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posted on Feb, 6 2012 @ 07:21 AM
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White Australians are constantly reminded that we should be sorry. Sorry that we are responsible for stealing the land of the Aborigine. Sorry for the 'stolen generation'. We are also told that we sprang from a colonial outpost that was used for dumping convicts. That may be true in an Obi Wan Kenobi kinda way but the Red Coats only sent them here because the American Revolution meant that they could no longer send convicts to America. Also by 1868, when transportation ended, fewer than 200,000 convicts had been brought in, whereas the total population was over 1,000,000. Far more free immigrants than convicts settled Australia. Why is it that Australia puts focus on the negative aspects of our history? We are told that we should be 'sorry',feel guilty,be ashamed.

There is alot in our history that should be celebrated. My favourite piece of Australian history is the Eureka Rebellion. I think what happened there personifies the Aussie spirit. Australians look out for each other and stand side by side for what is right and a 'fair go'.

I think Peter Lalor's speech from a stump gives me more pride than some Red Coat First Fleet.


Lalor mounted the stump and proclaimed “Liberty”. "Fellow diggers, outraged at the unaccountable conduct of the Camp officials, in such a wicked licence-hunt at the point of the bayonet as the one this morning, we take it as an insult to our manhood and a challenge to the determination come from the monster meeting yesterday. "Now I call on you to fall in to divisions of eighty men, according to your weapons, and to chose your captains from the best men among you. "It is my duty now to swear you in, and to take with you the oath to be faithful to the Southern Cross. Hear me with attention. The man who, after this solemn oath does not stand by our standard, is a coward at heart. I order all persons who do not intend to take the oath, to leave the meeting at once. (Many did leave) "Let all divisions under arms ‘fall in’, in their order round the flag-staff.".


Makes me want to storm Parliment House
We are anarchists not convicts. Once the comrades were organised he again mounted the stump and called --


"Comrades, assist me to pray for the safety of these men.Bless these men that go to fight for their rights and liberties. May Heaven shield them from danger I charge you to commit no violence to the peacably disposed. I will shoot the first man who takes any property from another except arms and ammunition and what is necessary for us to use in our defence. Now fall in comrades, and march behind our standard to the Eureka."


Peter Lalor should be a name every Australian knows. Why do we celebrate a criminal like Ned Kelly? More shame. We have a proud history and hero's worth celebrating.

I am tired of hearing about stolen land.I am tired of hearing about the 'stolen generation'. I am tired of hearing about the 'White Australia Policy'. If we must focus on things from the past lets focus on what is good. We should feel proud of our history not ashamed. I really hope that we all vote no on the upcoming referendum on changing our constitution. It is irrelevant and purley a distraction. All it will do is comfort do-gooders and Aboriginals. But it also serves to perpetuate our guilt and 'responsibility'. A no on the referendum will send a message to these do-gooders that enjoy heaping guilt on to us.

We should be proud of our history. There was alot of awesome things to be proud of.

en.wikipedia.org...




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posted on Feb, 6 2012 @ 07:37 AM
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Australia is finished. Just like America. Thank you Julia Gillard for ruining this country and sucking up to America's @$$ like it's that important to be like them. GG.



posted on Feb, 6 2012 @ 07:44 AM
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for those who are not tired of the truth and the very recent and horrible history of Australia;


Australia accused of genocide against aborigines



Between 1910 and 1970, up to 100,000 Aboriginal children were taken from their parentsand put in white foster homes. Many never saw their parents again.



Sir Ronald wrote his report after conducting an inquiry as president of Australia's Human Rights and Equal Opportunity Commission, the so- called "Stolen Generation" inquiry. Hundreds of Aboriginal adults, many in tears, told him their heart-rending stories of being taken by police and officials from their outback communities; of their mothers wailing and of their years of emotional - and sometimes physical and sexual - abuse at the hands of white officials and foster parents who were supposed to deliver them a better future.



The report said Australian policy involved genocide because it aimed to assimilate black children into the non-indigenous community so that their unique cultural values and identities would disappear and be replaced by Western cultural models.


www.independent.co.uk...

this is only a tiny snipet into how aboriginal people were treated and are being treated in Australia



posted on Feb, 6 2012 @ 07:49 AM
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I agree. Nobody seemed to notice when they slipped through th 'covered bond legislation' last year. Now we are linked to the whole mess that Europe is in. We are just further down the line.

And I agree about Gillard. She has turned a surplus into significant national debt. The mining boom wont go forever. There is always a bust. We should be planning for that instead of wasting money on labors ill-concieved failed 'schemes'. The only problem is that Abbott isnt much better. Brown is a leftist moron hypocrite and Katter is a redneck.

