Protocols of Zion and their relevance to world events

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This thread is NOT about the Jewishness of the protocols and any relevance to Jews has been left out, so this thread is ONLY about the relevance of the text in a general sense on world matters. So if you think the protocols is a hoax then explain its relevance only, nothing Jewish or religiously oriented.

The administrators, whom we shall choose from among the public, with strict regard to their capacities for servile obedience, will not be persons trained in the arts of government, and will therefore easily become pawns in our game in the hands of men of learning and genius who will be their advisers, specialists bred and reared from early childhood to rule the affairs of the whole world

How much training did Obama have before coming to office as president? Two years as a senator? But his advisors Rahm and David Axlerod have a long political history. Bush was not the brightest flashlight on the toolbelt but Karl Rove was and still is a diabolical strategist and no one can deny Dick Cheneys ruthless ambition.

We must be in a position to respond to every act of opposition by war with the neighbors of that country which dares to oppose us: but if these neighbors should also venture to stand collectively together against us, then we must offer resistance by a universal war.

Wikipedia world war 1:

On 28 July, the conflict opened with the Austro-Hungarian invasion of Serbia followed by the German invasion of Belgium, Luxembourg and France; and a Russian attack against Germany. 

Austro Hungarian and Germany were neighbors, so a universal war was necessary because they could not attack from the hostile neighboring countries. World war 2 also follows the protocols also from wikipedia:

Although Japan was already at war with China in 1937,the world war is generally said to have begun on 1 September 1939, with the invasion of Poland by Germany, and subsequent declarations of war
on Germany by France and most of the countries of the British Empire

Japan was at war with its neighbor China, but when Germany began war, a world war was needed to stop the opposition. If Iran and Russia attacked America or Europe, do you think world war 3 would start? That would seem the case according to the protocols. Even though they are not neighbors, but neither were Japan and Germany, but they are allies, so a world war would be necessary.

A different quote describing controlled opposition:

. BUT IF THERE SHOULD ARISE IN ITS MIDST A PLOT, THEN AT THE HEAD OF THAT PLOT WILL BE NO OTHER THAN ONE OF OUR MOST TRUSTED SERVANTS

You may have heard of operation fast and furious and that Darrell Issa is the head of the investigation
www.huffingtonpost.com...

What you may not know is according to wikipedia Issa is the richest member of congress at over 300 million, more like a roman senator than a congressman. And since congress is allowed insider trading, as the richest member of congress he must be the biggest insider. Also you must ask why not one single person has been fired over the failed operation, perhaps because that is not part of the plan.

Economic war:

THIS HATRED WILL BE STILL FURTHER MAGNIFIED BY THE EFFECTS of an ECONOMIC CRISES, which will stop dealing on the exchanges and bring industry to a standstill. We shall create by all the secret subterranean methods open to us and with the aid of gold, which is all in our hands, A UNIVERSAL ECONOMIC CRISES WHEREBY WE SHALL THROW UPON THE STREETS WHOLE MOBS OF WORKERS SIMULTANEOUSLY IN ALL THE COUNTRIES OF EUROPE.

Doesnt this sound like the ecominc crisis of '08 and the following tea party protests in America and the more violent protests in Greece and the rest of Europe?

And if you are still not convinced of the relevance of the protocols, perhaps this passage is just for you:

Who will ever suspect then that ALL THESE PEOPLES WERE STAGE-MANAGED BY US ACCORDING TO A POLITICAL PLAN WHICH NO ONE HAS SO MUCH AS GUESSED AT IN THE COURSE OF MANY CENTURIES?

the only law that is real on this planet (from some certain level of course at peace time , and from no level at war time ) is
1 you kill a men you are a criminal
2you kill 10000 men you are a hero
3 you kill all the men kind you are a god .

Having read the protocols and knowing who was behind much of the history of the 20th century it would seem to me that there has been a plan long in progress controlling events.

Issa was also on the committee that oversaw the bankers (I forget exactly what committee) and he seemed to be asking tough questions. Earlier in his life he was a car thief and made his fortune in California selling car alarms

Sense of irony here? Nobody is going to jail over Fast and Furious.
ISSA FACT!

