater losses than Iraq though.I just hope this time the uprising is supported unlike the one we failed to assist with in the 1st Gulf War.And when China steps up nobody uses their nukes.

Persian Gulf War vet here.

The Straits can be a bit hairy, in that if missiles are launched at your ship at one point in the straights you have about 17 seconds to respond (that was with the Terrier missile system).

The USN's CIWS can be quite effective even with this threat, as long as it has time to detect, lock and then engage the inbound. The idea is that you don't sink a ship with one single missile. You need to have what we call a "Mass Conflagration" of missiles. This overwhelms a ships defense systems, so that some of the missiles get through.

How bad would it be? I worked on the AN/SPS-48(V)C radar while stationed on board the USS MacDonough, DDG-39 (now decomed and sitting in Philly gathering rust), and the became an instructor at Fleet Mine Warfare in Charleston, SC, teaching how to use the Harpoon cruise missile system. Details on the warhead are still classified, but I can tell you this:
If you're on a cruiser sized or smaller ship, just one missile getting through is going to be a VERY bad day for the ship.
Carriers would require more missiles, but then that's the point of doing a STOT (Simultaneous Time On Top) with your missiles. To overwhelm a ship's defenses.

Does this mean they are helpless? For that ship that got hit, it will be bad and very bad. However, we in the navy don't "go it alone" hehehehehe. We have support based operations that always include carrier support, and support from other ships providing AAW and ASW coverage (Anti-Air Warfare and Anti-Submarine Warfare). The biggest threat to the USN over there is FAB's, Fast Attack Boats. However, once missiles begin to fly, every ship over there will be in a "Red and Free" state on their weapons. ANY craft approaching a US Naval warship that is unidentified, will be shot out of the water. I've seen a 25mm gun that was installed on my ship. Looked like something out of Star Wars (has laser sightings), and the 25mm rounds are explosive. You do NOT want to be on a FAB when one of those rounds connect with your little boat....

As for a response if TSHTF, All missiles are tracked, not to mention intelligence which is provided by many things (satellite, EWAC's and ground...yes ground forces...what do you thing the Navy Seals do when they aren't kicking pirate butt? They gather intel), and a response will be launch, by both SMS missiles and from fighter craft. AC-130's can be brought in too to help.
It won't be very pretty for Iran's missile batteries.

Then we wait for the word "Go". That's when the tomahawks fly. Nasty critters them. I wish my RGM-84D's had been as sophisticated as those puppies.

Things can go wrong, and do, but even so, if Iran were to decide to start shooting at US Naval forces in the
Gulf? Well for them to steal a quote from Indiana Jones: "They chose.....POORLY."

That aside: China and Russia. Good friends of Iran. I'm sure that once the "nuke" sites in Iran are taken out (and only after that), both Russia and China would step in and warn the US and Israel off, or they'll get involved. Which we more than likely would.......
And then Russia and China, being the very good friends that they are with Iran, will help them get back on their feet, rebuild things.........so long as they let this Russian base be here and here, and China get's a base here and there.....and I can see both those countries going: "OH, BTW - about all this oil you have here........"

To which we'll be buying oil from THEM from then on! OH!:

The oil will be gone in fifty years anyway, so what difference does it make?
All this killing will have been for nothing. For the ghost of a beast that tricked us all.........

I notice the OP hasnt come back to refute any of these claims or clarify his position on anything he posted...

Just curious ATS, how long do you plan to let intentional trolls run the boards before something is done about tthem...

Theres a difference between expressing opinion and what is CLEARLY goading people into a knee jerk response for the "lulz"

PROFESSIONAL, you are being very UN-professional here...


Please clarify your position,and provide evidence of the accusations you directed at me earlier in the thread

Russia and China are at this table, with all of the others because a deal
has to be done somewhere. All of the posturing is to strenghen there hand
in what they get from the aftermarth.This is an all about energy, and control
if isral and the US want to get rid of the iranian nuclear program they will
have to agree to terms with China and Russia about what they are willing to
let passed before actining. The dog and pony show is about jostling for position,
this will become more crittical When/ If erop goes bust. as for the US fleet being
incinerated, well there are two or three airaft carrier in the region, bases in afganistan
B2 spirit bombers, submarines a whole bunch of other bad assed technology which
Iran is awear of, destroying ships or cutting the stait would give the americans
a resonable excuse to unleash some of these puppies. Iranians arn't suicidal
and there playing a long game, all this is just posturing for the near term energy
future.