I do like some of Katters idea's though. One thing he wants to do is limit max market share of corporations. I think that is a great idea.



posted on Feb, 6 2012 @ 07:54 AM
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Originally posted by lacrimaererum
for those who are not tired of the truth and the very recent and horrible history of Australia;


Australia accused of genocide against aborigines



Between 1910 and 1970, up to 100,000 Aboriginal children were taken from their parentsand put in white foster homes. Many never saw their parents again.



Sir Ronald wrote his report after conducting an inquiry as president of Australia's Human Rights and Equal Opportunity Commission, the so- called "Stolen Generation" inquiry. Hundreds of Aboriginal adults, many in tears, told him their heart-rending stories of being taken by police and officials from their outback communities; of their mothers wailing and of their years of emotional - and sometimes physical and sexual - abuse at the hands of white officials and foster parents who were supposed to deliver them a better future.



The report said Australian policy involved genocide because it aimed to assimilate black children into the non-indigenous community so that their unique cultural values and identities would disappear and be replaced by Western cultural models.


www.independent.co.uk...

this is only a tiny snipet into how aboriginal people were treated and are being treated in Australia


Do you feel responsible?? What have you stolen from an aborigine?

And "are being treated" ??? Do you mean all the hand outs?? Affirmative Action jobs??? Special places at university? The grants?? They are on easy street.

Stop perpetuating the guilt. Whats with you liberals? Do you want to hate yourself? Does hating yourself bring you intrinsic rewards? Im interested.



posted on Feb, 6 2012 @ 07:59 AM
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Oh boo hoo, shall we all get together and help torture eachother for what happened in the past or can we get the fk on with our future?



posted on Feb, 6 2012 @ 08:00 AM
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this is only a tiny snipet into how aboriginal people were treated and are being treated in Australia


Aboriginals need to stop the victim culture. Pack up the tents at the tent embassy and have some respect for themselves. Some responsibility. Quit living in the past.

Malcolm X would be ashamed of them.



posted on Feb, 6 2012 @ 08:03 AM
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Originally posted by Garfee
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Oh boo hoo, shall we all get together and help torture eachother for what happened in the past or can we get the fk on with our future?


We agree on this one.



Simba: What was that for? Rafiki: It doesn't matter, it's in the past. Simba: Yeah, but it still hurts. Rafiki: Yes, the past can hurt, but the way I see it, you either run from it, or learn from it. [swings his stick at Simba again who ducks out of the way] Rafiki: Ah! You See? So what are you going to do?


The aboriginals need to talk to Rafiki



posted on Feb, 6 2012 @ 08:09 AM
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Originally posted by Garfee
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Oh boo hoo, shall we all get together and help torture eachother for what happened in the past or can we get the fk on with our future?


this future????




posted on Feb, 6 2012 @ 08:11 AM
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Originally posted by theubermensch

Originally posted by Garfee
reply to post by lacrimaererum
 


Oh boo hoo, shall we all get together and help torture eachother for what happened in the past or can we get the fk on with our future?


We agree on this one.



Simba: What was that for? Rafiki: It doesn't matter, it's in the past. Simba: Yeah, but it still hurts. Rafiki: Yes, the past can hurt, but the way I see it, you either run from it, or learn from it. [swings his stick at Simba again who ducks out of the way] Rafiki: Ah! You See? So what are you going to do?


The aboriginals need to talk to Rafiki



some people need to open their eyes to what is going on now. see post above for video



posted on Feb, 6 2012 @ 08:30 AM
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Originally posted by lacrimaererum

Originally posted by theubermensch

Originally posted by Garfee
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Oh boo hoo, shall we all get together and help torture eachother for what happened in the past or can we get the fk on with our future?


We agree on this one.



Simba: What was that for? Rafiki: It doesn't matter, it's in the past. Simba: Yeah, but it still hurts. Rafiki: Yes, the past can hurt, but the way I see it, you either run from it, or learn from it. [swings his stick at Simba again who ducks out of the way] Rafiki: Ah! You See? So what are you going to do?


The aboriginals need to talk to Rafiki



some people need to open their eyes to what is going on now. see post above for video


Do you actually have any opinions youself that dont involve a 20 minute video? I am not too interested in the liberal propaganda but I will assume the problem is poverty.
You are right. Poverty is a hard thing to break. I worked at an 'Aboriginal Homework Centre' for primary children as a tutor when I was younger. The school had many children that were disadvantaged. Many 'white' children from disadvantaged homes would have benifited from the 'Homework Centre' but the government funding was only for aboriginals. Do you really think that is fair? I think it is racist. I also think that it serves to make the aboriginal children feel different. It reinforces their victimhood complex that society gives them.

