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Dumb As A Rock: You Will Be Absolutely Amazed At The Things That U.S. High School Students Do Not Kn

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posted on Feb, 8 2012 @ 11:25 AM
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Americans dumb? no really?

American ignorance is on display all the time and we seem almost proud of it at times.

However from my point of view the problem is not schools.

The problem is parents.

Parents who take no interest in the education of their children.

Parents who think their little Johnny or Jane can do no wrong.

Parents who do not read to their children.

Parents who do not teach their children manners and respect for their elders.

Parents who do take the time to enlighten their children that different does not =wrong.

Parents who are not involved in the politcal workings of their local and national goverments.

Parents who do not encourage a sence of social responsibility

In short classic American apathy.

I have two nieces and a nephew, the girls (raised by one set of parents) are well behaved, polite, smart and funny. Mostly because their parents are deeply involved in everything the girls do. They encourage them to read and explore. I have great hope for them. My nephew though, his parents (raised by a different set of parents then the girls), well lets say for all that his parents attempts at helping him in school and raising him right seem to be just missing the mark. Neither parent was good at school so they don't seem to want to see him excel. As for manners well he is very self centered and often rude (mainly I think because his mother is a "do as I say, not as I do " type). I have offered to help him with homework and to read to him and am always dismissed out of hand. I am just the "odd" uncle (wait till he learns I have a basement filled with comic books).

So don't blame the school, our kids would be getting a proper education if only the true controllers of their education (Parents) were involved as they should be.




posted on Feb, 8 2012 @ 11:25 AM
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History is one of the most important subjects.
Without it, you're much higher risk to repeat previous mistakes.



posted on Feb, 8 2012 @ 11:31 AM
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Originally posted by mnmcandiez
But then again I read 1984 when I was 14, so maybe I'm just nuts right?


No..
You seem to be very sane.
Keep posting.



posted on Feb, 8 2012 @ 11:32 AM
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Originally posted by tomten
reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux
 


History is one of the most important subjects.
Without it, you're much higher risk to repeat previous mistakes.


Answer me this:
Are the dates of the historic events the most important, or are the what happened and why the most important?



posted on Feb, 8 2012 @ 11:33 AM
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I think the biggest problem is the current state of public education is the fact that they cater to the least common denominator... No child left behind as it were..

This combined with laziness (open book tests, simplified lesson plans, movie watching etc.) creates an educational environment where every child is left behind. ... They just don't push you anymore..

I remember when I was a teenager (with a private school education) and I got a job like many kids did in food service... My employer (and fellow employees) was astonished I could make change in my head... They acted like I was some kind of genius or something.... I mean this is a basic skill we are talking about here (and a simple one at that)...

I got into high school and I was already two years ahead of my public school peers... For the most part (save for special classes I took aka web design, drafting etc.) I did not learn anything new until my Junior year... I'm not some kind of super genius... I just happened to go to a private school where the curriculum is not regulated.. The advantage is they did not at all dumb it down... If a student was having problems the teachers would take from their spare time and sit down and go over a lesson with a student.. No questions or complaints..

Really says a lot about the public school system... I actually recommend to everyone to send your kids to private school even if it's a catholic school or what not.... What you get out of it is of much higher quality.
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posted on Feb, 8 2012 @ 11:33 AM
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Originally posted by joyride0187
Are we raising the stupidest generation in American history? The statistics that you are about to read below are incredibly shocking. They indicate that U.S. high school students are basically as dumb as a rock. As you read the rest of this article, you will be absolutely amazed at the things that U.S. high school students do not know. At this point, it is really hard to argue that the U.S. education system is a success. Our children are spoiled and lazy, our schools do not challenge them and students in Europe and in Asia routinely outperform our students very badly on standardized tests.


I can definitely believe this. A few years back when I was in college the professor for my Asian studies class halted the regular study and gave us an impromptu geography quiz to explore this very issue. It was a map of the world without any labels, and we had to identify where certain locations were. They weren't even exotic things like Katmandu or Pyongyang, but simple things like identifying where San Francisco and Germany was. I was the ONLY person who only got one incorrect (I confused the Baltic sea with the Black sea, so sue me), but lterally everyone else failed 50% of the test. One bubblehead only knew where New York City was and literally nothing else. France was in Africa, Washington D.C. was in Texas, and the Phillipines was part of the Japanese islands.

