February 7th Primaries/Caucuses ( MN, CO, MO )

Originally posted by KonquestAbySS
reply to post by OutKast Searcher

 

What like shrink our Government and get rid of things like the Department of education? If anything our educational system sucks anyways. So why do we even need a Department of Education?

So your logic is that our educational system is poor even with government funding...so it will be better without it???

I hope you live in a rich area...because those are going to be the only schools worth a damn if Paul gets his way.

I don't see how creating a system where the poor and middle class will get less education and the rich will continue to provide good education for their kids makes sense.

Please don't tell me that you think the rich are just going to allow the poor to attend their well funded schools.

reply to post by OutKast Searcher


Hey Outkast! Just curious to hear your thoughts on Rick Santorum. How does he barely get 10% on Saturday, yet get near 50% in 3 states on Tuesday?

Originally posted by mossme89
reply to post by OutKast Searcher

 

Hey Outkast! Just curious to hear your thoughts on Rick Santorum. How does he barely get 10% on Saturday, yet get near 50% in 3 states on Tuesday?

Because they are different states...different issues...different demographics.

The only real surprise was in Colorado. Santorum had been polling well in MN and MO already...and Romney didn't really campaign in either state. The MO primary was completely meaningless.

I honestly think it says more about Romney than it does about Santorum. Romney is going to have an issue in middle America. He is an East Coast rich guy...midwesterners don't really relate to that type very well.

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher

Originally posted by mossme89
reply to post by OutKast Searcher

 

Hey Outkast! Just curious to hear your thoughts on Rick Santorum. How does he barely get 10% on Saturday, yet get near 50% in 3 states on Tuesday?

Because they are different states...different issues...different demographics.

The only real surprise was in Colorado. Santorum had been polling well in MN and MO already...and Romney didn't really campaign in either state. The MO primary was completely meaningless.

I honestly think it says more about Romney than it does about Santorum. Romney is going to have an issue in middle America. He is an East Coast rich guy...midwesterners don't really relate to that type very well.

Mitt Romney is out of touch.

He is the perfect richest 1% poster boy for David Axelrod.

The solution is clear. Deny Axelrod his poster boy and choose Newt or Santorum.

I hope Santorum gets plenty of $$$ donations off of this sweep of Colorado,

Missouri and Minnesota.

reply to post by Dasher


I didn't exclude anytthing, because I don't think there is any voter fraud going on. Ron Paul is not a popular candidate with the majority of voters. I'm sorry that's so hard to understand. He has his following, but he isn't going to get a sudden surge beyond what he already has. Let me put it this way; he is from Texas and I promise that without any voter fraud, he will not win the Texas primary. He probably won't come in second. He might not come in third.

The typical Ron Paul supporter: "I love ROn Paul. I hope he gets in their and tears the government down!"
"I hope he closes all the overseas bases and kills the DOE, EPA, TSA, blah, blah, blah"

Me: "So you are voting for Ron Paul?"

The typical Ron Paul supporter: "Who, me? No, man I don't vote. The system is rigged." "Besides, if I registered to vote, the government could track me."

Support does not equal votes. Not yesterday, not today, not tomorrow.

Originally posted by usernameconspiracy
reply to post by Dasher

 

I didn't exclude anytthing, because I don't think there is any voter fraud going on. Ron Paul is not a popular candidate with the majority of voters. I'm sorry that's so hard to understand. He has his following, but he isn't going to get a sudden surge beyond what he already has. Let me put it this way; he is from Texas and I promise that without any voter fraud, he will not win the Texas primary. He probably won't come in second. He might not come in third.

I agree. I think that we who spend a lot of time on ATS get into this mindset where we think, "Well, everyone's voting for Paul!! Why is he not winning?" But if you get out into the world you find that he is really, really radical, and that in comparison to the other Republican candidates, he's just as bad for the poor and middle class and just as great for business. In my economics class yesterday, we read "Rationale for the Market Economy" by John Kay, who made the point that being "pro-market does not mean pro-business." Paul is very pro-business, not horribly pro-market. So anyways, that said, I have to go to class, but Ron Paul does not have as big of a following as we on ATS believe he has, since most people here support him and that's all we read.

reply to post by OutKast Searcher

So your logic is that our educational system is poor even with government funding...so it will be better without it???
I hope you live in a rich area...because those are going to be the only schools worth a damn if Paul gets his way.
I don't see how creating a system where the poor and middle class will get less education and the rich will continue to provide good education for their kids makes sense.
Please don't tell me that you think the rich are just going to allow the poor to attend their well funded schools.

Ok, seriously you took the word "poor" out of complete context. You used it as a wealth classification, and then you jump to being rich as if I was talking about wealth classes? I didn't mention anything about being rich, or rich in general.
Then you continue to rant on about the wealth classes? I said nothing about wealth classes I was talking about the Department of Education and how it "poorly" manages the educational system in general. Don't think for one second I was trying to dodge your poor comeback since I barely replied back. Try again Outkast

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Gotcha. He might come across as bigoted to them.

Just curious, but if there is a brokered convention, what do you think of someone like Jeb Bush possibly getting the nomination? He would probably go up against Obama better than Romney but his last name and brother could hinder him.

Btw, for the record, if Paul doesn't get the nomination, I'll probably vote for Obama.

reply to post by KonquestAbySS


Yeah...re-read my post. I am also using "poor" in two ways.

But nice dodge...you even tried to pre-empt your dodge by saying you aren't dodging.

Originally posted by Eurisko2012

The solution is clear. Deny Axelrod his poster boy and choose Newt or Santorum.

