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Nevada GOP chairwoman resigns the day after the caucus fraud

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posted on Feb, 8 2012 @ 09:18 AM
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Originally posted by tbonethedstroyer
I hate to break it to you guys. . . But if voting changed anything "they" would make it illegal. . .


Yep, I'm soooo jaded now to the process. I don't vote anymore, and rarely will I even engage in political debates with my dad.




posted on Feb, 8 2012 @ 09:20 AM
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Originally posted by THE_PROFESSIONAL
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WOW, Oh WOW, they refused to count infront of everyone!!
Oh MY GOD if that does not put up a red flag for fraud I do not know what does.

Pitchforks - check
Torches - check
Guns - check
Angry citizens - check.



Her resignation is NOT ENOUGH. What the media and the public need to address is HOW WAS SHE ABLE TO RIG THE ELECTION? Some candidate cannot do it without help. We need to find the systemic weaknesses that were used.

My guess is that the ability to electronically flip the vote is widespread and pervasive -- NO voting machines are safe and they were put in place for the express purpose of rigging the vote. While punch cards are often manipulated by sending the cards to a different voting zone (some design these so candidate A and B are switched at another pole center, so that if you send punch cards from area 1 to area 2, they are correctly tabulated but with the opposite candidate).

We have to bring back hand-checked voting and random pole surveys (which were within less than 1% of the actual vote for the history of their use, right up until the shenanigans of Bush's election in 2000 -- then they were banned). Canada does this -- they have three witnesses for every ballot that gets registered as a valid vote.

There was no cost savings from the electronic voting machines (in most cases, they cost 10x what our previous punch card system cost) -- it was all a huge lie. Like the Patriot Act being written before the attacks, it was a solution in search of a problem.



>> If you want to protest -- rip out those damn black box voting machines. There has been election fraud in the past -- but the electronic age has made it easier and harder to prove. You shouldn't HAVE to trust the corrupt election system because there is too much at stake.



posted on Feb, 8 2012 @ 09:22 AM
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Hilariously, we'd probably see even more voting machines under a Paul Presidency as they're the preferred business solution. Another job a business could do better than government.



posted on Feb, 8 2012 @ 09:28 AM
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reply to post by VitriolAndAngstYou're right, we shouldn't 'have' to trust the system when there IS so much at stake. Just the possibilty of tampering is justification for elimination of electronic voting. I've never been in favor of any form of terrorism, but destruction of these machines would be justified.
 



posted on Feb, 8 2012 @ 09:37 AM
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Originally posted by VitriolAndAngst

Originally posted by THE_PROFESSIONAL
reply to post by eLPresidente
 


WOW, Oh WOW, they refused to count infront of everyone!!
Oh MY GOD if that does not put up a red flag for fraud I do not know what does.

Pitchforks - check
Torches - check
Guns - check
Angry citizens - check.



Her resignation is NOT ENOUGH. What the media and the public need to address is HOW WAS SHE ABLE TO RIG THE ELECTION? Some candidate cannot do it without help. We need to find the systemic weaknesses that were used.

My guess is that the ability to electronically flip the vote is widespread and pervasive -- NO voting machines are safe and they were put in place for the express purpose of rigging the vote. While punch cards are often manipulated by sending the cards to a different voting zone (some design these so candidate A and B are switched at another pole center, so that if you send punch cards from area 1 to area 2, they are correctly tabulated but with the opposite candidate).

We have to bring back hand-checked voting and random pole surveys (which were within less than 1% of the actual vote for the history of their use, right up until the shenanigans of Bush's election in 2000 -- then they were banned). Canada does this -- they have three witnesses for every ballot that gets registered as a valid vote.

There was no cost savings from the electronic voting machines (in most cases, they cost 10x what our previous punch card system cost) -- it was all a huge lie. Like the Patriot Act being written before the attacks, it was a solution in search of a problem.



>> If you want to protest -- rip out those damn black box voting machines. There has been election fraud in the past -- but the electronic age has made it easier and harder to prove. You shouldn't HAVE to trust the corrupt election system because there is too much at stake.


How about we forget voting altogether since it's rare to find any adults worthy to run the system? We could rotate alphabetically the office of POTUS. Let the governors for each state take turns leading the nation based alphabetically. 6 months on, then the next state.

Sounds good to me.



posted on Feb, 8 2012 @ 09:42 AM
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How would one go about obtaining such proof? It isn't as if those counting votes in secret are going to come out and admit to doing so


Use the logic you have as a human being and realize that if votes are being re-counted in SECRET there could more than likely not be voter fraud be occurring.

Anakark



posted on Feb, 8 2012 @ 09:45 AM
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Originally posted by captainnotsoobvious
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None of those links, except the last one where one guy in an election unrelated to Ron Paul was convicted to doing things OTHER than rigging votes, have any actual proof of anything in them.

One of them is some old lady saying people were voting for Ron Paul. So what? Of course people did. Just not enough for him to win.

