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reply posted on 7-2-2012 @ 10:15 PM by AGWskeptic
Originally posted by zorgon
Originally posted by piotrburz
Originally posted by 0bserver1
Here's a nice Graphic of the the drilling at Lake vostok,

Graphic Lake Vostok


I guess i'm genius
But really thanks for this animation, star for you!


Hello Herr Genius

Now that animation shows that...

Starting from a depth pf 3,500m and higher, ice moves at a speed of 3 meters a year on the surface


And since they started the current Hole 5G in 1993 that means the surface has moved 54 meters

So how did they keep that hole open with such lateral movement?


Look at the sat photos, it's surrounded by mountains.

It's like a giant bowl of ice, not going to move like ice on the Ross shelf.


reply posted on 8-2-2012 @ 10:07 AM by dashdespatch
according to wikipedia the magnetic anomaly measures just one microtesla

en.wikipedia.org...

which again according to them is the same strength as magnetic tape at the tape head

en.wikipedia.org...(magnetic_field)

im no scientist but it doesent seem very much does it?


reply posted on 8-2-2012 @ 08:13 PM by VitriolAndAngst
Originally posted by reficul
reply to
post by PhoenixOD



its the undiscovered bacteria and viruses that alarm me!
remember small px and indians,or t.b. and south america! what about the swine flu in the early 1900's?
or even maybe some lost alien,like in the x-files movie!!! (thats a stretch!) or maybe the remnants of atlantis!


Anything they might find down there as far as bacteria is concerned would;
1) be primitive compared to modern pathogens.
2) be adapted to a different ecosystem -- hence, not readily find a host on the surface.
3) mostly be contained by the immediate surroundings the Russians put it in.

>> That doesn't mean the Russians or anyone shouldn't take care -- but I doubt we've got to worry about any "horror movie scenario." The main problem is contaminating this ecosystem with external pathogens which could wipe it out in a few months. The other worry is the pressure and undermining the ice Plateau with quakes if they create a pressure differential (the ice above might collapse if air or water escapes too suddenly).


reply posted on 9-2-2012 @ 02:08 PM by stringman
here is my post from a similar topic.


Just some thoughts to consider:

Over the last year at Camp Vostok we have witnessed a change in the scientific procedures. The main change and concern has been the "Rush" to reach this subglacial lake. As scientists, I'm sure they would brush off this consideration as no problem at all. They would most likely respond by saying that they were now "super focused" not careless because we were so close. But along with the rush to be first, there is the nagging question of not considering the consquences. Scientists continue to be deluded by this elaborate line of bull#. That is, they are seeking to know the truth about nature and the origin of our species. But in reality, that is not what drives them. They are not driven by abstractions like the search for truth. If they were so inclined, they would never have left that borehole open to the elements until next year. In fact they would have never drilled into these unknown relms utilizing such crude techniques.

Let's face the facts. They are more preoccupied with accomplishments then they are with pure science. It seems that they have never stopped to ask if they should do this in the first place (drilling thousands of meters below frozen Antarctic tundra to open up an enourmous subglacial lake). Pure scientific discovery is always extremely aggressive and almost always changes the world afterwards. Scientific discovery usually results in the rape of the natural world. We leave behind scars in the earth, pollution in our oceans, radioactive waste, space junk and the list goes on.

According to press releases, the Russian team stated that they were able to pump out all the keresene and other solvents and that the lake water rushed up the well and froze forming a plug. Next year they plan on taking samples of the lake water. It seems to me that there are still alot of unasswered questions.
Such as;

1. Won't they have to re-drill into the lake water next year to launch a probe or take a sample?
2. Are they certain that they have not contaminated the site (above and below)?
3. Did they release any gases or other contaminents into the atmosphere?
4. What if they found life forms?
5. What if they found intelligent life?
6. Why was this lake buried so deep?
7. What if humans were not meant to touch or expose this lake to the surrounding environment?
8. Are they certain that the site is stable?
9. Could acess to this lake cause an environmental paradigm shift?
10. Will access effect the lake temperature and environment?

This is just a sample of the hundreds of questions that still remain unanswered.
I don't know about you, but I feel a little queasy about the unpredictability factor going on here.

Stringman


reply posted on 9-2-2012 @ 02:20 PM by jazz10
reply to post by zorgon



That is a MASSIVE comment!! How will people manage to explain that considering if the ice is shifting they would of had a hard time keeping hole open
2 Risk damage to drills even possibly snapping
3 Whats to say that they have not missed the mark?

Also another member mentions the mountains on all sides? Therefore where does any ice move to?

I dont know if this has been posted before but take a look at this article i posted to this post here it also mentions Hitler and other interesting things......i found it strange.


reply posted on 10-2-2012 @ 02:10 PM by PhoenixOD
reply to post by Anmarie96



The water was in a glass container and appeared yellowish in color. It carried a note that read, "Lake Vostok, more than million years old, depth 3,769.3 meters (12,365 feet), 5.12.11, Antarctic."

The Russian team had not been heard from for more than a week before the breakthrough was announced, raising fears for its safety. Temperatures were dropping below minus 40 degrees Celsius (minus 40 degrees Fahrenheit), and the clock was ticking before the onset of the Antarctic winter, when the temperature would get twice as cold.


Hmm , is this a bluff? I know there are two more teams working on getting though to the lake.

edit on 10-2-2012 by PhoenixOD because: (no reason given)

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