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reply posted on 16-9-2004 @ 02:33 AM by brimstone735
Originally posted by Intelearthling
Should burning the flag be protected under free speech? Many a good men and women have given their lives so that the rest of us can fly it in front of our homes.

Did these brave souls sacrifice their lives so that some scum can burn it in defiance of the government? This isn't the governments flag. It's the American peoples. IMO, this shouldn't be classified under speech, since there aren't any spoken or written words in their actions!

I've always thought that if a person did this, they not only hate Americans, they are capable of inflicting injuries and/or death upon the citizens of America. This came to mind watching protests across the country and at the same time thought, should the people who participate in protests, who are not registered to vote, be charged with conspiracy to incite a riot?

IMO, people who don't vote, don't count! They couldn't have cared less at election time, so why should they care at any other time. To me, people who protest and don't vote are just a bunch of loud mouth's that needs to be shut up, because those who do paticipate in the elections don't want to hear it. We don't care what people, who don't vote, think one bit at all!



I'm glad the representative views of our armed forces are shared here. At least, the FreeRepublic's version. Yes, the above is the American brand of Fascism, brought live and living color by the good folks at the RNC. Where freedom means agreeing. Where liberty mean slavery. And, where truth and justice for all, means truth and justice for some...just so long as they agree with us.

No, I hope everybody takes a good, long look at your post and all of your other subsequent posts, so they can have rudimentary understanding of hatred and anger and insecurity in its most basic, most distilled form. Utterly repellent and completely insane, it's the blight that man has fought against since they began to walk upright.

Unfortunately, we'll never get rid of you and brothers. You're primal and you're here to stay. But, make no mistake, you are the depths of the soul, not the peak. You'll infect the daily discourse of the every day life of every person on the planet, until we're all dead. Then all you guys can dance a jig on the corpse of the world, drinking to its memory.

Because, only then will you be happy. When everything is flames and corpses of your enemies: the traitors, the hippies, the liberals, the democrats, and anyone else who doesn't agreee with you are crushed under your heels. Only then will you feel comfortable in your own skin. Guys like you are variations on the same theme. Replace the Iron Cross with the Sickle and Hammer, and then replace that with a Brooks Brothers suit.

Fascists and fundementalists are a threat to the living.


reply posted on 16-9-2004 @ 04:16 PM by Intelearthling
Originally posted by brimstone735
I'm glad the representative views of our armed forces are shared here. At least, the FreeRepublic's version. Yes, the above is the American brand of Fascism, brought live and living color by the good folks at the RNC. Where freedom means agreeing. Where liberty mean slavery. And, where truth and justice for all, means truth and justice for some...just so long as they agree with us.


Are we supposed to be free to bring down the morality of this nation or see to it's well being by adhering to the principles upon which this nation was founded? What you have describe above is a society that YOU may dream of, not me!

No, I hope everybody takes a good, long look at your post and all of your other subsequent posts, so they can have rudimentary understanding of hatred and anger and insecurity in its most basic, most distilled form. Utterly repellent and completely insane, it's the blight that man has fought against since they began to walk upright.


Why, thank you. Your words here are just so flattering. What rights should an American not have? Should they not have the right to critize people with the same beliefs as yours?

Unfortunately, we'll never get rid of you and brothers. You're primal and you're here to stay. But, make no mistake, you are the depths of the soul, not the peak. You'll infect the daily discourse of the every day life of every person on the planet, until we're all dead. Then all you guys can dance a jig on the corpse of the world, drinking to its memory.


Absolutely correct, brimstone! You'll never get rid of us because you'll never have the will to. It is the likeness of your ideology that wants to strip Americans of their rights. It is the likeness of you and your views that wants to take my rifles and shotguns out of my house so that you can have control and enter when you feel like it! When it is all over with, we'll be drinking, dancing the jig, and eating merrily to it's decadent memory, with great cheer! Oh, BTW, where's my bananas?