I wouldn't have believed just how ignorant they were if I hadn't seen it with my own eyes.



posted on Feb, 8 2012 @ 11:36 AM
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Originally posted by Nite_wing
Has anyone ever gotten their order right from a fast food restaurant in the U.S.? I can't remember the last time I even got correct change.


There is a reason why they now do it by *NUMBERS*...

me: "I'd like a number 3 not supersized... to go. please"

girl behind counter -"Is that for here or to go?"

me: "That's TO GO"

-rrr



posted on Feb, 8 2012 @ 11:40 AM
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One of my employees is in nursing school right now, and she's in the middle of this "really hard" biology class. So I dust off the over 20-year old memories of my college biology courses and start quizzing her off the top of my head.

...Deer in the headlights. Are they teaching anyone anything anymore? This is a future nurse? Nicest girl in the world but I think she's not getting her money's worth at this college she's going to.



posted on Feb, 8 2012 @ 11:41 AM
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Originally posted by rickyrrr

Originally posted by Nite_wing
Has anyone ever gotten their order right from a fast food restaurant in the U.S.? I can't remember the last time I even got correct change.


There is a reason why they now do it by *NUMBERS*...

me: "I'd like a number 3 not supersized... to go. please"

girl behind counter -"Is that for here or to go?"

me: "That's TO GO"

-rrr


You were obviously talking too fast for her pea brain to keep up.



posted on Feb, 8 2012 @ 11:41 AM
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Sadly I think we both know the answer to that question. I think that is why we are even having this discussion on this thread.

Knowledge never hurt anyone...at least not anyone I know.

The more knowledge you have the more power you have to control your destiny.

The more knowledge you have the more options and choices are available to you in life. People who do not embrace knowledge are limiting themselves to a very narrow mind set. They are being willfully ignorant.

They may be very smart, but without knowledge they limit themselves, just like I limited myself by not learning algebra.

We all need a strong foundation of knowledge in our society....think about it.....if we did not know about biology and anatomy and physiology, we'd still all be sitting in the dark ages believing epilepsy is the work of demons.....

Everyone needs an educational foundation that is strong enough to support the society in which we live. We live in an advanced society, we need a strong educational foundation.

At the same time we all have our own dare I say.....*god* given abilities, interests and unique strengths and they need to be nourished and advanced so we all have a place at the table of life.

You may not need physics to bake cakes, but you may need physics to understand the thermal engineering so that when you buy a new oven for your bakery you get one that meets the demands of making baked goods a certain way.....That high tech investment might make the difference in your bakery out competing all the other bakeries in town.....you got the edge, cause you knew about something that the other bakeries did not embrace....you will be even more successful if you have a skill and passion for baking and a natural talent with food.....

knowledge is one part of success, it does not guarantee success, but it helps.....so why would you want to limit yourself?

Our entire education system is not based off this concept, it is based off statistics and test results and it holds people back from their true potential because it does not even acknowledge our true potential anymore. Every now and then you'll get that one teacher that believes in you or recognizes your talents but without encouragement kids fall through the cracks and the kid that could have become the scientist that cures cancer ends up being the business analyst....and not a very good one at that, because their heart is not in it.



posted on Feb, 8 2012 @ 11:48 AM
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Holy ^&*(ing &*(). I am dumbfounded right now. I did a quick search to confirm that this is true and holy &*)(.... Not only are we all slaves in this country, which quite clearly we are, but we have been for a very long time. We seriously need to revolt... not that that would change anything u.u. What the f&*( do we do... seriously. I am exacerbated, forlorn, desperate, and I see very little hope.



posted on Feb, 8 2012 @ 11:55 AM
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Originally posted by tomten
reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux
 


History is one of the most important subjects.
Without it, you're much higher risk to repeat previous mistakes.


I believe the quote is:

"Those who do not learn from history are condemned to repeat it."

