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Hi, I'm a fully self-realized, quantum-holographic, fool.

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posted on Feb, 7 2012 @ 05:38 PM
Huh? What do I mean by THAT?

Well, it's kinda complicated, but it begins with 3 certain fundamental presuppositions, that, because:

A) We live in a non-localized, quantum-holographic universe (see Bell's Theorem, along with the work of David Bohm, Carl Pibram, and others, for more), and

B) The human being is very likely the crowning glory of all creation ie: in a non-local, holographic universe, it may be said that the "last", or more recently evolved, are "first", and since we are perched atop the evolutionary hierarchy of increasing consciousness here on earth, while the universe may be teaming with life, including sentient life, we, the human being as the latest, would (or could) be the "greatest", that is, if A) is true, or in other words, that because all life and evolutionary phenomenon/development is NOT a purely localized occurance, but is intrinsic to a much larger (infinitely so) cosmological organic unity as an informational processing "matrix" via the Zero Point Field or what's also known as the "Akashic Field" (see the writings of physicists Irvin Laszlo and Bernard Haisch referenced at the end of this post for more) - we, the human being, may stand closest to the "Godhead" as a first/last cause aka the "Alpha and Omega" of existence, and finally, because..

C) In truth, I don't have the faintest clue just what the heck is REALLY "going on", or even who or what I REALLY am! and so...

While the evidence, all around, might suggest, in no uncertain terms, that I (and by extension "we") are really quite something rather extraordinary and very "special" - because I know I know that I CANNOT possibly know what's REALLY going on, or who and what I (we) REALLY am, I just cannot bring myself to take myself all that seriously! LOL

Furthermore, and here's where the "fool" part kicks in, in earnest; because I am, on the one hand, acutely aware of a great mystery that I cannot possibly solve for the life of me, nevertheless on the other, I have absolutely NO interest, whatsoever, in being "normal" by most any human standard of "normalcy". Thus, in my mind, to proclaim that I am NOT a "fool" (I prefer that to the word "freak") ie: that I am "normal" and just like "the average Joe" represents a grave insult, in so far as the "average Joe" typically has very little if no awareness of any kind whatsoever, that there is anything extraordinary going on, either in regards to himself, his life, or the greater mystery within which he and his life are imbedded ie: he takes life for granted, which is something that I, for one, simply cannot do, not any more.

And so, in conclusion, I think we all ought to take ourselves (and the other guy, even Joe included), both infinitely more seriously, and infinitely less so, BOTH, at the same time, since on the one hand, as human beings, we REALLY ARE something rather quite extraordinary, if not unfathomably mysterious, while on the other, we really don't (and cannot) have the first clue as to what's REALLY going on, at the deepest level of reality, or just who and what we really are as highly evolved sentients capable of asking the questions "Just what's really going on?" and "Who and what AM I, really?"

So that's what I mean then by "I'm a fully self-realized, quantum-holographic, fool", and aside from the good advice of "Don't Panic!", what are we to do, now, except, creatively, like children, under the stars of a FREE-DOME (of heaven?), both taking ourselves much MUCH more seriously than we tend to do AND much MUCH less so, while retaining the right, and the (divine?) priviledge, to be a "fool", or uniquely unusual ie: "not normal", and in so doing get to be, and become someone or someTHING (some process) both quite extraordinary, and yet a mystery that you can't quite put your finger on, even if you were to point at your very own self!

Perhaps, we and "it", whatever "it" may be, are indeed an unfathomable mystery of all ages, and yet one that, whlie retaining a healthy sense of childlike curiosity, wonderment and awe, we CAN approach as entirely worthy of our mutual exporation, even if we can never ever get to the end of it?!

And perhaps, maybe, if there IS a "God" (as truth, spirit of the universe, whathaveyou), that this is what "he" really wants?

Best Regards,

NAM, F.S.R.Q.H.F. (I deserved an honorarium)

P.S. What's "nice" (that's an understatement) about this "position" is that it can never be contained nor isolated within any particular frame of reference, except perhaps in relation to the Absolute or, if ever there was such a man, and I am convinced there was, a prototypical PERFECT human being, in and through whom the Godhead was perfectly reflected.

"And you will come to know the truth and the truth will set you free, but if you are freed for MY sake, when then you shall be truly free indeed!"