Because, only then will you be happy. When everything is flames and corpses of your enemies: the traitors, the hippies, the liberals, the democrats, and anyone else who doesn't agreee with you are crushed under your heels. Only then will you feel comfortable in your own skin. Guys like you are variations on the same theme. Replace the Iron Cross with the Sickle and Hammer, and then replace that with a Brooks Brothers suit.


Traitors? Hippies? Liberals? Are you considering these types of human-beings decent?
Is that you, John? Or is it Ted? I can't tell!

Fascists and fundementalists are a threat to the living.


Wrong. Fascism is a threat. Fundamentalism isn't. It's the ideology from the books that you have read and believe that is the real threat!


[edit on 16/9/04 by Intelearthling]


reply posted on 16-9-2004 @ 05:13 PM by NotTooHappy
Originally posted by Intelearthling
Should burning the flag be protected under free speech? Many a good men and women have given their lives so that the rest of us can fly it in front of our homes.

Did these brave souls sacrifice their lives so that some scum can burn it in defiance of the government? This isn't the governments flag. It's the American peoples. IMO, this shouldn't be classified under speech, since there aren't any spoken or written words in their actions!

I've always thought that if a person did this, they not only hate Americans, they are capable of inflicting injuries and/or death upon the citizens of America. This came to mind watching protests across the country and at the same time thought, should the people who participate in protests, who are not registered to vote, be charged with conspiracy to incite a riot?

IMO, people who don't vote, don't count! They couldn't have cared less at election time, so why should they care at any other time. To me, people who protest and don't vote are just a bunch of loud mouth's that needs to be shut up, because those who do paticipate in the elections don't want to hear it. We don't care what people, who don't vote, think one bit at all!


Are you from a place where they still fly the confederate flag? The first amendment protects a persons freedom of expression, as long as it doesn't physically hurt another person or their property.
I'm an American and, I'll treat the American flag however I want. Like Lary Flyntt said, "If the First Amendment will protect a scumbag like me, it will protect all of you."



Edit=I came off like an ass

[edit on 9/16/04 by NotTooHappy]


reply posted on 16-9-2004 @ 08:42 PM by taibunsuu
Originally posted by Intelearthling


I think you missed the point. Anyone who is low enough to burn something that a large percentage of the American holds in high regard is a spit in the face at these these people, and I believe they would have the morals of someone who could commit such crimes.



Spitting in someone's face is assault. Burning a flag as protest (in a way that doesn't set people on fire) is an act of free speech.

When I went to the anti-war protest in NYC on Feb. 15, 2003, as part of the Veteran's contingent, I had a US flag on a 10' polystyrene pole that was about 1/2" in diameter and weighed about 1 pound. Assembling in the Veteran's area six NYPD officers told me that I couldn't display it because the pole was considered a weapon. Not thirty feet from us was a guy in a McDonald's sandwich board carrying a McDonald's sign on an identical pole.

I pointed this out and their response was that he wasn't demonstrating. I said he's carrying a pole you consider a weapon. Well, he wasn't in the protest march and couldn't be considered dangerous! I said I'm carrying the US flag with the Veteran's contingent, you consider that dangerous? At this point I was facing arrest. I had to take the flag off the pole and they destroyed the pole, which demonstrated how stupid it would be to use it as some type of weapon because it bent and broke under the strength of one 5'1" female officer's arms.

I folded the flag into its triangle and carried it in my coat since there was no respectible way to display it.

The flag represents a dream. If you consider the dream dead, the flag is as meaningless to you as toilet paper. No one ever died for a flag, trust me. They died for the intangible things it represents. If someone wants to burn a flag, it's not something most people are going to like, myself included, for reasons too numerous to cite here. However, infringing on people's rights of speech, no matter how ludicrous the idea of speech, turns free speech into speech, and let's not go there.

Best way to keep people from burning the flag is by making sure the government doesn't do anything to stain it in the first place.
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