I hope Santorum gets plenty of $$$ donations off of this sweep of Colorado,

Missouri and Minnesota.

I think you just doomed both Santorum and Newt! Your posts are the grimm reaper of GOP Nominees!

Originally posted by Eurisko2012

The choice is clear.
Yank out the socialist Obama and elect the super capitalist Sarah Palin!
The USA runs on high octane capitalism!

edit on 26-5-2011 by Eurisko2012 because: (no reason given)

Originally posted by Eurisko2012

Cash is now pouring into the Herman Cain campaign.
I think even Bill Clinton is laughing. That's it? That's the best you can do?

Now even MORE people know who Herman Cain is!

Join the party! Hop on the Cain Train!

Originally posted by Eurisko2012

Because Newt has momentum.

Watch the debate tonight on CNN and watch Newt conquer the whole race.

reply to post by OutKast Searcher

you even tried to pre-empt your dodge by saying you aren't dodging.

Just in the sense that I couldn't reply back in such a short time do to other things I have outside of the ATS realm, I didn't want to boost your ego to think I wasn't going to comeback.

Originally posted by mossme89

Just curious, but if there is a brokered convention, what do you think of someone like Jeb Bush possibly getting the nomination? He would probably go up against Obama better than Romney but his last name and brother could hinder him.

Jeb is being groomed to take over after Obama finishes his second term.

Originally posted by mossme89
reply to post by OutKast Searcher

 

Gotcha. He might come across as bigoted to them.

Just curious, but if there is a brokered convention, what do you think of someone like Jeb Bush possibly getting the nomination? He would probably go up against Obama better than Romney but his last name and brother could hinder him.

Btw, for the record, if Paul doesn't get the nomination, I'll probably vote for Obama.

Well, I guess that is one vote Obabo can count on

The family name worked well with the Adams and Roosevelts.

On a serious note, I really don't see Ron Paul winning anything. Why vote Obabo in for another four?

reply to post by OutKast Searcher


The DOE is a complete failure, we're funneling money into it and it is not doing anything for us, so getting rid of it may not be a bad idea. Ron Paul's stances tend to make sense if you think long term, but if you want short term, superficial gratification he's not your guy.

For example, his stance on federal student loans would force many current students to drop out of college and make it very hard for recent high school graduates to attend college, but would bring college costs down to an affordable amount within a few years, thus preventing people from going up to $160k in debt just to get a degree.

Schools in low income neighborhoods are garbage anyway, but the blame on that lies both in the students and the teachers. If the students don't want to learn, we can't teach them; if the teachers suck, the students won't receive a very good education. Education in America is currently a joke, there's another thread on ATS about how the average high school student doesn't know anything in regards to American history; British and Chinese students know more about our history than our current generation of brain-rupt high schoolers.

I just don't see what the point is in keeping the DOE alive if it serves no beneficial purpose. We need to cut spending, badly, so why not trim the fat and get rid of useless departments?

Originally posted by Chalupas
Well, I guess that is one vote Obabo can count on

The family name worked well with the Adams and Roosevelts.

On a serious note, I really don't see Ron Paul winning anything. Why vote Obabo in for another four?

Let me say I'm not an Obama supporter. But the GOP field outside of Paul quite frankly scares me. Santorum and Gingrich want WWIII, and Romney creeps me out and changes his positions more often than he changes his underwear.

Again, I feel like I'd be voting for the lesser of 2 evils. -___-

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If there is a brokered convention...I think you will see some interesting characters come out wanting the nomination.

I'm thinking Donald Trump, Herman Cain, Sarah Palin, and Michelle Bachmann will all make a case for the nomination.

I think there will be calls for Chris Christy, Marco Rubio and Jeb Bush...but not sure if any of them would accept. They would be walking into a fractured GOP with the good possibility of the current candidates supporters just protesting the nominee because he didn't get in by their votes.

It will be a mess if there is a brokered convention.

Originally posted by Eurisko2012

Originally posted by 8fl0z
reply to post by OutKast Searcher

 

Paul supporters see the obvious corruption in the eyes of all the other candidates...Paul is the only one who wants to change anything for the better of the nation. The other candidates dont even know the freaking constitution!

You do realize america is FU*KED. Im 16 years old, and to be honest, i see no future for my generation, not even myself. The system is broken, and is only getting worse, every other frontrunning candidate besides Paul will only make it worse, with their greed, corruption, and personal agendas...

The USA will look a lot better by the time you are 18 years old.

You should be thinking of a good career path right now.

The only person holding you back is yourself.

I don't know that America will look better in two years, but I do know you are right to encourage him to think of a good career path, as there is nobody who will make a better life for him than himself. Ron Paul's policies would only make it easier over the long run.

reply to post by OutKast Searcher


The president has little power to change much domestically. He is our commander in chief, however, and the biggest thing Ron Paul will effect is our foreign policy. As for the shrinking of our government to a more manageable level and boosting our economy, that has more to do with congress. To say he will get rid of unconstitutional programs like Medicare and SS is to say he is in favor of political suicide and he has stated that he would NOT do this. What he would do is take the trillions spent on our foreign policy and spend it on national defense and funding those social programs, which are currently bankrupt.

The Jewish owned media likes to put words in his mouth. He can get rid of our debt, balance the budget and get us back to sound money. That would go a long way toward improving things here domestically, especially for the middle class.

There is a difference between national defense and a foreign policy based on military occupational interventionism, which insights hated toward the U.S. and does little to prevent terrorism here at home.