So you see, it's a frame without a frame, except in God (the Absolute) or in Christ in God, relative to which (whom), nothing, and no power, or "principality", can ever possibly reframe, and therefore nothing that can be stolen, only perhaps transferred FROM any would be thief, or brigand, or attacker.

And so, by this "word", as I have been set free of the "evil matrix" of this "world" (false societal infrastructure ie: boxed in), so too set I YOU free as well, so that we can freely play together like children under the heavenly stars of FREE DOME, now and forevermore, Amen!

There is one who sets traps, but another who liberates, and you wil know each by their fruits.

May you roll freely, with increasing wholeness and integirty, into a future of unbounded possibility, while "the money masters" greedily count their mammon, while the Generals send children to die needlessly, and while the occultists of old cast their "spells" and "frames" to no avail, even to their utter astonishment, if not to their horror.

Don't worry, be happy. There is nothing to fear.

I love you (that much I DO know)

in Christ,

Your Fool,


P.S.S. A "moral reletavism?" (some may say)

Good is good for goodness' sake, it's it's own reward. In the creative (and playful) space of absolute freedom, the children play songs of freedom, while the adults dance and sing along, in celebration.

How can we profess to have such faith in God, while holding such little faith in (the crowning glory of) God's own creation? It makes no sense.

Is that what we see when we look in the proverbial mirror, reflected, only the very worst part of ourselves? That's absurd!

That's but the smallest speck, in our OWN eye, nothing more.

The Earth is NOT a "prison planet", how could it be as a beacon of radiant light, love and glory, even if only in potentia...

Oh dear!

The Lord's prayer here comes to my mind...(for those who will)

"Set free for the sake of freedom, to freely love as we are loved."
~ St. Paul (paraphrased)

Supporting Scientific Literature

Originally posted by NewAgeMan
reply to post by NewAgeMan

On the emerging science of God and the true nature of the human being, for further grokking

"The God Theory" by Bernard Haisch

Haisch is an astrophysicist whose professional positions include Staff Scientist at the Lockheed Martin Solar and Astrophysics Laboratory, Deputy Director for the Center for Extreme Ultraviolet Astrophysics at the University of California, Berkeley, and Visiting Fellow at the Max-Planck Institute for Extraterrestrial Physics in Garching, Germany. His work has led to close involvement with NASA; he is the author of over 130 scientific papers; and was the Scientific Editor of the Astrophysical Journal for nine years, as well as the editor in chief of the Journal of Scientific Exploration.

an excerpt

If you think of whitte light as a metaphor of infinite, formless potential, the colors on a slide or frame of film become a structured reality grounded in the polarity that comes about through intelligent subtraction from that absolute formless potential. It results from the limitation of the unlimited. I contend that this metaphor provides a comprehensible theory for the creation of a manifest reality (our universe) from the selective limitation of infinite potential (God)...
If there exists an absolute realm that consists of infinite potential out of which a created realm of polarity emerges, is there any sensible reason not to call this "God"? Or to put it frankly, if the Absolute is not God, what is it? For our purposes here, I will indentify the Absolute with God. More precisely I will call the Absolute the Godhead. Applying this new terminology to the optics analogy, we can conclude that our physical universe comes about when the Godhead selectively limits itself, taking on the role of Creator and manifesting a realm of space and time and, within that realm, filtering out some of its own infinite potential...
Viewed this way, the process of creation is the exact opposite of making something out of nothing. It is, on the contrary, a filtering process that makes something out of everything. Creation is not capricious or random addition; it is intelligent and selective subtraction. The implications of this are profound..

If the Absolute is the Godhead, and if creation is the process by which the Godhead filters out parts of its own infinite potential to manifest a physical reality that supports experience, then the stuff that is left over, the residue of this process, is our physical universe, and ourselves included. We are nothing less than a part or an extension of that Godhead - quite literally.

