reply to post by Sahabi
I have read your posts and responded to the points you've made without story, without need for validation, without judgment or hostility. I never call
you "delusional" or "ignorant" as you keep endlessly claiming. I say a viewpoint is "delusional" or "ignorant" because it is not based in reality, but
only superficial appearance that falls away upon closer inspection. I guess no one can point to holes within your philosophies without attacking you,
huh? Why do you identify yourself with these ideas!? It's like it is seriously making you sad and angry to have anyone challenge them.
And, you must not read my posts since you do not respond to any points I make, ever! LOL! Instead you continually give me your story, your
defensiveness, your hostility, and claim "semantics" and mere 'differing viewpoints'. Set aside viewpoints, stories, judgments/defensiveness and
hostility, let us look at this together, for once!
GEEEZ!!!
This thread is not just about redefining the word "ego" to intend it means fragmentation and separateness, which by the way is a good way of defining
it, rather it is about liberating yourself from ego. This is the title of the thread for God sakes! LOL. Not only have you posited that the ego is
real and tangible, but you have on numerous occasions stated it is necessary, that we need it. Not only that, but you have stated "I", which is the
fragmentation/perceived separate entity/ego, can liberate myself from this "I"/fragmentation/perceived separate entity/ego; "I" can liberate myself
from myself (as another poster accurately pointed out). Then, faced with these contradictions, you've claimed that this supposed "ego" and supposed
"Oneness" are not separate and are in fact one and the same. So "ego" is "Oneness" and yet still there is the need to divide the two as two separate
viewpoints, one from the individual point of view and one from the absolute.
by Sahabi:
We know we are One by interconnection, we know we are Separation by self-evident observation/experience. So what is Liberation in this regard? It is
to accept One and Fragmentation. We are not "liberating" one fragment from another, because I said "Liberation" is to be free from the attachment to
superficialities. Liberation is to be Individual with the consideration of One, and to be One with consideration of Individual.
I am left scratching my head... from the 'absolute' viewpoint there is NO EGO! There is NO FRAGMENTATION! There is NO SEPARATENESS! It is not a matter
of unifying duality, it is non-dual; ie. not two. There is NO EGO! There is only the ABSOLUTE! That which perceives separation; that which sees two,
is deluded, mistaken, narrow-minded, wrong... whatever you want to call it! Thus, there can be no liberation from ego because ego never existed, but
as an illusion. Meditation shows there is only phenomena arising and falling in awareness, with no doer, no "I", no "ego"; it is all "Neti-Neti".
Self-inquiry shows there is no doer, no "I", no "ego".
Sorry for the caps and exclamations, but this has been going on for months now, and all these PM's and posts claiming I am attacking you with mere
"semantics" is getting tiresome. Tell me about Pyramid building. Tell me about machining. Tell me about Islam and of the massive amounts of other
knowledge you hold. I know nothing of these things and I am all ears to learning about them. But you cannot tell me there is an ego to be liberated
from, or that there is a 'Oneness' and an "ego" which are unified, when I can look right now and see no such things!
The feeling of a separate "I", which we call ego-consciousness, is directly related to the strength of ignorance, greed, and hatred. The
deepest meaning of ignorance is the believing in, identifying with and clinging to the ego, which as we have seen, is nothing but an illusive mental
phenomenon. But because of this strong clinging to ego-consciousness, attachment/desire, anger/hatred arise and repeatedly gain
strength.
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