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Protocols of Zion and their relevance to world events

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posted on Feb, 6 2012 @ 05:32 PM
reply to post by Sachyriel

In fact, before the Okhrana got their hands on it, the French "original" was attributed to Machiavelli. It was a sort of political thriller called "The Confessions of Machiavelli," which itself was plagiarized from various French "penny dreadfuls."

posted on Feb, 6 2012 @ 05:35 PM

Originally posted by DJW001
reply to post by Sachyriel

In fact, before the Okhrana got their hands on it, the French "original" was attributed to Machiavelli. It was a sort of political thriller called "The Confessions of Machiavelli," which itself was plagiarized from various French "penny dreadfuls."

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posted on Feb, 6 2012 @ 05:52 PM
I think the relevance that this has to current events, is how powerful propaganda is.
The POZ is an excellent historical example.
The fact that it illustrates demonstrable machinations by 'evil' plotters, that seem to mirror both past and current events also make it worth the read.
It is tragic that propaganda can cause something like the holocaust, but even this is kind of hinted at in this document. I think what is to be gain from all this, is question everything, and certainly don't automatically believe stuff you read in ANY book.
Seems to me the no group of people is automatically innocent of manipulating public opinion for their benefit.

posted on Feb, 6 2012 @ 05:57 PM
reply to post by filosophia

You know if the protocols were written by the czars, or some french guy, since they are dead, it doesnt explain the relevance on world events today.

1) Ignorant presidents led by intelligent advisors
You wnat to tell me that there was no time in history when there were ignorant leaders? And smart advisors?
How about horse as member of senate? Or how about digging up the most fertile soil of a state and spreading it over half a Europe? Or killing all the sparrows? Does not sound stupid enough? As for led by advisors - tell me, who is/are the advisor who leads Obama. Because he changes them pretty often.
2) World wars and why they are fought.
Well - i allready asked you ,what country was the opposition to Evil elders in WW1? There were like dozen plus countries fighting each other. Russia , Britain,Japan ,Italy ,Japan and few others were monarchy and in Entente. Germany , Austro-Hungary Turkey and Bulgaria were a monarchy and in Central powers. France was republic and US was republic,both Entente.
Government type noit the reason. Relationship to Jews - in central power Germany and Astro-Hungary it was much much better then in Entente Russia - so not the reason. What was the reason to WW1 as it says in protocols?
And WW2 - who was oppostion? Anti-liberal Soveit Union or anti-Liberal Nazi Germany? What are the reasons to WW2 rather then world domination ambitions of Stalin and Europe-dominating ambitions of Hitler. What it says about WW2 in protocols? That when opposition to plans arises it is removed with universal war... Again, who is oppostion between two monsters?
What about Napoleon wars? Or other huge wars of history - who was oppostion of Alexander the Great?
3. Agents at the head of plots.

What? Sorry, i fail to understand it - you consdier that plots among Vikings were without people at the top?
Someone has to plan the plot. Any plot. It has to have people at the top. Try to plan trip with lots of friends, and you quickly discover that you need small group of people plotting what to take to have a normal camping with tents and food for all. Plots need planners at the head too.

posted on Feb, 6 2012 @ 06:23 PM
reply to post by filosophia

Copy Pasta

What also indeed is, in substance, a loan, especially a foreign loan? A loan is -- an issue of government bills of
exchange containing a percentage obligation commensurate to the sum of the loan capital. If the loan bears a charge of 5 per cent, then in twenty years the State vainly pays away in interest a sum equal to the loan borrowed, in forty years it is paying a double sum, in sixty -- treble, and all the while the debt
remains an unpaid debt

Comment se font les emprunts? par des émissions de titres contenant obligation de la part du gouvernement, de servir des rentes proportionnées au capital qui lui est versé. Si l'emprunt est de 5 p.c., par exemple, l'État, au bout de vingt ans, a payé une somme égale au capital emprunté; au bout de quarante ans une somme double; au bout de soixante ans une somme triple, et, néanmoins, il reste toujours débiteur de la totalité du même capital.

Original. In French. Google translator gives an idea about similarity. There are few other similar quotes but i do not speak French and it took me forether to find this one.
Its called:
by Maurice Joly.
It's about two very smart people with different ideology - one asks the other answers. Remove one of them and you'll get the same arrogant bwahaha Dr Evil style the protocols are written in.

posted on Feb, 7 2012 @ 07:15 AM

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by Cassius666
Some say the protocols of Zion are a forgery, others dont. Has the original of the protocols written in hebrew ever been produced?

Everything you need to know about the forgery ...

The so-called "Protocols of the Elders of Sion" were published in London in 1920 under the title of "The Jewish Peril." This book is a translation of a book published in Russia, in 1905, by Sergei Nilus, a Government official, who professed to have received from a friend a copy of a summary of the minutes of a secret meeting, held in Paris by a Jewish organization that was plotting to overthrow civilization in order to establish a Jewish world state.

Originally posted by filosophia
Or discuss the opening post of this thread.

We have. The question on the opening post - the relevance to world events.
Answer - it's a proven hoax and unreliable so NO RELEVANCE

edit on 2/6/2012 by FlyersFan because: (no reason given)

We have? From what you say, there is no original in hebrew merely a protocol written up by somebody who claims to have been at those session.

posted on Feb, 7 2012 @ 07:34 AM
reply to post by filosophia


Let me ask a question, are we are really letting Iraq have its own political freedom now, after spending trillions on the war? Of course not, it is just a puppet regime... right? Of course, it is.

Now let's extend this line of thinking to Iran... the CIA overthrew the Shah in 1953.

People, Iran is a puppet of the same elites. They are handed a script in a gigantic Satanic ritual to fulfill prophecy as magic. This will allow them control of the world, or so they think...

Isn't it so coincidental that all this is ratcheting up for the big "end of the world" 2012 scenario?

posted on Feb, 7 2012 @ 08:20 PM
Reading it now it appears that what is written there is coming to pass now. But if you look at currenty like liberalism, wasnt it popular already in the 1900s? There is talk of rigged elections, couldnt it have been, that there were suspicions of rigged elections at the time the protocols were written?

posted on Feb, 29 2012 @ 10:14 PM
The antisemitic nature of the Protocols are a deliberate cover for what they're really about:

posted on Feb, 29 2012 @ 10:41 PM
reply to post by blueorder

ahh finally,

something we both commie haters agree on,blueorder.

posted on Mar, 1 2012 @ 06:49 AM
Wait, posted wrong link earlier:

The Disinformation and Obfuscation in the Debunking of the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion
edit on 1-3-2012 by tombstonehand because: link not in link format

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