Next, by Ervin Laszlo

Science and the Akashic Field, an Integral Theory of Everything, 2004

And, his other seminal work
Science and the Reenchantment of the Cosmos: The Rise of the Integral Vision of Reality

Ervin Laszlo is considered one of the foremost thinkers and scientists of our age, perhaps the greatest mind since Einstein. His principal focus of research involves the Zero Point Field. He is the author of around seventy five books (his works having been translated into at least seventeen languages), and he has contributed to over 400 papers. Widely considered the father of systems philosophy and general evolution theory, he has worked as an advisor to the Director-General of the United Nations Educational, Scientific, and Cultural Organization. He was also nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize in both 2004 and 2005. A multidisciplinarian, Laszlo has straddled numerous fields, having worked at universities as a professor of philosophy, music, futures studies, systems science, peace studies, and evolutionary studies. He was a sucessful concert pianist until he was thirty eight.

In his view, the zero-point field (or the Akashic Field, as he calls it) is quite literally the "mind of God".

Naming Hal Puthoff, Roger Penrose, Fritz-Albert Popp, and a handful of others as "front line investigators", Laszlo quotes Puthoff who says of the new scientific paradigm:

[What] would emerge would be an increased understanding that all of us are immersed, both as living and physical beings, in an overall interpenetrating and interdependant field in ecological balance with the cosmos as a whole, and that even the boundary lines between the physical and "metaphysical" would dissolve into a unitary viewpoint of the universe as a fluid, changing, energetic/informational cosmological unity."

an excert from Science and the Akashic Field, an Integral Theory of Everything

Akasha (a . ka . sha) is a Sanskrit word meaning "ether": all-pervasive space. Originally signifying "radiation" or "brilliance", in Indian philosophy akasha was considered the first and most fundamental of the five elements - the others being vata (air), agni (fire), ap (water), and prithivi (earth). Akasha embraces the properties of all five elements: it is the womb from which everything we percieve with our senses has emerged and into which everything will ultimately re-descend. The Akashic Record (also called The Akashic Chronicle) is the enduring record of all that happens, and has ever happened, in space and time."

Laszlo's view of the history of the universe is of a series of universes that rise and fall, but are each "in-formed" by the existence of the previous one. In Laszlo's mind, the universe is becoming more and more in-formed, and within the physical universe, matter (which is the crystallization of intersecting pressure waves or an interference pattern moving through the zero-point field) is becoming increasing in-formed and evolving toward ever higher forms of consciousness and realization.

Fun Song (perhaps this might remind you of you as well..)

New World Man


He's a rebel and a runner
He's a signal turning green
He's a restless young romantic
Wants to run the big machine

He's got a problem with his poisons
But you know he'll find a cure
He's cleaning up his systems
To keep his nature pure

Learning to match the beat of the Old World man
Learning to catch the heat of the Third World man

He's got to make his own mistakes
And learn to mend the mess he makes
He's old enough to know what's right
But young enough not to choose it
He's noble enough to win the world
But weak enough to lose it --
He's a New World man...

He's a radio receiver
Turned to factories and farms
He's a writer and arranger
And a young boy bearing arms

He's got a problem with his power
With weapons on patrol
He's got to walk a fine line
And keep his self-control

Trying to save the day for the Old World man
Trying to pave the way for the Third World man

He's not concerned with yesterday
He knows constant change is here today
He's noble enough to know what's right
But weak enough not to choose it
He's wise enough to win the world
But fool enough to lose it -- [or maybe not]
He's a New World man...

"If I seek only my own glory (and liberation) then that, is no glory at all."
~ Jesus Christ, Jewish Rabbi (paraphrased)

And no I obviously don't care what anyone else things, and no this isn't "all about me", not in the least.

All the very best to you and yours throughout 2012, and beyond.

May you live long and prosper [v]
Date: February 7th, 2012

edit on 7-2-2012 by NewAgeMan because: final edit

posted on Feb, 7 2012 @ 06:11 PM
In seeing that you could be the Fool, you demonstrate you are, in fact, the Magus.

... and seriously, how the hell did you do such a massive post!

edit on 7/2/2012 by chr0naut because: (no reason given)

posted on Feb, 7 2012 @ 06:21 PM
You might also be interested in the book "The Physics of Immortality" by Frank Tippler.