I don't get why people completely dismiss the Protocols because of the 'jewishness' as you put it. Yes, some people might use it to incite hate but the fact remains that every religion and race on the earth has some crazy members. You can't blame an entire religion nor race for something that a few members do.

I remember reading the Protocols and I agree. It definitely has relevance to what's happening in the world today. S+F for bringing it up again.

the jew(sanhedrin-illuminati) who run this site and NWO don`t like the thread !! ....reason for no post from enyone..be careful with the Protocols !! you are right but attention with conclusions ..

The so-called 'Protocols of Zion' are a proven hoax and therefore they have no relevance to world events.

Wikipedia

The Protocols of the Elders of Zion is a fraudulent, antisemitic text purporting to describe a Jewish plan for achieving global domination. It was first published in Russia in 1903, translated into multiple languages, and disseminated internationally in the early part of the 20th century. Henry Ford funded printing of 500,000 copies which were distributed throughout the United States in the 1920s.

Adolf Hitler and the Nazis were major proponents of the text: It was studied, as if factual, in German classrooms after the Nazi Party came to power in 1933, despite having been exposed as fraudulent years before. In the opinion of historian Norman Cohn, the Protocols was Hitler's primary justification for initiating the Holocaust — his "warrant for genocide.

Protocols - a literary forgery

'The Truth about the Protocols: A Literary Forgery'
By Philip Graves The Times of London August 16-18, 1921

Read the whole text at the link.

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You use the word 'Jew' three times in your first sentence to explain that the word 'Jew' is being left out of this discussion.

Originally posted by Asktheanimals
Having read the protocols and knowing who was behind much of the history of the 20th century it would seem to me that there has been a plan long in progress controlling events.

Issa was also on the committee that oversaw the bankers (I forget exactly what committee) and he seemed to be asking tough questions. Earlier in his life he was a car thief and made his fortune in California selling car alarms

Sense of irony here? Nobody is going to jail over Fast and Furious.
ISSA FACT!

Thanks for bringing to attention his role in the banking scheme, i did not know that but will be looking into it.

As for the detractors: calling it a forgery or hoax does not dismiss its relevance. And the second comment about my disclaimer containing the word jew, if a school posts a sign saying gun free zone does that mean
Guns are allowed because they show a picture of guns?

Regardless of the fact that this is a work of propaganda. The predictions seem to be spot on and quite bone chilling. Whomever compiled this work of 'fiction' should at least be credited with certain prophetic ability. I don't really trust any Cabal/Religion/Race not to seek out diabolical ways of world domination. Separatist ideologies, where one group is supposedly 'chosen by god' are in my mind a real threat to humanity at large.

reply to post by FlyersFan

The so-called 'Protocols of Zion' are a proven hoax and therefore they have no relevance to world events.

The "hoax" context depends on what the protocols are being compared to.

I think it has been verified that the words were actually written a long time ago.

It is not like someone is "claiming" it was written recently and backdated to reflect current events.

Has anyone ever seen an old copy of the manuscript ?

Many people seem to be afraid of this.

I saw a copy that was given to buyers of Ford cars in the 1920's.

It looked that old.

Originally posted by filosophia
:As for the detractors: calling it a forgery or hoax does not dismiss its relevance.

Why not? If something is a fake .. a phoney ... a hoax ... then it is untrustworthy and void of
information that can be trusted or used. So how exactly can this hoax 'relevant'??

Again .. I give you the information on it being a forgery and that it was just used as a
propaganda tool for the Nazis to exterminate the Jews.

Protocols - a literary forgery

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Hello my friends!

i dont know what you are see but from my point of view everything
is oposite black is white and white is black...thats how zionist work....!!!
nirvana and illusion,......


peace,
ekiusa

Who gives a flipper off of a dolphin if they are a hoax or not.

S O M E O N E is using them as a playbook.

And quite sucessfully it seems.


David Grouchy


"The world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by those who are not behind the scenes."
- Benjamin Disraeli

Even the Hebrews are trying to figure out who that is.