That sort of reminds me of the idea of - socialism -.

Go ahead and try it say in Greece and then see what happens.

OOPS! It's failing again. Well, lets just crash it and try the same thing all over

again and then see what happens?



posted on Feb, 8 2012 @ 11:57 AM
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Okay! Awesome! Great point! I am glad you brought that up! So, you got something out of that learning experience....that is how school is supposed to work. It is foundation building....you grow as a person when you learn, your world is larger when you learn new things, new things open up to you, and it is beside the point whether or not you knowing what is in owl pellets will get you a job, but the fact you know was interesting to you. You are not interested because it will get you a 6k salary, but it meant something positive to you. That is a gift within itself, you simply taking an interest in something.

Being knowledgable does not have to serve any other purpose than personal fulfillment sometimes.



posted on Feb, 8 2012 @ 12:00 PM
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In grade 11 and 12 I was bored as hell and the teachers were not that great. I asked for help from an english teacher and all she did was belittle me about my work. My mind tends to run ahead as to what I write and I skip words and therefore my sentences dont make any sence. I had a couple of teachers that treated me as an adult and I did really well in their classes.Most of the subjects I wasnt interested in and I had to fill out my credits, so I basically flipped a coin to which ones to pick and I performed the worst in those . The funny thing is I Iike to write poetry and sometimes short stories so my english teacher could have been a good teacher and help me. I think most are there to rush through as many students as they can and I bet they get bored too because they pull out the same binder of the same assignments year after year. Most of the stuff I know and can do is self taught.If you continue reading and learning you pretty much get yourself a college education. Most people stop reading after they get out of school and deal with work related things and life in general and their education stops.The brain is like a muscle you have to do a few curls to keep it in shape.

here is an interview with Charlotte Iserbyt ..dumbing down of America



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posted on Feb, 8 2012 @ 12:04 PM
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You aren't taught very much about the political system in USA high schools. I graduated around 3 years ago. And I went to multiple schools. All the same thing.

I think that this is something that really differs from school to school, teacher to teacher.

At my high school, they hammered the American political system into our minds. In my American History class, our teacher taught us to Constitution for some two months before removing on—even though it wasn't part of the curriculum.



posted on Feb, 8 2012 @ 12:05 PM
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I am calling them out on their ignorance.

They are complaining about dumb kids while exhibiting issues that are typical for these dumb kids (poor grammar, spelling and reading comprehension).

If you are going to complain about such a subject, do us a favor and use spell check. Otherwise, you look just as dumb as the kids you're complaining about.



posted on Feb, 8 2012 @ 12:08 PM
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That's because I didn't mention all the other things that I've accomplished in life. A job is a job in this crappy economy.

What do YOU do for a job? Do you even have one?



posted on Feb, 8 2012 @ 12:10 PM
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You're talking to someone who had a college reading level by the 4th grade.

But hey, keep on lobbing your poorly crafted insults at me. It won't change the fact that none of you should be complaining if you can't spell.



posted on Feb, 8 2012 @ 12:10 PM
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Just remembering school in my day. The whole class od 30 odd was being taught Algebra by a maths teacher who had little interest in us kids. None of us not one could get it - understand the principle of what he was supposedly teaching - Perhaps it was the way he taught. Anyway he the teacher was known for his ill temper - poor guy suffered a lot of toothache to be fair. But he lost it with us by making all the class start writing out the Bible from Genesis on - on toilet paper - Which was nigh impossible as back then we used ink wells with pen nibs
To be fair our Art teacher was a really nice person who only encouraged us from matchstick men to Mona Lisa
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posted on Feb, 8 2012 @ 12:18 PM
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Originally posted by Mianeye
People learn during their whole life, there is nothing unusual to not know some stuff in a ung age.

They might concentrate on other things importent at that moment of their life, and later catch up to the rest.
I think that it's pretty common.
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This is probably the most insightful comment on this thread.

People learn all of their lives, and will learn in spite of the educational system around them, if I was judged on my grades in school they would have written me off long ago.

I was just smart enough to know most of the tripe being fed to me was useless information, and that if I wanted to be successful financially it was not book learned.




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