Getting a bit dated now but a good read if you don't mind a bit of math & physics.

posted on Feb, 7 2012 @ 08:13 PM
reply to post by chr0naut

Thank you, awesome recommendation, I've read ABOUT his theory of the OmegaPoint, but I hadn't thought to read that book. Reminds my of some of the ramblings of Terrance McKenna, about how evolution isn't linear, as if moving along a line of billiard ball type cause and effect, from the past, to the present, and into the future, but instead involves "that thing" or object (eschaton) that we are forever evolving INTO, which is drawing us, as self-consciously aware beings, along with all life, in every form, everyWHERE, to ever increasing degrees of "complexification" seeminly "from above" or from some sort of higher, hyperdimensional OmegaPoint aka Godhead, towards a point of eventual infinite complexity, although Tippler wasn't suggesting, like McKenna, that this would occur all at once sometime before the end of 2012 (oh # that's this YEAR!)!

"No worries, it's all good" as they like to say here in Lotus Land, "Don't Panic!"

But I have to say that, like McKenna, I'm not too pleased with the # they've been dishing out to us, and calling it "modern culture", when in truth it's all just nonsensicle absurd "malarky" (said like McKenna, God rest his soul), nothing but "the dead bones of a dead civilization, the very marrow of which has already turned to dust, so whyeven TRY to suck on THAT?!" (paraphrased).

He also liked to say something along the lines of "it's all out of control, even THEY know it's no longer in control, but here's the question - just who's control is it OUT OF?!"

He really had a way of putting things sometimes, capable of causing you to spray your monitor with whatever you might be drinking at the moment, must have been the ah, that hippy substances he was know to experiment with from time to time..

He's no longer with us, though, the heroic explorers of consciousness, they do pass off the scene, and that's important I think to bear in mind re: the dumbing down process we've all been subjected to by "the tube" and the "big screen", the great football games, and their half time extravaganzas, something just could get LOST somewhere in the shuffle, or between the cracks if we're not careful, and so by God whatever it takes, to not only bring that "boon" back, snatched like Prometheus from the God's, for the health and well being of the human family, but get it safely handed off to one's own fellow man, no matter whether he be the "downtrodden" or even the "ruling elite" class (whatever that means other than that you're stinking rich!).

..I'm really on a roll now eh? no, I didn't take any controlled substances, although I am a hopelessly addicted smother (gotta have a least ONE "poison"), but I've promised to somehow quit by the end of 2012 in commemoration of the "new age"! JK, or not.

You see, as non-localized, quantum holographic evolutionary phenomenon, local really matters, and so we've got to, while having fun and not taking ourselves all that seriously, any more, simultaneously have the courage to take on ever more responsibility for our OWN life, and it's impact, in every way, not matter how great or small, since nothing is insignificant within this larger non-contextual context, because it's implications are rather profound, and that, my good friends, in the space of absolute freedom (infinite possibility) is REAL and authentic power, because after all, what is power if not the power to choose?

And no I don't really talk like this exactly in real life, it just comes out I can't help it, and what can I do BUT risk making a fool of myself if need be, eh?

That's pretty funny, the notion of being goaded into being funny, through no choice of one's own?!

Nah, it's a free choice, and I think a pwerful one at that, the choice to be freely self expressed, with charm, which of course, given what you're dancing and singing into... requires by neccessity that you retain your optimistic sense of humor, even in the face of the world nightmare imaginable [God willing one that we will soon wake up from!] and be courageous, even taking a little flak (at first) as needed, because it's WORTH IT! And the payoff is just too great, which is nothing more than unhindered, unfettered freedom, to freely be and to become that person we were meant to be, even created to be, and to become, which is HAPPY, and just WHO the hell we ARE or what's really going ON we have no idea, so the joke continues unabated, with an increase in childlike curiosity, wonderment, and awe.

That's my prayer, then, the coming of the spirit of reason to the world, and of love, truth, all that good stuff, along with HEALING for the entire human family, both from the bottom up, and from the top down. Is that too much to ask of God in the name of his good son Jesus Christ? I think not.

How's that for audacity?

..sorry, got a little carried away, then again why APOLOGIZE, that's ridiculous, and absurd!


