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reply posted on 8-2-2012 @ 08:25 AM by karl 12
Thanks for the replies and the full programme of the investigation into David Mandell's ability is certainly a very intriguing one (so shame I can't find it ) - I managed to find a couple of links with an article written by the Paranormal research society found at the bottom of this page which states his claims 'merit serious consideration' - there's also lots of replies and opinions featured at the blog below although many of the posted links are now defunct.



The man that paints the future.





Watched this programme on Channel 5 last night, not expecting a great deal, but it was one of the most balanced shows about a paranormal subject that I've ever seen.

The background: David Mandell, a retired lecturer, claims to have visions of the future that come to him in dreams. For years, he has painted pictures of these visions and made a photographic record of the paintings by taking photos of himself holding the pictures, beneath the wall clock of his local bank. He claims that some of these pictures have predicted in detail events like the Tokyo sarin gas attack, and the destruction of the WTC. His claims have made him little money or publicity, at least until now.

The scientific methodology employed by the makers of the programme was far and above anything usually seen in these kinds of TV shows, which usually pay only lip service to genuine investigation. Here, though, they did all the right things. They checked the photographic negatives, which showed no signs of tampering, and put the artist through a polygraph test, which he passed. They did surveys of interpretation, and they brought up possible holes in the story, like the fact that the bank's clock didn't show the year, or the possibility that the paintings had later been doctored (some of the paintings contained text recording additional details of the vision, which could plausibly have been added later). They talked about statistics, and the number of paintings done in total, and the fact that the artist's 'hits' were self-selected and chosen after the fact. Scientific tests were undertaken, all described on camera, and experts were consulted, including scientist and arch-sceptic James Randi (the inclusion of whom made me watch the show in the first place).

The case was fascinating and the artist did seem sincere in his beliefs; there was no evidence that he was trying to perpetrate a hoax, but the programme did fairly represent the views of experts that thought the matches were nothing more than vague coincidences coupled with flexible interpretations. The bottom line was inconclusive: there was no strong evidence that the man's gifts were real and not imaginary, but there was also no success in uncovering a deliberate hoax or a falsehood. James Randi, at the end of the show, seemed genuinely interested and invited the man to take on the JREF's $1m challenge. I hope he agrees, because I'd like to see more..


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Cheers.
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reply posted on 8-2-2012 @ 12:30 PM by masqua
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Interesting thread. It brought to mind something I've read before, but unrelated to the painter you've brought up.

A dream Carl G Jung experienced drove him to explore the human psyche and publish his findings in a body of writings largely unparalelled by any other psychologist during the 20th century.

Just another dream?

...while Jung sensed that there were new levels yet to be understood in the structure of the psyche, but he could not fathom exactly what they were. However, in the fall of 1913, not long after his break with Freud, Jung became plagued with peculiar and deeply disturbing dreams. First came a dream of a "monstrous flood" that spread across Europe, all the way to the Swiss Alps. He saw thousands of people drowning and civilization itself falling into ruin. Then the flood changed from a deluge of water to one of blood. Subsequent dreams featured images of eternal winter and rivers of blood. Jung, who had recorded and studied his own dreams since childhood, was at a loss to relate the bizarre nightmares to anything within his own personal life. He eventually began to fear that he was lapsing into psychosis.

Several months later, the nationalism and extremism spreading across Germany escalated into terrible violence and repression (and much later, Nazism and international war). The dreams suddenly made a kind of sense, like symbolic premonitions of what was to come. But how could one account for such things? What mechanisms of the mind would allow him to envision such things, even at unconscious levels, before even the earliest stages of the events occurred? But his earlier work on psychic phenomenon, while revealing considerable fraud, also hinted that human psyches were genuinely linked together in some way both subtle and profound. He called this shared body of knowledge and connection the Collective Unconscious

www.nndb.com...


The complexity of the mind is an unsolved mystery possibly capable of things most of us would dismiss out of hand because it's much too frightening to countenance.

Imagine that.
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