The entire history of the world is a record of war, economic crises and popular rebellion. The brilliance of the French plagiarist who cooked up this document is that his fictional villain claims that it is all by his own intentional design! The "Protocols" will continue to be relevant so long as people refuse to accept that war, economic crises and popular rebellion occur because people are fallible. They have conflicting interests, make bad economic decisions and grow restive when living conditions get bad enough.

Protocols were written by people who defended the monarchy and aristocratic way of life. Because the "heros" of protocols speak like bad villains from Hollywood movie, from every page there is "and then we will take over the world. Bwahaha" atmoisphere.
On your specific points:

The administrators, whom we shall choose from among the public, with strict regard to their capacities for servile obedience, will not be persons trained in the arts of government, and will therefore easily become pawns in our game in the hands of men of learning and genius who will be their advisers, specialists bred and reared from early childhood to rule the affairs of the whole world

Bwahaha (sorry, it just fits the text so well. I can imagine Minime somewhere there too).
Who exactly is trained in the arts of government? Show me one ruler that "was trained in art of government". Well, except kings of course.

We must be in a position to respond to every act of opposition by war with the neighbors of that country which dares to oppose us: but if these neighbors should also venture to stand collectively together against us, then we must offer resistance by a universal war.

Can't loose. There were always wars. Do you consider Venezuela a opposition? Because i fail to see the war with neighbors. I assume that you consider China or Russia opposition too. Where are my universal wars?
And if WW1 or WW2 is according to protocols i fail to see why. How it differs from Napoleonic wars or Monghol wars or all other huge wars? Because it was before protocols? Was Germany the oposition or Russia opposition or both? Because they kind of declared war on each other without anyone forcing their hand.

THIS HATRED WILL BE STILL FURTHER MAGNIFIED BY THE EFFECTS of an ECONOMIC CRISES, which will stop dealing on the exchanges and bring industry to a standstill. We shall create by all the secret subterranean methods open to us and with the aid of gold, which is all in our hands, A UNIVERSAL ECONOMIC CRISES WHEREBY WE SHALL THROW UPON THE STREETS WHOLE MOBS OF WORKERS SIMULTANEOUSLY IN ALL THE COUNTRIES OF EUROPE.

So first economic crisis happened only in 2008? How about early 20 century? Between WW1 and WW2. Oh ,its the protocols dudes. But what about earlier economical crisises? And where are simultaneous mobs of workers hating stuff? I see OCW guys but they are good...

Who will ever suspect then that ALL THESE PEOPLES WERE STAGE-MANAGED BY US ACCORDING TO A POLITICAL PLAN WHICH NO ONE HAS SO MUCH AS GUESSED AT IN THE COURSE OF MANY CENTURIES?

Bwahaha.
No really. Here it fits. Bwahaha, indeed. Say you are writing down how you will control the world. A handbook. Would you write THIS? Instead of:
"It is important that nobody should know about our evil plot. Maintain maximum caution cause our centuries old political plan have to be hidden. OK?"
No, it is written just as cheap villain would write it. Without bwhaha. Nobody will find about it, who would suspect it, centuries old. We are super smart and our plan is centuries old. Bwaha.. No ,strike it out.

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How much training did Obama have before coming to office as president? Two years as a senator? But his advisors Rahm and David Axlerod have a long political history. Bush was not the brightest flashlight on the toolbelt but Karl Rove was and still is a diabolical strategist and no one can deny Dick Cheneys ruthless ambition.

Obama may have some "training" in Chicago by the Saul Alinsky teachers.

When he was a boy, Frank Marshall Davis had an influence, as well as his Mother.

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by filosophia
:As for the detractors: calling it a forgery or hoax does not dismiss its relevance.

Why not? If something is a fake .. a phoney ... a hoax ... then it is untrustworthy and void of
information that can be trusted or used. So how exactly can this hoax 'relevant'??

Again .. I give you the information on it being a forgery and that it was just used as a
propaganda tool for the Nazis to exterminate the Jews.

Protocols - a literary forgery

Rather than addressing my post you bring up the hoax issue. Talk about the world wars, darrell issa, the control of puppet presidents by more educated advisors, etc. Dont just say its a hoax i heard that one before. Stick to the thread topic.