NAM aka Bob

edit on 7-2-2012 by NewAgeMan because: final final edit

posted on Feb, 7 2012 @ 08:55 PM
And after all, surely THIS (see vid below) isn't symbolic of just the kings and queens, princes and prime minsters, presidents, and bankers, oil barrons, etc etc etc (and their first-born sons).. ah.. lighting UP, while the.. "lower class" hoards of the "masses" remain forever mired in ignorance, apathy, even rage against "the machine" while being continually subjected to all manner of overt and covert manipulation, much of which isn't even directed towards their higher faculties of reason and critical thinking.. - it simply CANNOT work that way, and in the final analysis, in truth, it can't be at ANYONE's expense, either "rich" OR "poor", since these things are matters of the HEART, and of a transformation, not in military affairs (see PNAC or Project for a New American Century), but in HUMAN affairs.
While the 20th Century can be known as the "Century of the Self" please, God help us, to do whatever we can, from whatever place or "stature" (whatever that means) we may find ourselves, to ensure that the 21st Century will be recognized, in hindsight, as, the Century of Human Progress, in every area of human endeavour and creativity, through the fostering and release into the world, of our individual and collective genius, amen.

"When the hearts of men change, kingdoms will change."
~ John the Baptist, from Herod's dungeon...

edit on 7-2-2012 by NewAgeMan because: no need to justify myself, i f'd up, made an error, fixed it! LOL!

posted on Feb, 7 2012 @ 09:05 PM
Oh # that was funny, and you guys won't even give me a star for it!

posted on Feb, 7 2012 @ 09:15 PM
I am drawn to respond to your post
But I don't know where to start.

posted on Feb, 7 2012 @ 10:36 PM
reply to post by NewAgeMan

That was a particularly artistic application of the ramble.

Remember, that with the careful application of alcohol, one can create truly exquisite rambling.

posted on Feb, 7 2012 @ 11:08 PM
dear NAM,

your "evolved" ideas seem no longer to be evolving. you keep posting walls of text as tho they are major revelations, but the whole lot of it just feels so stale. I mean that in the nicest way.

do you ever do real research? ...cause this pop-sci oneness bit is starting to get embarrassing.

time to dig a little deeper says me.

posted on Feb, 7 2012 @ 11:14 PM
Im a sunburned spaceman baby youve got class mental not crass. No matter how many times you reduce a hologram it always retains all the information from the original image.Same with a holographic universe all information is retained within the smallest fragment.That includes us though haveing the information within us or a rock speck of dust an understanding it are two different things.We have as much hope of understanding the nature of it all than a blade of grass less even...But its all good thanks for your thoughtfull insightfull post.

posted on Feb, 8 2012 @ 09:00 AM

Originally posted by NewAgeMan

C) In truth, I don't have the faintest clue just what the heck is REALLY "going on", or even who or what I REALLY am!

I share this idea.

I wrote a whole thread based on this idea

I think God has big things in store for us. But I also think that it is up to us to figure it out.

I also like what you said about we should take people more seriously. If you take people more seriously, then in your mind, they will become something worth taking seriously. If you see everything as beautiful, then your mind will enforce that. But if you love all, then your mind will show you the most valuable things in the universe. The lesson to be learned is that if we want to bask in the glory of God which is indescribable, then all we have to do is look around. It is up to us. Also, it would be wise to admit that we don't have the damndest clue of what is really going on here.


posted on Feb, 8 2012 @ 01:04 PM
reply to post by tgidkp

Not oneness, but unity in variety, within a family framework, relative TO the Absolute, which is an Absolute Mystery, but one worth exploring, in mutuality, by loving (and listening to) our neighbor as ourself, because we are also part of that same mystery, and cannot fully understand ourselves unless we're willing to subject our maps of reality to the scrutiny of others, and become willing to see ourselves through their eyes and vice versa. It is said that if you commiserate with your neigbor if he's kind-hearted he will thank you, but if he's hard-hearted, he will scorn you, but nevertheless, I'll take your feedback under consideration, and do still more research, I guess, but from what I can tell, a purely materialist monism (matter alone is primary and mind or consciousness nothing but an epiphenomenon of matter), is dead, while a monistic idealism (consciousness is primary, even as a first/last cause) lives again, while making everything fresh and new, and alive. If I could somehow communicate my experience and newfound appreciation for life as it is, to you, then you would see that what I am attempting to convey, in so many words, isn't "stale" or static, at all, but is alive with immense beauty, and childlike wonderment and awe, and that's in the absence of all the robotic programming thrown off, along with the burdens of what Carl Jung called "the mass man".