Do you really think tokenism and hand outs are a solution?

I think they are the problem.



posted on Feb, 6 2012 @ 08:36 AM
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It seems like the main problem is that the Australian government gives them money for free so they have no ambition to do anything on their own. They even called it "sit down money" in the documentary.

They should start a business involving tourists. Tourists would love to buy Aboriginal art/instruments and learn about their culture on a vacation. They need to empower themselves and stop collecting sit down money as a job.

But I don't know much about the situation because I live in the USSA and have never been to Australia.

There are so many race threads on ATS involving Australians. Can't everyone just get along?

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posted on Feb, 6 2012 @ 08:43 AM
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Originally posted by mnmcandiez
reply to post by lacrimaererum
 


It seems like the main problem is that the Australian government gives them money for free so they have no ambition to do anything on their own. They even called it "sit down money" in the documentary.

But I don't know much about the situation because I live in the USSA.

There are so many race threads on ATS involving Australians. Can't everyone just get along?

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I think you are right about the 'sit down money' for sure.



posted on Feb, 6 2012 @ 09:55 AM
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I was born in Oz, as was my parents and their parents before them, and before them. My earliest relative to Australia was a convict. It does not bother me.

I fly the Eureka flag at home, on my skin, and honour it as much as the national flag so many have died under in wars.

I am not responsible for what happened before my birth in Australia.

Yes I feel terrible about the atrocities that were committed before my birth, just as I feel saddened by what happened to native americans, or any other invaded race of peoples.

But I have to make my life, create my future, just as anyone has to no matter their skin colour.

It upset me going to University when I was paid a pittance in education assistance to study while an aboriginal friend was being paid three times that amount to attend an aboriginal college. Neither of us had wealthy families to pay for our education.. I had to work to live, my friend didn't.

It upset me that my aboriginal friend could go and get a brand new car, default after one payment and have the government pay the rest out for him.. meanwhile I was struggling to save for a cheap vehicle.. the same applies to housing loans for anyone who has the smallest percentage of aboriginal blood

It upset me to see the massive waste in every state of our country, where new government supplied vehicles are left to rot on the side of the bulldust roads if they ran out of fuel, or where perfectly good housing is wrecked to burn for firewood, or where 30 drunken men will congregate in a public park and abuse whites who pass by, etc.

It confused me that white people assign themselves as aboriginal with 7% blood.. and some for no reason other than to take advantage of the government's Positive Descrimination to get cheap housing loans, etc. Why would a person whose ancestry is more than 90% caucasian want to call themselves aboriginal?

I have had aboriginal friends.. and I have been attacked by aboriginals who did not know me because I was white. I have been called a racist because I am white.. not because I am, but because they believed all whites are.

I found that many aboriginals are far more racist towards whites than we are SUPPOSED to be towards them.

But.. I also note how a stone age culture cannot hope to bridge the technology gap in only 200 years after invasion. I think it excellent that tribes and families can still go and live on "their" land.. which I do understand has incredible significance to the aboriginal people.. something I found almost palpable when able to be on these lands without getting my teeth kicked in for it.

I do not think there is an easy answer, other than ensuring all Australians have equal rights and equal opportunity to develop their life as they wish... but none of us can really do that with absolute freedom anyway.

All I can see is that eventually we will all have to work together for a future. In only 20 to 30 years caucasian people born in Australia to Australian parents will be a minority just as the aboriginals have been.. and then we will all get to see how well we do in the same boat.

There will be no Positive Descrimination then.. there will only be discrimination against anyone not of Asian, Mediteranean or Middle Eastern heritage.. just as there is now and has been for decades in the enclaves and non-australian suburbs in all our cities where it is unsafe to walk if you are a white Australian.

I carry No Guilt for what came before me. I try to lead by example in my life. I treat all people the same way.. as fellow human beings no matter what colour their skin or where their ancestors came from.

I do wonder why Australia is singled out in the internatinal media as being Racist, having a horrific past in how we treated the native peoples.. when the exact same things occured in New Zealand and America, etc.



posted on Feb, 6 2012 @ 10:07 AM
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It upset me going to University when I was paid a pittance in education assistance to study while an aboriginal friend was being paid three times that amount to attend an aboriginal college. Neither of us had wealthy families to pay for our education.. I had to work to live, my friend didn't.


This is the stuff that upsets me the most.

I agree with everything you said. Thanks heaps for sharing


And I agree about the convict thing. There is no shame. It is funny that alot of Australians/others think the bulk of our nation were convicts when that isnt the case. But like you said,no shame. Most convicts were hardly criminals anyway.



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