The Paultards are DEF extremely paranoid. Even the candidate himself says these votes are fair and accurate... I guess he's also in on it...


So be it, but the bigger point of all this is that there is election fraud. It happened in the past, it's probably happening right now under our noses and I'm willing to bet it will happen in the future. I don't think I need to provide any links for us to know election/voter fraud has been discovered... it's been covered enough. Anyway, nothing is going to happen in the meantime. We, the people, are not in control at the moment. And I believe we won't gain control until the inevitable breakdown of the economy, this is when people will be forced to wake up and then and only then will change be possible. Our government has been infiltrated and corrupt for far too long and methodically for us to be able to change anything at this point, IMO.

Outkast - if you read my previous post or care in the slightest, I was just poking fun. I don't give a rat's a$$ what you think or say, as it doesnt affect me one iota and I'm positive the opposite is true as well.

Peace be with you.
edit on 8-2-2012 by six67seven because: GO RON PAUL!



posted on Feb, 8 2012 @ 09:56 AM
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Wow! by reading the comments on this thread it's apparent that some people still believe there actually is separation/difference in party lines.


Pick a side, and hold firm, since they truly represent your causes and ideals.

If that's the case, the Easter Bunny is coming soon and will bring you a really big basket, with a big chocolate bunny.



posted on Feb, 8 2012 @ 10:04 AM
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It's even more delusional to think there's no difference. Would Gore have invaded Iraq?



posted on Feb, 8 2012 @ 10:07 AM
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Originally posted by dillweed
reply to post by VitriolAndAngstYou're right, we shouldn't 'have' to trust the system when there IS so much at stake. Just the possibilty of tampering is justification for elimination of electronic voting. I've never been in favor of any form of terrorism, but destruction of these machines would be justified.
 




At some point it's going to get to a "Declaration of Independence" event. At some point it is self defense.

When we look at how our economy -- for the middle class at least -- was intentionally sabotaged (and I could write a few books or point to a hundred articles backing that up), and that much of the damage was MADE LEGAL -- we have to realize that at some point "law abiding" only works if the will of the governed is being heard.

When Bush left office, some people felt that things would get better. But the same Goldman Sacks crooks who ran us into the ground get appointed to the Fed and top oversight positions. I can point to numerous industry insiders, who end up being in charge of "watch dog" -- and it's the same with Dems as it is with Reps.


>> Why would an actual system designed to register the intent of voters CARE that who wrote your vote in? It's because the SYSTEM is designed to give you the vote that Wall Street and Robber Barons want. The biggest sell-out who can keep the people calm gets the job.

The only difference between Newt and Obama -- other than Newt being the worst history teacher Georgie ever belched out -- is "style". Obama signed the NDAA bill that makes the Constitution null and void, and Bush or Gingrich would have signed it. Would Ron Paul? I don't know.

Regardless of whether I like Ron Paul's politics or ideas -- it doesn't matter. You losing your vote for YOUR choice of candidate is a violation of me and everyone else.

>> It definitely is time to bring out the torches and pitchforks and burn some electronic voting machines. Of course, unless you get about 200,000 people to join you, it will be "domestic terrorism." It's just a mistake when the FDA covers up for a drug that kills a few thousand people -- but a Citizen fighting back is Terrorism.

Don't think ANY of those laws were designed for Bin Laden -- we already HAD all the legal framework to deal with any terrorist threat as long as the Pentagon wasn't falling asleep counting the trillions it misplaced.



posted on Feb, 8 2012 @ 10:22 AM
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FIRST, you'd have to gain some control of the political system to implement your Governor as POTUS plan. So right there; if you cannot elect the candidate with the MOST VOTES -- no change is going to take place.

Do I need a SECOND POINT?
Well, if you ever did have a rotating presidency, it would be hell on continuity. 2 months of Rick Perry saying NO TAXES sends a wrench into revenue shortfalls and we borrow like crazy on short-term high interest. The Next Month a SANE President takes office, and has to over-correct by raising taxes even higher.

You could imagine the firings of all the Federal Prosecutors and the Hirings every two months.

No, 4 years is the right amount of time -- we just need public financed campaigns and to follow Canada's system of honest voting and campaign finance reform.

>> Right now, we look like a banana Republic. The FBI is too busy hunting down copyright infringers and could ONLY catch Martha Stewart for getting a bad stock pick. The FDA runs cover for drug companies. The CIA kills union organizers and bogus false flag events. The MILITARy works for Big Oil. The Fed works for Big Banking. The EPA is headed by an ex coal lawyer.

Do I need to go on? Things are FUBAR and if there were an alien invasion, they'd only have to bribe the right people and there would be no problem with our three branches of government if they sucked out half the countries brains -- much quicker than letting Ely Lilly and Monsanto screw with our food.



posted on Feb, 8 2012 @ 10:23 AM
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Originally posted by captainnotsoobvious
reply to post by VitriolAndAngst
 


Hilariously, we'd probably see even more voting machines under a Paul Presidency as they're the preferred business solution. Another job a business could do better than government.