My point here is that the human being is not a "thing" but a process, a phenomenon, maybe even a type of force of nature.

“Someday, after mastering the winds, the waves, the tides and gravity, we shall harness for God the energies of love, and then, for a second time in the history of the world, man will have discovered fire.”
~ Pierre Tielhard de Chardin, author of "The Phenomenon of Man"

edit on 8-2-2012 by NewAgeMan because: typo fixed

posted on Feb, 8 2012 @ 01:25 PM

Originally posted by NewAgeMan

“Someday, after mastering the winds, the waves, the tides and gravity, we shall harness for God the energies of love, and then, for a second time in the history of the world, man will have discovered fire.”
~ Pierre Tielhard de Chardin, author of "The Phenomenon of Man"

When the creative mind-interface more closely resonates to one universal creative mind, then it emanates light and love because that is the essence of the one universal mind.

The light of our star is really love, just in an unrecognizeable form. The love we feel is really light, just in an unrecognizeable form.

Love is an embodiment and emanation of the one universal creative mind of which is interfaced by every iota of existence no matter how big or small. Everything is alive and everything is intelligent.

posted on Feb, 8 2012 @ 01:49 PM
The Universal Love of God


Of course, the invitation to the celebration of the ages, must first be extended freely to the "hoity toity" "PTB", who, according to my old friend and elder brother, don't want it, because it implies the need for a radical shift in focus from their center of attachment/attention and pre-occupation with things like money, fame and fortune, or even something industrious like a farm, a store, or any such "concern" - and so "the King" with a momentary huff and a snort, tells his servant to immediately, and without any hesitation RE-extend that same invitation, to everyone else, starting with the poor and impoverished, and the downtrodden, and working up from there until all the "places" to be filled for the great wedding celebration of the ages, have been filled.

I guess it's just the way these things tend to go, but me, if I could, I would make still one last effort to get those invitations into EVERYONE's hand, including my worst enemy, who might have (if he could) slammed the door happily (maybe even with a sardonic, wry grin) in MY face!


Because I cannot bear to hear the sound of weeping and wailing, and gnashing of teeth, particularly that of rich people, who although they possessed great material wealth and so-called "power", lost something infinitely more precious, with full awareness of what has taken place, the sounds from the other side of the door (from their perspective), that of immense joy, happiness, and celebration. I mean could you imagine?! What utter sorrow that would be, to miss out on such an opportunity, to both contribute mightily AND save one's very own soul and that of their children, and their children's children.

So it goes out again, and again, until it's had every opportunity to make the rounds and I am surely not the only one extending it, lovingly, but I AM one and I am doing so, as instructed, right here and now.

Hey SOMEone's got to do it, you know, be a true gentleman as a type of civilized "usher" at the doorway to a new way of life, even to a new heaven and a new earth, but alas I'm just a messenger, and a servant nothing more. No point shooting the messenger of such an invite, is there?

"Can we still wear our bejewelled crowns?" (someone may ask at the door)

Well, uhm, please don't take offense, your Highness, but the problem with physical earthly crowns, is that most of the diamonds in them have been mined from the depths of the lost dark continent of Africa, so, you could either leave the crown in the bin there, or, if the crown is absolutely essential, you can wait until the starving are fed and feeding themselves, and then enter in spectacular fashion at a later date, with crown intact, your choice.

"How dare you! It's my 60th year on the throne and I've maintained an unblemished outward appearance of impeccable civility, for the entire duration!"

Well, then, I guess you'd better get cracking since time is of the essence!

"I asked for mercy, not sacrifice!"
~ The Lord Jesus Christ, Jewish Rabbi, if not also the quantum-cosmological superhero as the rock of ages and the true son of God, relative to whom I am but a lowly disciple and servant messenger, yes, even as a "fool".

And hey "no worries" as they say, because, after all, "every sinner has a future, and every saint, a past." (Oscar Wilde)

The Lord's Prayer

Our father, who art in heaven
Hallowed be thy name
Thy kingdom come
Thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven
Give us this day our daily bread
And forgive us our tresspasses
As we forgive those who tresspass against us
And lead us not into temptation
But deliver us from all evil
For Thine is the Kingdom
The Power
And the Glory
Forever, and ever. Amen.

edit on 8-2-2012 by NewAgeMan because: every reason given.

posted on Feb, 8 2012 @ 03:48 PM
In a sad twist of irony, now looking back in the rearview mirror of near 20/20 historical hindsight, the United States of America itself, was orininally founded on the type of universal principal of Liberty that I've touched on in this thread, and yet the story isn't quite yet over, so who knows, maybe, just maybe, there's still hope, for a.. resurrection?.. hey anything's possible!

