What evidence, besides shaky eyewitness accounts, is there these craft ever reached such high speeds? People are very poor observers.
Originally posted by Blue Shift
...yet each one of them describes something significantly different than the others...So either the fundamental configuration of the object changes, or the object is appearing differently to each officer due to their individual perceptions.
And when Betty and Barney Hill saw their UFO, one of the crewmen appeared to be wearing a Nazi swastika armband.
Are you suggesting that aliens have been recruited by the Nazis?
Originally posted by fleabit
Why do you consider it shaky eyewitness testimony? Could you please divulge exactly what it was about the witnesses which causes you to believe their accounts were not accurate? Or are you using a generalization - since it's a UFO, it automatically becomes shaky evidence?
"The behavior of these Triangular aircraft does not conform to previous patterns of covert deployment of unacknowledged aircraft"
"We were asking the Americans, 'Are you operating a prototype aircraft in our airspace?' That, of course, was nonsense. You simply would not do that from a diplomatic and political point of view. It would undermine the entire structure of NATO if you were putting things through someone else's airspace, particularly a close ally, without seeking the proper diplomatic clearance. But we had to ask. And the Americans, having had similar reports, I guess, since the Hudson Valley wave [New York state, mid-1980s], had been quietly asking us if we had some large, triangular shaped object that could go from 0 to Mach 5 in a second. Our response was that we wished we did. This was the bizarre situation: that we were chasing the Americans, and the Americans were chasing us."
Nick Pope - Head of the "UFO desk" at Air Secretariat 2-A, British Ministry of Defence
Originally posted by zarp3333
I found the most interesting part to be the courage and maturity displayed by the officers who at HuGE risk to their careers, spoke honestly and candidly. Contrast that to the more common reaction of outright laughter, derision and conditioned ignorance displayed by somebody at the police station command center heard in the background.
The men who were involved in this incident suffered for it. They were hounded by the media and ridiculed by others. Buchert and Neff stopped talking about the incident to anyone. Panzenella received so many phone calls about the incident that he finally had his phone disconnected. Huston quit the police department and moved to Seattle, Washington, where he became a bus driver, changing his preferred name from Wayne to Harold. Spaur's life was ruined. He was hounded even worse than the others. He began to have personal problems that culminated in his arrest for the assault and battery of his wife. He turned in his badge and made a meager living as a painter. His wife divorced him.
"If I could change all that I have done in my life, I would change just one thing. And that would be the night we chased that damn thing. That saucer."
*Above BlueBook* - Ohio UFO Chase , Portage County April 17, 1966
The Police Officer UFO Witness
Why is the police officer considered a special witness to UFOs? Why are police officers important to the investigation of UFOs?
Originally posted by chaztekno
Originally posted by draknoir2
reply to post by karl 12
My father witnessed the same thing in the same area around the same time, as did a couple of close friends. My father is retired military and a retired police officer and not prone to exaggeration. Personally I think it's very real, and very terrestrial. Stealthy airship with exotic propulsion would be my guess.
No blimp can do 7200 miles per hour.mph exotic engine or not, nice try for the 'its one of ours, dont worry folks' and your fathers credibility was never in doubt.edit on 7-2-2012 by chaztekno because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by TemplarScribe
After seventy-plus years of ever-stranger observations, we should be ready to start accepting the more challenging possibilities.
Eyewitness testimony has always been unreliable, that's why you get conflicting accounts of the same event. I have no doubt the truck driver and the officers saw a big triangular object moving through the air. But remember, the officer didn't actually see the object move at high speed. That part is a guess based on observations (perceived time and distance) we know to be unreliable. In my opinion a good part of the UFO mystery has been created by researchers that take such observations at face value and present it as the truth. Good researchers put a disclaimer on things that can't be verified and offer possible scientific explanations why an observation might be wrong.
Originally posted by Lowneck
Just add this link about a new witness to to an excellent karl 12 thread on one of the top ten.
Apologies if the link has already been added to another thread on Illinois 2000.
MUFON Case 40861.
"He stated that he was returning from a house fire in St. Clair, MO, at approximately 3 a.m. and was on I-44 Highway approaching Union, MO, when he heard law enforcement on the county police band radio discussing an unidentified object.The dispatcher said, 'Oh it's this Roswell stuff again' and that police were chasing the object."
"As the witness approached 50 Highway and 47 Highway he saw a large, triangular craft with lights pointing down over the Wal-Mart that was traveling at approximately 25-30 mph. The witness said that the very bright lights on the object pointed downward, but did not light up the ground, seeming to stop approximately 100 feet up.The craft was approximately 500 above the ground."
Police tapes, video, and the testimony of a radar operator suggest something very strange was seen over Ohio in 1994; Holland, Michigan in 1994; and Millstadt, Illinois in 2000.