Well, I don't necessarily disagree with you.... But I think we need to be EMBRACING Ron Paul supporters right now -- they are getting screwed the way Democrats and Progressives got screwed in 2000 in Florida, Ohio and a few other states (no, it wasn't just Florida -- Gore won by a landslide).

Al Gore didn't stand up enough and fight it -- his noble decision was the wrong one. Unless he realized that Bush would be doing the same PR job that he would, and that we'd be invading Iraq regardless of the President that is -- he should have realized what a total bastard and punk that Bush was.

The ONLY reason I'm voting for Obama is that Gingrich and Romney fit the profile and are even bigger megalomaniacs than Bush was.


>> Ron Paul might be correct twice a day like a stopped watch -- but he is also the WILL OF THE PEOPLE as far as Conservatives/Libertarians go. Once he is in office, will he be aligned with the status quo like Obama and Bush were? Who knows, but maybe he might shake things up.

Yes, his privatization and Business solutions everywhere coupled with MANDATORY federal abolition of abortion and the stated desire to pull all troops everywhere in the world back to the US is pretty crazy. But I also think the Status Quo is the worst thing. We are being turned into indentured servants in this country.

If Ron Paul brings the economy crashing down -- it will come down on the heads of the wealthy and the poor -- if we continue on the way we've been going, the economy will grind the middle class into a pulp... that's my future right now.



posted on Feb, 8 2012 @ 10:29 AM
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I dont think Dr. President Ron Paul can come right out and say there was voting fraud. If he did publicly there will be the "Conspiracy" backlash which I think hurt him a little bit in 2008. People just cant believe our Government would commit any crime even though there is an abundance of proof over the years. He will let his "followers" (love the posts on this site referencing anybody who supports Ron Paul as a Follower) do that for him. So, just like others have said, stay at your Polling station and make sure they count the votes in front of you and video tape it. That is really the only way to at least bring some light to the issue. The Press wont listen to it just like the hanging chad problem in Florida. It will be looked at for about 2 or 3 nights than Iran will say something and all of a sudden its gone. Wake Up People.....there is still a lot of delegates and States left so keep up the good work. Were all counting on each other to get this Country heading in the right direction.

Post above me: "If Ron Paul brings this Economy down"....it is already in the worst shape it has been in the last 50 years so I dont think your premise is correct. How can he bring it down any further than it already is?? If we would of made the changes he spoke about 10 years ago we wouldn't be in this Economic crises we are in right now. So if anything, the corrections to the Market would happen much quicker if he was elected and we can return this Country back to a hard working self sufficient USofA.
edit on 8-2-2012 by hoochymama because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 8 2012 @ 10:31 AM
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Do I need to go on?



I never said I gave it more than a passing thought. But what I do know for sure is I have zero trust in the current system. Nor respect for any elected official.



posted on Feb, 8 2012 @ 10:55 AM
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Yep, the system exists the way it does so they have the control over it. Been going on for years and will never change. I dont vote because it's all a fix.



posted on Feb, 8 2012 @ 11:21 AM
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Hi,
Don't want too, say much,, but,,,,,
there is one thing ,,that just is bugging the
f outta me,,and it aint frig,,,


"Dr. President Ron Paul",,,ARGHgggggggg

It's ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,President, Dr. Ron Paul.,,,,,,,,,,,,,,



thats it,, nothing much,,
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A nut ,,

me.



posted on Feb, 8 2012 @ 11:25 AM
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I just think being a Doctor is more important so the Dr. goes first. Either way, as long as President is in there somewhere we will be good to go.



posted on Feb, 8 2012 @ 11:35 AM
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Yeah, like there wasn't massive voter fraud and intimidation during the last election that favored Obama or anything.



posted on Feb, 8 2012 @ 11:39 AM
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Amy Tarkanian announced her resignation back in early January and said at that time that her resignation would be effective February 5. She resigned to help her husband in his campaign to run for Congress.

www.republicansin.com...

It's kind of hard to tie this resignation into any allegations of voter fraud given this fact.



posted on Feb, 8 2012 @ 11:41 AM
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Originally posted by captainnotsoobvious
reply to post by Vitchilo
 


I think a more fair title would be, "Republicans love to cheat to win". Look at the fact, this is a pretty one-sided phenomena. From Robocalls to voter suppression to ""negro baby" leaflets, and on and on....

Not that Dems don't occasionally engage in these tactics, but not at anywhere near the frequency.

The funny thing is, Paul stands by these results. And most of you Repubs will, even knowing this stuff, still vote for the GOP candidate.

Funny stuff.


Right because ACORN wasnt implicated and PROVEN to be doctoring votes and ballot fraud in multiple states, when Obama was running right?

Perhaps you should do your homework, theres more then OCCASIONAL occurrences.....it happens regularly on BOTH sides........

people are just noticing more because they are actually paying attention



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