Best Regards,


posted on Feb, 8 2012 @ 05:01 PM

Originally posted by NewAgeMan
and yet the story isn't quite yet over

Of course, the end of one story, is only the beginning of a whole new one - and so the dance goes on..

posted on Feb, 8 2012 @ 06:11 PM
reply to post by NewAgeMan

What I understand from what you say, is that we are an emergence, and that there are no tracks to follow, no guides to read, no model to copy, and that by those facts, we are absolutely and totally free to do whatever we want to do. I agree with that, and often I find myself trying to find a way to explain to others that we are an emergence, trying to make them feel our emergent nature. What I find disturbing is the way you quote scriptures, and you invoke jesus christ. IMO you don't need that, you should be clever enough to see that what you call jesus christ is just a projection of yourself, of what you have got inside you. Remove the religious nonsense from what you say and you will see that your thoughts and your philosophy will become more clear and sharp.
BTW i am agnostic.

“There are only two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle.”
― Albert Einstein

posted on Feb, 8 2012 @ 06:17 PM
Wellp, that was my "Swan song" although I don't plan on going "away" any time soon, except into a life better and more effectively lived, both for myself, and, to be more helpful to others, from my own "localized" sphere of influence, however big or small it makes no difference, since there is nothing no matter how small that is insignificant in the grand scheme of things, and so, unless I have something still more compelling and/or more AMUZING to add here, tally-ho!

This above all: to thine own self be true,
And it must follow, as the night the day,
Thou canst not then be false to any man.
Farewell, my blessing season this in thee!

~ Shakespeare

posted on Feb, 9 2012 @ 06:57 PM
reply to post by gosseyn

Yes, an emergent phenomenon, we are not a "thing" but a process, which although primarily a localized phenomenon, are not neccessarily bounded exclusively within a local domain or "sphere". My mention of and reference to "Christ" is much deeper than I think you might be assuming at first glance. It involves (in volution) the notion that the frameless frame of reference is bounded only by love as a first/last cause, and thus we are set free for freedom's sake to freely loved as we are first loved by the very virtue of our inclusion in the creation, however mysterious THAT process is, has been, and continues to be, seemingly without a beginning or an end, except as it is bounded by a first/last cause, and one that is always and forever present and available, through the eternally unfolding present moment, as if in an invitation, to actively participate in this same process of creation, with increasing intregrity, wholeness, and enjoyment or real happiness of the everlasting kind, relative to which "death" loses it's meaning, significance, and thus it's "sting" as some sort of final insult, enclosing our life and it's expression of the creative process and the love transcendant, in death, and oblivion, or in nothing at all, forgotten, lost. (a "fool" can use a run-on sentence if he wants to, so there!)

Christ then represents not the "religious" frame but the evolutionary principal of death AND resurrection, and of life meeting life, beyond death. He is also the transcendant "capstone" over a purely darwinian survival of the fittest and strongest "eat or be eaten" evolution of pure self interest, survival, and the fear of destruction, and so he protects the domain of freedom and love, for us his family as being relative (and answerable) ONLY to "God" as the Absolute, or what some think of as the Tao, except Christ, by reflecting perfectly the will of God, as love, makes of something otherwise impersonal, a very personal matter. He brings God home, to us, and localizes (it was is and always will be now) that which was/is otherwise completely inaccessible. In this way, Christ is not some sort of exclusive proposition, as a "control valve" to keep us on the "straight and narrow", no instead, by subjugating the creation to himself as the son of the first father, for whom creation was made (for the sake of love between two or more), we are included as part of the very same family framework, yet presently (for the most of us) in need of true and authentic Liberation, to not only love and be loved but also to be fully and freely self-expressed as we really ARE and were intended to be, since the creation itself is "all good" - whereby our need is MET, without reserve or constraint of any kind whatsoever, yet at the same time without leaving us as prey to victimization by ANY force, any power or principality, including even the possibility of any non-localized alien technology somehow getting a bead on us and "feeding" on us, in a pradatory manner. Only a coward would bow to any such power, when God of the most high, is by his nature higher than ANY "creature" anywhere in the whole of the creation.