Now allow me to provide my own citations from that masterpiece and tell me how it is anything then simple attempt to show that monarchy and aristocracy is good while all liberalism ,communism,marxism,darwinism, Nietzsche (all that was popular among those who challeneged Russian empire monarchic archaic ways) was bad by using a boogeyman text.
Tell me, do you agree with:

Only one trained from childhood for independent rule can have understanding of the words that can be made up of the political alphabet
....
As you will see later, this helped us to our triumph; it gave us the possibility, among other things, of getting into our hands the master card -- the destruction of the privileges, or in other words of the very existence of the aristocracy of the goyim, that class which was the only defense peoples and countries had
against us. On the ruins of the natural and genealogical aristocracy of the goyim we have set up the aristocracy of our educated class headed by the aristocracy of money.

Sounds like great politcal plan. Obviously only aristocracy fits to rule. Megamind sees it and wants to destroy it.
It can't be written by officer of Russian empire trying to stop the anti-Monarchic movements in Russia.
Of course natural and genealogical aristocracy is best. Ask Caligula and Ivan the Terrible

The abstraction of freedom has enabled us to persuade the mob in all countries that their government is nothing but the steward of the people who are the owners of the country, and that the steward may be replaced like a worn-out glove.
It is this possibility of replacing the representatives of the people which has placed them at our disposal, and, as it
were, given us the power of appointment.

Again,does not sounds like written by proponents of Monarchy using the boogeyman tactics,at all.

There remains a small space to cross and the whole long path we have trodden is ready now to close its cycle of the Symbolic Snake, by which we symbolize our people.

Please, anyone. Show me where snake is symbolizes Jews. Anyone? On any painting, object? In any book? In eeevil Talmud? Snake is symbol of evil in Judaism. As in Christian Russia due to the same chapter in Genesis, so clearly -it is an early attempt to agitate people against evil reptilian Jews.

The aristocracy, which enjoyed by law the labour of the workers, was interested in seeing that the workers were well fed, healthy and strong. We are interested in just the opposite -- in the deminution, the killing out of the GOYIM. Our power is in the chronic shortness of food and physical weakness of the worker
because by all that this implies he is made the slave of our will, and he will not find in his own authorities either strength or energy to set against our will.

Yes, chronic shortness of food. All the workers are starved right now, obesety epidemics are Jewish media lies! Protocols are always right. It is,after all , centuries old plan. Bwahaha. And aristocracy is no longer there to feed you,mortals... And look how many have we killed .Bwahah - what? 7 billion??? Why nobody reported me? Number 2, you are fired!
All the book is promotion of monarchic ideas. I do not get how anyone fails to see it unless blinded by hatred or brain-dead.
I am not going to copy paste it all. It is too long and on almost every page it promotes the arisocracy and monarchy (via opposite to bad guy logic) as the only thing that can stop the villains writing that book.

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Rather than addressing my post you bring up the hoax issue. Talk about the world wars, darrell issa, the control of puppet presidents by more educated advisors, etc. Dont just say its a hoax i heard that one before. Stick to the thread topic.

Why? You just ignore the people that point out how ridiculous using the "Protocols" to explain things is.

Originally posted by DJW001
The entire history of the world is a record of war, economic crises and popular rebellion. The brilliance of the French plagiarist who cooked up this document is that his fictional villain claims that it is all by his own intentional design! The "Protocols" will continue to be relevant so long as people refuse to accept that war, economic crises and popular rebellion occur because people are fallible. They have conflicting interests, make bad economic decisions and grow restive when living conditions get bad enough.

History is a record of war, and in no uncertain terms the protocols says they are about ruthless suppression of the world. And yet you say this is not intentional? Wars take planning by adept minds not fallible minds. There is a lot of planning in even simple conflicts.

It is indispensable for our purpose that wars, so far as possible, should not result in territorial gains: war will thus be brought on to the economic ground

Iraq war did not result in territorial gains, but instead "brought on to the economic ground" in the form of trillions of dollars of debt.