So like, REALLY free, BIG TIME, intrinsic to an eternal evolutionary process of continual differentiation and reintegration, with ever-increasing wholeness, and integrity via our increasing trust in, and relationship with, not ONLY ourselves (true to one's self), and others, but yet even with GOD of the highest, no matter how incomprehensible or inscrutible "he" may have been otherwise (as an impersonal God).
In other words we might very well have been totally screwed or f'd, had the human being, in fullness, born not of flesh and the material world, but re-born from "above" (transcendant domain of love and freedom) and according to the fullest human expression of creation, relative to the Godhead, NOT first emerged in the form of a PERFECTED son of God (the Christ), who in accordance with our true place in creation, being last, is first, and whereby where the greatest among us, is the servant of all.

It's also rather "nice" to forever have an eternal object of adoration and gratitute relative to whom (not "to which", as an "it") we can be forever grateful, as the one who first overcame "the world", and in so doing, invites us to do the same, in following him. To follow him is to overcome all things and come into an inheritance of all things, since the domain of Absolute Freedom (in the space of absolute forgiveness) includes all things, making of even the smallest thing right in front of us, and the most mundane - utterly sacred, and oftentimes, really amuzing, when we begin to look around with new eyes; the curious eyes of a child reborn into the world, even at 44 years of age. It's possible! It's ACTUAL! There is a "new world" waiting to be born, and it's here, now. Therefore, come, pick up your cross (we all have SOMEthign we're "working out"), and follow me who follows the one who was sent by none other than God, and you may discover quite literally in no time flat, that it (your cross) may begin the process of quickly dissolving, upon your very back, in a series of childlike giggles and laughter, until you can at last stand tall as the man (or woman) you were created to be and to become, in the growing stature of none other than Christ himself, which simply means to be revivified, resurrected - and then invited into a mutual co-creative, participatory framework (koinonia) or into the "field" (pasture) of absolute freedom, fun and enjoyment, charm (fully and authentically self-expressed) and maybe even, dare I say it, utter foolishness!

Best Regards,


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posted on Feb, 9 2012 @ 07:55 PM
In other words, everything that is unloving, or hard-hearted, makes no sense and is absurd, and ridiculous, on recognition (re cognition), and thus love binds hatred with love, which is unbounded, while the "bad" (fruits of hatred or a failure in love) is bounded by the good, which is unbounded. What is reasonable, or even unreasonably reasonable then triumphs over everything that makes no sense or is unhelpful to the cause of goodness, love, and what is right or righteous, just and true, which, as the only thing that is true and real, bends across the entirety of the whole breadth of all creation as a universal principal of love, and goodness, truth and justice, or "righteousness". The divided middle of the apex between what is and ought to be has already been filled by the love of God which blows as the spirit of truth and love (spirit of the universe) through the pair of opposites and the twin pillars of Justice, and Mercy, and no one can "hijack" that space, nor prevent or separate us from realizing that Love as it was expressed/reflected through/in the person of Jesus Christ. It is the unframed framed, and turned into a door, which only the right-hearted can pass through, into eternity, even now. And me, I'm just a doorman, nothing more, nothing less. This is my purpose, my "great work" or Magnum Opus, to show people to the door, and whether they choose to go in or not isn't my business, only to serve as a gentleman, and if possible, as an attractive pearl at "the gate" formed by the evolutionary transformative "cosmic clamshell" that is the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

And for this door to be really and authentically present, you can be rest assured that the gate of hell did not prevail, so there's good news for one and all, whether you choose to enter right away, or even at a later date if you're too chicken to enter into the kingdom of God, and be transformed in the twinkling of an eye. You can either access the resolution to the paradox of karma, or remain under the just judgement of karmic law, the choice remains, and either way, every type of learning and healing, whether fast or slow, is available to us all, however flawed or lacking in integrity we may find ourselves, in our present "condition"!

Is this a "permissive framework" for sin and evil to "enter in"? Hardly, that too is an absurd and ridiculous notion!

Best Regards,


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